Wolfgang Posted January 18 Posted January 18 9 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: Ok, it came down to turnovers. Now let’s count how many our vaunted defense led by mastermind Sean McDermott came up with in key moments… One. They had one turnover. And no sacks. The defense held the number 1 seed to 30 points in regulation DESPITE the offense coughing it up 5 times... 8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Actually Allen turned the ball over 3 times. I refuse to count that last "INT" that Cooks should have secured and may have secured but was missed by the refs. And Allen's 2nd fumble was the direct result of the Bronco's BEST pass rusher getting a free run blind side shot at Allen. Most QB's lose that ball in that situation. The two TO's I put squarely on Allen was the first fumble and the first INT. Both lays were careless and on Allen. The fumble handed Denver a FG and the INT likely took 3 points off the board for the Bills. Hardly back breakers and Allen's great play during the 17 - 0 run more then made up for those 2 mistakes. I will leave you to your denial... 1 Quote
TheBrownBear Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: The defense held the number 1 seed to 30 points in regulation DESPITE the offense coughing it up 5 times... True, they could have completely folded and they were damn good for the majority of the 2nd half, but let's be honest, Denver was the number 1 seed because of their defense. That is not a good offense. On top of that, they were down their starting running back and 2 of their top 3 receivers. I'd argue that Nix had far less to work with yesterday than Josh. Edit: Also, to be fair to our defense, they scored twice when we were forced by injury to insert a practice squad player Edited January 18 by TheBrownBear 1 Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: The defense held the number 1 seed to 30 points in regulation DESPITE the offense coughing it up 5 times... I will leave you to your denial... Those 5 TO's only led directly to 6 points. Or are you saying that giving the Bronco's the ball at their own 20 in OT put them in scoring range? The only folks on 2BD engaged in denial are those that see Allen's play as a major factor in the Bills not advancing. Sure Allen could have played a lot better and if he does the Bills probably win. But that is different then saying Allen lost the game. The real problem and the one that has been responsible for the Bills not making the SB is roster construction and the defenses poor performances during the playoffs. Quote
<bills4life> Posted January 18 Posted January 18 25 minutes ago, Casey D said: Reasonable position, but I don't think it will or should happen. And we have no control over the situation anyway. JMO. I hear you. It just sucks being a bills fan. Always waiting for the next let down. Now looking at Josh, I think he feels it too. And let’s face it, he is the team. And that right there alone is the problem. He feels responsible for all of it. Even a Jim Kelly led offense scored 3 points in the afc championship to get to the Super Bowl. Josh has 4 turnovers, yet puts up 30 points against the number 1 ranked defense and people are ready to crucify him. He should not have to always be perfect. A lot of people’s fortunes and legacy are falsely being inflated, because he is that transcendent of a player. Quote
Buffalo Boy Posted January 18 Posted January 18 13 hours ago, Virgil said: Damn, I feel for him Have felt for him for years now. Have said it repeatedly. It is organizational malfeasance what he has been subjected to. He deserves better and i hope he finds his way to it here or somewhere else. Josh is the single best competitor I have ever seen on this team and a SB is something he deserves. Quote
Wolfgang Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, <bills4life> said: I hear you. It just sucks being a bills fan. Always waiting for the next let down. Now looking at Josh, I think he feels it too. And let’s face it, he is the team. And that right there alone is the problem. He feels responsible for all of it. Even a Jim Kelly led offense scored 3 points in the afc championship to get to the Super Bowl. Josh has 4 turnovers, yet puts up 30 points against the number 1 ranked defense and people are ready to crucify him. He should not have to always be perfect. A lot of people’s fortunes and legacy are falsely being inflated, because he is that transcendent of a player. People are confusing criticism with wanting to crucify Allen... That is how a child would handle criticism of their favorite cartoon character... Allen seems to agree that he made too many mistakes... Quote
<bills4life> Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: People are confusing criticism with wanting to crucify Allen... That is how a child would handle criticism of their favorite cartoon character... Allen seems to agree that he made too many mistakes... What part of 4 turnovers did you not see in my post. At what point did I say he was above criticism. Is it really how a child would handle criticism of a cartoon character? My god. Get a grip. Quote
Casey D Posted January 18 Posted January 18 27 minutes ago, <bills4life> said: I hear you. It just sucks being a bills fan. Always waiting for the next let down. Now looking at Josh, I think he feels it too. And let’s face it, he is the team. And that right there alone is the problem. He feels responsible for all of it. Even a Jim Kelly led offense scored 3 points in the afc championship to get to the Super Bowl. Josh has 4 turnovers, yet puts up 30 points against the number 1 ranked defense and people are ready to crucify him. He should not have to always be perfect. A lot of people’s fortunes and legacy are falsely being inflated, because he is that transcendent of a player. He is amazing. No one is crucifying him. He played poorly yesterday yet still should have won but for some effed up officiating at the end. He was sublime v. Jax, and I attribute the poor game-- by his lofty standards-- to the punishment he took last week and the short week. The NFL is going to be in trouble if the inexplicable officiating keeps up along with the gambling, and they make teams like Bills and SF play on six days rest against teams that had a bye. And Steratore defending the indefensible just makes the whole thing stink to high heaven. But Josh is a Godsend, as a player and even more so as a person. No one should be in the mental pain he was in after the game yesterday, and it is just because he cares so much--maybe too much. Little does Superman know his Kryptonite is the curse of the Bills and smoking man. Quote
Uncle Stucky Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Jesus Christ, just saw the video for the first time. Act like a pro for god sakes. Blubbering like a fool on the podium. Guy has to be embarrassed of himself this morning. Bills are a joke franchise. 1 2 2 2 Quote
<bills4life> Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 minutes ago, Casey D said: He is amazing. No one is crucifying him. He played poorly yesterday yet still should have won but for some effed up officiating at the end. He was sublime v. Jax, and I attribute the poor game-- by his lofty standards-- to the punishment he took last week and the short week. The NFL is going to be in trouble if the inexplicable officiating keeps up along with the gambling, and they make teams like Bills and SF play on six days rest against teams that had a bye. And Steratore defending the indefensible just makes the whole thing stink to high heaven. But Josh is a Godsend, as a player and even more so as a person. No one should be in the mental pain he was in after the game yesterday, and it is just because he cares so much--maybe too much. Little does Superman know his Kryptonite is the curse of the Bills and smoking man. Well said. Couldn’t agree more. 1 Quote
RobbRiddick Posted January 18 Posted January 18 As cruel as it sounds, my first thought was of Phil Leotardo. Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted January 18 Posted January 18 14 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Dan Fouts The answer to the question: Name the Hall of Fame QBs Who Never Made it to a Super Bowl. Josh may be providing him some company ... Quote
Breakout Squad Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Uncle Stucky said: Jesus Christ, just saw the video for the first time. Act like a pro for god sakes. Blubbering like a fool on the podium. Guy has to be embarrassed of himself this morning. Bills are a joke franchise. Get out of here with that crap. 1 1 Quote
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 I take some small comfort in the fact that Jim Kelly was days short of his 31st birthday when he played in his first Super Bowl…by that metric Josh could still reel off 4-5 straight without batting an eye! 4 hours ago, Uncle Stucky said: Jesus Christ, just saw the video for the first time. Act like a pro for god sakes. Blubbering like a fool on the podium. Guy has to be embarrassed of himself this morning. Bills are a joke franchise. Really? That’s your takeaway? Trolling after this is a special level of low. You’re better than that. 1 Quote
In Summary Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Modern men have moved away from stoicism. It's the norm. That said, having a kid may give you a different Josh next year. Quote
HOUSE Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Josh needs a vacation, 3 or 4 weeks Bahamas maybe Hawaii. Chill, catch some rays. Quote
dayman Posted January 18 Posted January 18 40 minutes ago, In Summary said: Modern men have moved away from stoicism. It's the norm. That said, having a kid may give you a different Josh next year. Next year Josh is 20lbs over weight, dark circles around his eyes, and shows up to press conferences wearing a fanny pack. 1 Quote
Rousseauisnoschmo Posted January 18 Posted January 18 6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: Are you going to ignore how well Montana's D played during the playoffs in the years he won a SB? The point being made is that even the greatest QB's from Mahomes to Brady to Montana needed a lot of help from individual players and position groups to win a SB. This is the realty of the NFL. It's the ultimate TEAM sport. What has kept the Bills out of multiple Super Bowls has not been Allen's play. In fact his play has been more then good enough, including yesterday, to get Buffalo to the big game. The barrier has been the lack of other players rising to the occasion and the Defense going on a playoff run its self. I agree with pretty much all of that and I blame our playoff failures far more on our defense and our head coach. That said Allen deserves his fair share of the blame for yesterdays loss. He did not handle key moments well at all. The team around Josh leaves much to be desired in many areas and consequently he simply tries to do too much to make up for those deficiencies. It's the main reason why Im done with McDermott and Beane. Neither has done enough to help our superstar QB get to the promised land. He shouldn't have to carry the entire team on his back week in and week out and to ask him to do that on the road three straight weeks in the playoffs is an unreasonable ask. I think I misunderstood your point and actually agree with what you are saying. 1 Quote
Maynard Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, dayman said: Next year Josh is 20lbs over weight, dark circles around his eyes, and shows up to press conferences wearing a fanny pack. Haha! However, Josh can hire a dozen nanny’s to take care of that kid 24/7. Quote
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