If the Bills get bounced in the divisional round are we back on the fire everyone bandwagon?

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 

I can kinda see both sides of this for sure but one thing I will say is if mcd gets fired after a divisional round loss this year it would be absolutely unprecedented.

 

Schottenheimer got fired after a 14 win season divisional playoff loss.

Another very good coach who couldn’t get a team over the hump.

[Jester]

I didn't read through this whole thread but I'm assuming someone said "We ain't losing!" 

 

And why would you post this the day before a big game??  

[US Egg]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Schottenheimer got fired after a 14 win season divisional playoff loss.

Another very good coach who couldn’t get a team over the hump.

Um, excuse me please....he won the UFL championship in 2011.

[Mikie2times]

At this point, I put more fault on Beane than McDermott by a wide margin. As a whole, this has probably been McD’s best year at the helm.

That said, look at the “take a knee” decision. I was fine with it, but the reality is that if we do not make a play, it could have ended up in 13 seconds territory. Is that a fair comparison? Probably not. But it is still the reality of the margin we live in.

 

Another reality is this. We should absolutely applaud the success this team has had. At the same time, it is fair to question why we have not been to a Super Bowl, especially given how the journey has played out. Whether the reason is McD, Beane, Kansas City, injuries, or most likely some combination of all of it, that question does not get to live forever in a state of blame shifting and justification. At some point, the answer has to be that it simply has not been good enough. That applies to McD, Beane, or both.

 

If we lose to Denver, it should not fundamentally change the underlying evaluation of where this team is unless it happens in a way that reinforces postseason competence concerns. Missed challenges, defensive breakdowns, failure on long third downs, or poor situational management. Short of that, the larger issue remains.

 

From a roster standpoint, it feels like we are moving backward more than forward. I do not see myself moving off the position that Beane deserves real scrutiny and possibly a change. I have gained respect for McDermott this year, but as I also said, this can’t live forever in a state of blame shifting and justification. He will need to get it done and get it done soon.

Edited January 16 by Mikie2times

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Schottenheimer got fired after a 14 win season divisional playoff loss.

Another very good coach who couldn’t get a team over the hump.

Schottenheimer had a dismal playoff record following him from past teams and went one and done, missed playoffs, one and done with the chargers.  That was one of the easier firings on the list imo so I didn’t bring that one up specifically 

the only thing that saved him from three straight one and dones was missing the playoffs most likely 😂 5-13 career playoff record on top of it 

Edited January 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Schottenheimer had a dismal playoff record following him from past teams and went one and done, missed playoffs, one and done with the chargers.  That was one of the easier firings on the list imo so I didn’t bring that one up specifically 

the only thing that saved him from three straight one and dones was missing the playoffs most likely 😂

You said unprecedented. 🤷‍♂️

[Augie]

We could win our next 3 games, and some people will be upset that we lost our chance to fire everybody….for a while. They will be back at the next two games losing streak. That’s how it works around here. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

You said unprecedented. 🤷‍♂️

I mean…has mcd gone first game loss,missed playoffs,first game loss with a terrible career playoff record?  Haha don’t think schotty is really in the same league of a firing as mcd would be 

 

If mcd did that I wouldn’t be saying unprecedented 😂. These ‘good’ coaches usually do something that makes the decision easy we just don’t remember the results really looking back was what I was going for.
 

This would be a really tough one where I think both sides have merit. 

Edited January 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

We could win our next 3 games, and some people will be upset that we lost our chance to fire everybody….for a while. They will be back at the next two games losing streak. That’s how it works around here. 

Couldn't be further from the truth, a lie so many pro ________ people throw around to make any consideration of moving on from McD or Beane looks irrational. Everybody here wants to win it all. Everything goes away when that happens. For a lot of us it cools off considerably by just getting to the game. It doesn't mean we will live in an eternal state of happiness for the rest of time. That isn't how fandom works, but every logical argument to move on from either of these guys, specifically McD, would be completely destroyed.  

[Buffalo Ballin]

Buffalo Bills' higher ups already made their minds on McD. They're keeping him regardless if we lose on Saturday.

 

However, Joe Brady can leave. Take Babich with ya.

Edited January 16 by Buffalo Ballin

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Couldn't be further from the truth, a lie so many pro ________ people throw around to make any consideration of moving on from McD or Beane looks irrational. Everybody here wants to win it all. Everything goes away when that happens. For a lot of us it cools off considerably by just getting to the game. It doesn't mean we will live in an eternal state of happiness for the rest of time. That isn't how fandom works, but every logical argument to move on from either of these guys, specifically McD, would be completely destroyed.  

 

Couldn’t be further from the truth, the people who like to complain and pretend they are smarter than they are will still be the same people. That will not go away for long at all. People show you so they are - believe them. That’s no lie. 

[harryS]

It's not going to happen but yeah, Terry should strongly consider it soon.

 

It would be a disaster to go Josh's entire career with only one regime getting a shot to win a Super Bowl with him and fail to do so.

 

With Josh about to enter his early 30s, the next regime should be hired soon (one more year at the latest, imo) so they have time to build something with Josh while he's still in his prime.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Couldn’t be further from the truth, the people who like to complain and pretend they are smarter than they are will still be the same people. That will not go away for long at all. People show you so they are - believe them. That’s no lie. 

This subject isn't about people complaining and trying to be smarter. Teams aren't infallible. Everything they do is not correct.  It's not smarter to feel like this is the right direction for this team. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Maybe this could have been a dynasty and instead it's just an AFC East champion? Most people here just want to win as Super Bowl, eventually, in the life they have. They would be thrilled with whoever can make that happen. Dismissing it as just blind hate or need to be right is just an attempt to shift the narrative and make them look illogical. As I said, couldn't be further from the truth.    

Edited January 16 by Mikie2times

[Lost]

22 minutes ago, Augie said:

We could win our next 3 games, and some people will be upset that we lost our chance to fire everybody….for a while. They will be back at the next two games losing streak. That’s how it works around here. 

 

I haven't seen one person in this thread advocating for firing everybody.   Mid season when we were looking like we might possibly miss the playoffs completely, there were some sure.   Those complaints were justified.   Just look the teams that made the playoffs this year, half of them are 1st or 2nd year head coaches.   Sometimes all it takes is a fresh perspective to get the team reinvigorated.   Of course winning the SB throws all the discussion out the window but there's nothing wrong with discussion on everyone's feelings about how the coaching staff and management have performed this season.  

[Mikey152]

17 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Couldn’t be further from the truth, the people who like to complain and pretend they are smarter than they are will still be the same people. That will not go away for long at all. People show you so they are - believe them. That’s no lie. 

I lived in NE from 2004-2012. A lot of people forget that they won three superbowls in 4 years from 2001-2004, then none for 10 years. They only missed the playoffs once, though...when Brady was out for the season and "only" won 11 games.

 

Those fans would call into talk radio DAILY and complain about Brady and Belichick. Like relentlessly. The year they lost to the colts because BB went for it and didn't get it?  Man, they lost their freaking minds...Nevermind Manning was moving the ball at will, analytics later said it was the right call AND it was the regular season.

 

To me it was proof that some people are just never happy. It will happen here, too. No matter what people say. 

Edited January 16 by Mikey152

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Mikey152 said:

I lived in NE from 2004-2012. A lot of people forget that they won three superbowls in 4 years from 2001-2004, then none for 10 years. They only missed the playoffs once, though...when Brady was out for the season and "only" won 11 games.

 

Those fans would call into talk radio DAILY and complain about Brady and Belichick. Like relentlessly. The year they lost to the colts because BB went for it and didn't get it?  Man, they lost their freaking minds...Nevermind Manning was moving the ball at will.

 

To me it was proof that some people are just never happy. It will happen here, too. No matter what people say. 

A spoiled teat sucking Patriot fan has nothing in common with this fan base and I really hope people don't consider talk radio as a reflection of the normal fan. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

I haven't seen one person in this thread advocating for firing everybody.   Mid season when we were looking like we might possibly miss the playoffs completely, there were some sure.   Those complaints were justified.   Just look the teams that made the playoffs this year, half of them are 1st or 2nd year head coaches.   Sometimes all it takes is a fresh perspective to get the team reinvigorated.   Of course winning the SB throws all the discussion out the window but there's nothing wrong with discussion on everyone's feelings about how the coaching staff and management have performed this season.  

 

 

“…in this thread.” Did you read the title? 

 

I’m not going to defend the obvious. We all know how this place works. 

6 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

I lived in NE from 2004-2012. A lot of people forget that they won three superbowls in 4 years from 2001-2004, then none for 10 years. They only missed the playoffs once, though...when Brady was out for the season and "only" won 11 games.

 

Those fans would call into talk radio DAILY and complain about Brady and Belichick. Like relentlessly. The year they lost to the colts because BB went for it and didn't get it?  Man, they lost their freaking minds...Nevermind Manning was moving the ball at will.

 

To me it was proof that some people are just never happy. It will happen here, too. No matter what people say. 

 

I’m not picking on anyone in particular here, but this is some obvious stuff we should know from living on this planet for a while. 

[NewEra]

McDermott is safe in my book.  That could change if the D gets routed by Denver.  I just don’t think there’s any available I’d rather have than him.  Stefanski IF Schwartz came with him may be a good fit.  Kubiak?   Depends on who he brought in as coordinators, but maybe 
 

I’d have no problem if Beane were fired, but I don’t thinks that’s gonna happen.  
 

Brady and Babich….to be determined based on how the season goes.  This is where they earn their keep.  Playoff play calling and play design is what it’s all about 

 

if we win the SB, someone may hire Brady as HC.  I like the guy, but not as a HC in the NFL

[Mikey152]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

A spoiled teat sucking Patriot fan has nothing in common with this fan base and I really hope people don't consider talk radio as a reflection of the normal fan. 

Now they are...

 

But pre-2001 they weren't. Red sox were cursed, Pats only got blown out in SB every couple of decades and the Celtics hadn't been good since the 80s. 

 

And it wasn't just talk radio. It was everywhere.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

A spoiled teat sucking Patriot fan has nothing in common with this fan base and I really hope people don't consider talk radio as a reflection of the normal fan. 

 

So, we are people, and they are people, but we are different somehow in how we react to things….as people. 

 

Talk radio is a reflection of a part of every market. I have a close friend in Boston for the last 30 years and he tells me the same thing. He’s sitting on a sunny beach in Punta Cana right now, and he is both confirming it’s not just talk radio and pissing me off with photos at the same time.