Brandon Beane's Vision

[Mikie2times]

Hard to say how much McD impacted his decisions over the tenure. We do know Beane heavily influenced by Dave Gettleman time in Carolina. 

 

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article149822794.html 

 

With that, I wanted to dig in more to Gettleman's philosophy and draft history with the Panthers and Giants to see if it shed any insights on what to expect or what we have already seen with Beane. 

 

In about 99% of the articles on Gettleman you read about 3 things. Run, stop the run, and rush the passer. He was all about winning in the trenches and impacting the QB. Two of those three elements seemed to be heavily pronounced in our draft and FA acquisitions. We built the offensive line, we tried to bring in guys who could rush the passer, we did not try to defend the run.

 

In Gettleman's 9 drafts with the Panthers and Giants in the first 3 rounds

• 12 of 23 players were OL or DL  
• 4 of 23 players were WR or RB
• 4 of of 23 players were DB

 

Beane is going to focus on the trenches and I think we have already seen that. But what I think we haven't seen yet is more emphasis on a stout run defense. Carolina under McD and during Gettleman's tenure was actually pretty dominant defending the run. Top 10 finishes in 3 of 4 years with Lotulelei anchoring the middle. Gettleman preferred a bigger is better approach to lineman. When we talk about McD influence I think we see it most in DL composition. 

 

What is concerning, as you expected, is the WR position. 

 

Kelvin Benjamin, Devin Funchess, Kadrius Toney. Those are the WR picks Gettleman made in the first 3 rounds at Carolina and New York over 9 years.  He didn't seem to value the position and as we have seen, Beane doesn't seem to value the position. When those picks are made, more big body types. In addition, he passed on Allen, along with every other QB in that draft class and went with Barkley and then Daniel Jones the following year.

 

This is a truly old school football personality. Again, all things I think we have seen show up with Beane here. 

 

As for coaching, Kubiak is as trench/run focused an OC as anybody we could consider for our opening. Brady is also very run focused. I have to think it is more than likely one of those two at HC. Regardless of who it is, I'm fairly certain the recipe will remain similar. It will be win in the trenches and disrupt the QB. That part wasn't just McD, it was both of them. 

Edited January 20 by Mikie2times

[fridge]

The team that Beane assembled before we had to pay Allen that contract was absolutely worthy of winning the Superbowl. It ran into one of the greatest offensive powerhouse dynasties of all time (Kansas City) and even had the lead kicking off with 13 seconds.

 

How you build a team when you have the QB contract on the books is much more difficult (see current Chiefs), but its doable and requires some finessing. We went all in with Von Miller, and I tend to think that their heart was in the right place. I also tend to believe there was a lot more of McDermott praying someone could get to the QB with just 4 rushers in Beane's ear on that. It set us back, but not quite like our playoff defense imploding year after year.

Beane has a vision, and it's been a roster that Josh can use to get us to the playoffs. I'm fine with him continuing that on. People are going to nitpick and overreact every little thing, but I think we could be in a lot worse hands moving forward.

As for your WR specific criticism... this is more to do with personnel usage than everything. John Brown and Cole Beasley were also retreads, but the Daboll offense used them just fine. We needed an upgrade, so he traded for Diggs. Again, we were fine. Everyone is reacting to Palmer, Samuel, Moore like they were the absolute bottom of the barrel. Samuel had 1,000 yards WITH JOE BRADY in Carolina. Palmer got hurt. No idea what happened to Moore, but the fact is NO ONE was getting the ball.

The offense put up 30 points in road playoff game against a top defense. If McDermott's defense didn't allow Bo Nix to score a two minute drive regulation touchdown (something that has happened year, after year, after year), we would not be having this conversation right now.

[Best Williams Available]

[Sojourner]

Brandon Beane’s vision? Give the keys to Joe Brady. 

 

Edit: wow, some people really don’t get sarcasm 😂

 

Edited January 20 by Sojourner

[Urban Achievers]

Gettlemen is not the example you want to aspire to

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think any premise where McD had more control/input in personnel moves than the GM is BS.

 

If Beane is that weak/much of a pushover, why promote him?

[DuckyBoys]

15 minutes ago, fridge said:

The team that Beane assembled before we had to pay Allen that contract was absolutely worthy of winning the Superbowl. It ran into one of the greatest offensive powerhouse dynasties of all time (Kansas City) and even had the lead kicking off with 13 seconds.

 

How you build a team when you have the QB contract on the books is much more difficult (see current Chiefs), but its doable and requires some finessing. We went all in with Von Miller, and I tend to think that their heart was in the right place. I also tend to believe there was a lot more of McDermott praying someone could get to the QB with just 4 rushers in Beane's ear on that. It set us back, but not quite like our playoff defense imploding year after year.

Beane has a vision, and it's been a roster that Josh can use to get us to the playoffs. I'm fine with him continuing that on. People are going to nitpick and overreact every little thing, but I think we could be in a lot worse hands moving forward.

As for your WR specific criticism... this is more to do with personnel usage than everything. John Brown and Cole Beasley were also retreads, but the Daboll offense used them just fine. We needed an upgrade, so he traded for Diggs. Again, we were fine. Everyone is reacting to Palmer, Samuel, Moore like they were the absolute bottom of the barrel. Samuel had 1,000 yards WITH JOE BRADY in Carolina. Palmer got hurt. No idea what happened to Moore, but the fact is NO ONE was getting the ball.

The offense put up 30 points in road playoff game against a top defense. If McDermott's defense didn't allow Bo Nix to score a two minute drive regulation touchdown (something that has happened year, after year, after year), we would not be having this conversation right now.

the WR complaint is valid because the guys we have and had never could make the play in the big moments  Just in the playoffs Cooks this year, Kincaid last year, Diggs dropping a bucket throw  You needs receivers to once in a while make a big play in a key moment  Gabe Davis did it and then McDermott screwed the pooch against KC  Every week you see crazy plays made in the pass game  Just not this team

[Dinoman]

Steve Wilkes!?!?!? 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Wonder if McD’s approach ultimately drove certain people out of town (Daboll, Chad Hall, Diggs, etc.), which Beane then had to deal with from a roster management standpoint and ended up the power struggle that it seemingly became.  Seeing Diggs help the Pats to the AFC championship and likely the Super Bowl probably just added fuel to the fire.
 

[Governor]

I honestly think all of these GMs watched Belichick not prioritize the WR position and get away with it and they all copied the model.

[Wags67]

23 minutes ago, fridge said:

The team that Beane assembled before we had to pay Allen that contract was absolutely worthy of winning the Superbowl. It ran into one of the greatest offensive powerhouse dynasties of all time (Kansas City) and even had the lead kicking off with 13 seconds.

 

How you build a team when you have the QB contract on the books is much more difficult (see current Chiefs), but its doable and requires some finessing. We went all in with Von Miller, and I tend to think that their heart was in the right place. I also tend to believe there was a lot more of McDermott praying someone could get to the QB with just 4 rushers in Beane's ear on that. It set us back, but not quite like our playoff defense imploding year after year.

Beane has a vision, and it's been a roster that Josh can use to get us to the playoffs. I'm fine with him continuing that on. People are going to nitpick and overreact every little thing, but I think we could be in a lot worse hands moving forward.

As for your WR specific criticism... this is more to do with personnel usage than everything. John Brown and Cole Beasley were also retreads, but the Daboll offense used them just fine. We needed an upgrade, so he traded for Diggs. Again, we were fine. Everyone is reacting to Palmer, Samuel, Moore like they were the absolute bottom of the barrel. Samuel had 1,000 yards WITH JOE BRADY in Carolina. Palmer got hurt. No idea what happened to Moore, but the fact is NO ONE was getting the ball.

The offense put up 30 points in road playoff game against a top defense. If McDermott's defense didn't allow Bo Nix to score a two minute drive regulation touchdown (something that has happened year, after year, after year), we would not be having this conversation right now.

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[boyst]

13 seconds will forever haunt this team. That was our greatest team in the last 50 years.

 

Going forward, trim the fat at WR. We swung and missed on Samuel and Palmer, among others. 

[Victory Formation]

Don't care about McD, Gettleman or Beane's proclivities, Josh needs more weapons.. Like sign two WRs in FA to big contracts and then you draft a guy in RD1..

 

Figure out a way to sign McGovern and to extend Torrence as well.....

 

Look how easy Drake Maye has had it with all the weapons they gave him in New England.. If Allen had those same weapons he would have thrown for 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs... If you gave Maye the weapons Allen had, New England would have been an 8 win team..

 

We need at least 3 playmakers at WR minimum...

[juno999]

9 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think any premise where McD had more control/input in personnel moves than the GM is BS.

 

If Beane is that weak/much of a pushover, why promote him?

When McD interviewed for the HC job, Pegula was clueless and you can argue he still is. It’s not hard to imagine that McD dictated certain terms to become HC. Personnel matters being one of them. 

[DrMaxPower]

The remainder of Josh Allen's Bills career is about to be decided by Brandon Beane IMO.

 

He needs to nail the HC pick and execute a major roster repair with minimal resources. If he fails, Josh is going to be 33 when it's time to try again and I 100% believe he will be headed west at that point. He isn't going to spin his wheels in WNY his entire career, especially with family considerations. If they aren't competing for Superbowls he'll be gone.

 

I really wish I had more faith in Beane to get it right because the stakes are enormous.

 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Wonder if McD’s approach ultimately drove certain people out of town (Daboll, Chad Hall, Diggs, etc.), which Beane then had to deal with from a roster management standpoint and ended up the power struggle that it seemingly became.  Seeing Diggs help the Pats to the AFC championship and likely the Super Bowl probably just added fuel to the fire.
 

Diggs has had a terrible reputation going back to Minnesota tho

 

There is a reason why everybody on the team chose him is the guy they would never let date their sister 

 

he had a falling out with Josh Allen that was published by news reports all over Western New York.. the reason wasn't given but everybody said they had a fallout 

 

And now he's choking his female chef .. he might be a terrific football player but he's a POS and you don't need to tolerate that in your locker room even if he gets the boys ready to play

[Kelly to Allen]

14 minutes ago, Dinoman said:

Steve Wilkes!?!?!? 

 

Vic carucci has been clueless about the bills since the 90s. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said:

The remainder of Josh Allen's Bills career is about to be decided by Brandon Beane IMO.

 

He needs to nail the HC pick and execute a major roster repair with minimal resources. If he fails, Josh is going to be 33 when it's time to try again and I 100% believe he will be headed west at that point. He isn't going to spin his wheels in WNY his entire career, especially with family considerations. If they aren't competing for Superbowls he'll be gone.

 

I really wish I had more faith in Beane to get it right because the stakes are enormous.

 

That's also wishful thinking 

 

Josh Allen's entire family mantra is you bloom where you are planted 

 

Buffalo is where he basically grew up as a young adult... He's a country boy who has a lot more in common with orchard Park that he does Los Angeles lol

 

That's just the epitome of Bills fans who don't think we can have nice things.. I've been hearing it for 30 years 

 

Mcvay is probably retiring after Stafford he's already been Mulling it.. let alone they don't have the capital to trade us for Josh Allen 

 

But you know what Josh won't turn down.. another 250 million from the Buffalo Bills in a town that has loved him and seen him grow from a young adult

 

It's nothing like the Detroit Lions and matt Stafford who he didn't win one playoff game in a decade and never won one NFC North title.. they are in completely different stratospheres of ineptitude

Edited January 20 by Buffalo716

[Sojourner]

2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Don't care about McD, Gettleman or Beane's proclivities, Josh needs more weapons.. Like sign two WRs in FA to big contracts and then you draft a guy in RD1..

 

Figure out a way to sign McGovern and to extend Torrence as well.....

 

Look how easy Drake Maye has had it with all the weapons they gave him in New England.. If Allen had those same weapons he would have thrown for 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs... If you gave Maye the weapons Allen had, New England would have been an 8 win team..

 

We need at least 3 playmakers at WR minimum...

The problem with that is unless we can rework some serious money from current contracts, the guys who are likely to make the biggest impact will not be available. Especially if you want 2. If there’s two coming in the door I’d bet one of them turns into the Elijah Moore’s of acquisitions. 
 

They absolutely need an elite playmaker who can work the boundary and seams of a defense. That type of guy, in my opinion, allows Shakir/Kincaid/Knox a little more freedom from Safeties squatting on the underneath. And also removes some pressure of guys like the Coleman’s, Samuel’s and Palmer’s to be the guy for this team. At best they are all #2’s on a team. Never a 1 or 1a/b. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Diggs has had a terrible reputation going back to Minnesota tho

 

There is a reason why everybody on the team chose him is the guy they would never let date their sister 

 

he had a falling out with Josh Allen that was published by news reports all over Western New York.. the reason wasn't given but everybody said they had a fallout 

 

And now he's choking his female chef .. he might be a terrific football player but he's a POS and you don't need to tolerate that in your locker room even if he gets the boys ready to play

So you’re thinking that McD’s approach with other coaches and players had nothing to do with the decision that his time was up then?