The defense failed us WAY more than Josh did

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

What is up with this insane narrative that Josh lost the team this game.

Did Josh have a few bad plays? Sure. 

But despite that, his offense put up 30 POINTS. That is enough to win 97% of the time.

 

And put up 450 yards of offense.

 

And had 28 first downs.

 

And was 67% on third down.

 

The defense on the other hand gave up 33 points. Thats enough to lose 99% of the time.

 

Even with that horrendous INT call by the refs, the Broncos got the ball at the 20 yard line. They needed AT LEAST 40 yards to get into field goal range (minimum). The defense gave up 75 yards!!!!

 

You want someone to blame? I say blame the side of the ball that gave up 33 points and 75 yards on the final drive… Not the QB who made a handful of mistakes but still put up nearly 500 yards of offense and 30 points.

 

 

 

A few bad plays.  Bad plays are the missed passes, sure that happens. But 4 turnovers, plus another by Cooks game the Broncos 10 points directly. 

 

Explain why Allen seems to think it's fine to carry the ball with one hand once past LOS?  

[DuckyBoys]

last 6 playoff McChokes 199 pts given up    33 a game  Defensive mastermind with major assets poured into his defense

[JoshAllin]

This defense is always going to be bad, but the bigger problem was the offenses lack of killer instinct. Playing for a fg to go up 27-23, then running it three straight times on first down in OT, way predictable and soft leading them to poor decisions

 

 

Edited January 18 by JoshAllin

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

What is up with this insane narrative that Josh lost the team this game.

Did Josh have a few bad plays? Sure. 

But despite that, his offense put up 30 POINTS. That is enough to win 97% of the time.

 

And put up 450 yards of offense.

 

And had 28 first downs.

 

And was 67% on third down.

 

The defense on the other hand gave up 33 points. Thats enough to lose 99% of the time.

 

Even with that horrendous INT call by the refs, the Broncos got the ball at the 20 yard line. They needed AT LEAST 40 yards to get into field goal range (minimum). The defense gave up 75 yards!!!!

 

You want someone to blame? I say blame the side of the ball that gave up 33 points and 75 yards on the final drive… Not the QB who made a handful of mistakes but still put up nearly 500 yards of offense and 30 points.

 

 

 

 

Yep.  When you need your QB to be flawless to win every game you have a roster problem.  
 

As he’s throwing to guys who’ve barely played with him this season.  
 

His worst throw was actually the miss to Knox.  
 

The Samuel - lol - he’s got get that timing down with that guy he’s been here 2 years now!!

 

 

 

Beane’s roster has been lapped.  

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He had 4 turnovers and had multiple chances to win the game.  Give me a break

 

1 of those turnovers was a blindside hit when Dawkins whiffed on a block and Josh was hit about 1.2 seconds after the sack. Josh’s fault you say?

 

The other was a blown call by the ref where we should have won the game. Blown calls are Josh’s fault?

 

Just say you’re an Allen hater and call it a day. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

30 points on the road against the best defense in the league even with 5 turnovers….still not enough. Not to beat mahomes or burrow. To beat a team that scored 13 points against the Jets. Same exact exit 7 years in a row. Cant make a ***** stop

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

What is up with this insane narrative that Josh lost the team this game.

Did Josh have a few bad plays? Sure. 

But despite that, his offense put up 30 POINTS. That is enough to win 97% of the time.

 

And put up 450 yards of offense.

 

And had 28 first downs.

 

And was 67% on third down.

 

The defense on the other hand gave up 33 points. Thats enough to lose 99% of the time.

 

Even with that horrendous INT call by the refs, the Broncos got the ball at the 20 yard line. They needed AT LEAST 40 yards to get into field goal range (minimum). The defense gave up 75 yards!!!!

 

You want someone to blame? I say blame the side of the ball that gave up 33 points and 75 yards on the final drive… Not the QB who made a handful of mistakes but still put up nearly 500 yards of offense and 30 points.

 

 

Look. I love Josh as much as the next fan. Heck, I'm sitting here in an Allen jersey as I type this. But he was just as responsible for this loss as anyone else. As a QB you CANNOT turn the ball over 4 times on the road in a playoff game. 

 

Yes, the defense has some bad possessions. Yes the refs made some... odd...calls at the end. The whole end of the first half was coaching malpractice. But Josh has to see some of the blame on this one. 

[Governor]

The defense was great at times, but folded late in typical McD fashion. Tbh, Tre White should never have been our starting CB and Taron was awful all season. These are misses/errors by Beane and also stubborn/loyal errors by McD to resort to having them out there in the first place. Also, neither one of them can draft quality DEs and WRs. 

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He had 4 turnovers and had multiple chances to win the game.  Give me a break

All Josh had to do was get them in FG range, with unlimited time, and he failed.  Also failed to get a TD that would have won the game, with the ball deep in Denver territory and four downs to work with. 

[Jalan81]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The expectations for Allen are that 30 points isn't enough against a top ranked defense with the worst WR group in the NFL around him.

 

The expectations for the defense are that if they give up less than 30 against a middling offense they have done enough.

 

I'll never understand it.

 

Sadly two throws cost us this game, and they were relatively easy ones. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yep.  When you need your QB to be flawless to win every game you have a roster problem.  
 

As he’s throwing to guys who’ve barely played with him this season.  
 

His worst throw was actually the miss to Knox.  
 

The Samuel - lol - he’s got get that timing down with that guy he’s been here 2 years now!!

 

 

 

Beane’s roster has been lapped.  

This I can agree with. A lot of this is on the poor roster. At the end of the game Bo Nix had his Pro Bowl WR in Sutton making plays. Allen had a skeleton crew of bottom of the roster WRs dropping balls. That was a huge difference at the end of the game.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The expectations for Allen are that 30 points isn't enough against a top ranked defense with the worst WR group in the NFL around him.

 

The expectations for the defense are that if they give up less than 30 against a middling offense they have done enough.

 

I'll never understand it.

 

This is the most level headed post tonight. Everyone who wants to blame this 100% on QB is just helping the tools like Beane who gave us this roster. Which BTW makes the margins razor thin.

[Einstein]

Put another way: If Allen put up 30 points today, but had zero turnovers… who would you all be blaming?

 

THE DEFENSE.

 

Allen’s offense put up 30 points and almost 500 yards. Bad plays? Sure. But the purpose of the offense is to SCORE. And they scored 30 points.

 

The defense gave up 33.

[BillsFan130]

Anyone who blames Josh for this loss is just hard to take serious.

 

Left the 4th with a 27-23 lead. Defence craps the bed.

Then he Ties the game up.

 

Throws a perfect ball to cooks in OT, and he drops it.

 

This game and every other playoff loss, is 95 percent on McDermott and his defence

Edited January 18 by BillsFan130

[Mod_Squad_Reject]

11 minutes ago, Luka said:

This argument only works when the QB isn't turning the ball over 5 times.

He turns it over because what’s around him pretty much is lacking so he presses to make plays. 
 

I’ll say it for a 3rd time Darnold will be in the SB before Josh.  Is he better or does he have a better supporting cast?  You tell me.

 

 

 

Edited January 18 by Mod_Squad_Reject

[Jalan81]

Just now, mannc said:

All Josh had to do was get them in FG range, with unlimited time, and he failed.  Also failed to get a TD that would have won the game, with the ball deep in Denver territory and four downs to work with. 

Well, we did waste to play running the ball when it was quite obvious the last few minutes Denver was not giving up the run. But throwing that ball in to the dirt for Shakir and missing knox  on that wide open pass that would’ve been a touchdown were killers, there’s no ignoring that.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

All Josh had to do was get them in FG range, with unlimited time, and he failed.  Also failed to get a TD that would have won the game, with the ball deep in Denver territory and four downs to work with. 

 

Gimme a break.  He did, Cooks didn’t “catch” the ball.  We had to move from our own 7 to start that drive.  
 

Everyone forgetting this was the number 2 D in the league?  
 

Allen has us that spoiled.  

[LetJamesCook]

10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He had 4 turnovers and had multiple chances to win the game.  Give me a break

What about the wide open 20 yard play to Sutton on 3rd and 11? The extreme lack of pressure on the touchdown to Humphrey? Not to mention leaving 2 guys who have barely seen the field out in an island, knowing they are going to be thrown at-where’s the help for those guys? 

[mannc]

The defense forced a 3-and-out in OT and the offense choked, as they often do in these situations 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Yep.  When you need your QB to be flawless to win every game you have a roster problem.  
 

As he’s throwing to guys who’ve barely played with him this season.  

 

Ding, ding, ding!

 

Yes - people expect Allen to be flawless even after scoring 30 points!

 

Even Tom Brady had 4-5 bad plays per game. But they weren’t psychoanalyzed because his defense almost never gave up 33 points.