Why are so many fired retread head coaches the belles of the off season coaching ball this year?

[Mister Defense]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

McDaniel to the Ravens MIGHT make some sense because I think his schemes could be far more effective with a player like Jackson running them than a player like Tua.

 

I originally thought the same thing.

 

But then I was thinking about the Ravens' reputation, at least formerly, as that very tough, aggressive, great defensive team..

 

McDaniel' entire demeanor, personality, and coaching style just won't fit with the Ravens' perception of their team.  So they would not consider him as head coach, I don't think.

 

But maybe as their OC.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

Harbaugh might not be HIM, but he's good enough to turn a stumbling franchise around. No brainer for a floundering franchise lacking directioin

 

Verdict is still out on Saleh. There is no chance to succeed with the Jets. But they were a lot more formiddable with him than they are now. He's not a SAFE pick. But he's worth a roll of the dice. 

 

Tomlin's a great leader. He just needs to pick better coordinators and let them coordinate. But I think he's done with it, so doesn't matter. Maybe he'll do some self reflection and get the itch again. 

 

Most of the other guys I think got a fair chance and have shown that they're more coordinator than HC. 

 

 

 

What floundering franchise did Harbaugh "turn around"?  He was just fired for floundering his franchise (with perennial stacked Defenses and a 2 time MVP at QB, no less).

 

Saleh was a terrible game day coach.  Really clueless in the moment. He's going to be a sudden  genius at a dumpster fire franchise like Tennessee?  Cleveland (they fired a 2 time COTY!)?

[Virgil]

36 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If I were the Ravens I would see if a Flores/Daboll combo is possible. 

 

I think that would either be great or terrible.  I would lean towards terrible as I could see Flores say the wrong thing to Lamar and their relationship go south real quick. 

[mushypeaches]

I just laugh thinking about McDaniels to the Ravens.  

 

Lamar is an entitled brat and everyone there already caters to him.  Is McDaniels really going to get more out of them than they already have?

And they're already talking about NEXT contract for a guy who's massively injury-prone and best days already behind him

 

Harbaugh at least kept the other vets happy and never lost the locker room.  Can you honestly see McDaniels keeping a veteran defense in line?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

53 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

I don't get the unique focus, fascination and hyberbolic hype this year by both the NFL owners and the national media on the previously (and often recently) fired head coaches as potential head coaches, and saviors, of NFL teams:

 

King Harbaugh, whose extremely talented teams dramatically underperformed for years-- and blew more late leads in the last 3 seasons than any team in the league.

 

Mike McCarthy, whose teams in Dallas could not win a big game if their lives depended on it, underperforming in those games ALL of the time

 

MikeTomlin, who those in the know say would be 2nd only to Harbaugh if he were to decide to coach again.  A man whose teams do not even compete in the playoffs anymore, got blown out as if they were in a different league---no chance. (Yes, not fired technically, but I think that was just to allow him to save face. That fan base would have been incensed if he was back next year.)

 

Robert Salah, the head coach of the lost and confused hapless Jets, who looked as lost and confused as his team, and so fired in the middle of last season

 

Kevin Stefanski, who led one of the worst teams in the NFL this year and previously

 

Kliff Kingsbury!,

 

(And Mike McDaniel, a good offensive coordinator, who at least has some upside as a head coach still—as his team actually played hard for him late in the season.  I think he becomes a great OC, does that for a year or two, and then becomes a solid head coach. So, I don’t want to group him with the others here.)

 

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t believe in past years that fired NFL coaches with clearly problematic later resumes, coaches of teams that have underperformed, have been painted in such glowing terms and were leading the way for NFL teams in need of a head coach.  Rather, it seems in the past top coordinators and college coaches were the focus, and rightfully so.

 

Look at some of this year’s playoff and up and coming teams: Jacksonville, Houston. Chicago, Seattle, all considered some of the most dynamic, well coached teams in the league now.  (And an on the rise team like New Orleans as well.) No retread, fired head coaches to be  found there,and all former NFL coordinators I think.  But yes, Vrabel, is one fired ex head coach who did well.

 

How discouraging it would have been if the Bills had lost this past week, and McDermott was fired, only to see the Bills going backwards, bringing in a Tomlin! Harbaugh, Salah—McCarthy!! That would have been devastating.

 

(And furthermore, when I read and watch NFL analysis this week the focus should clearly be almost exclusively on the Bills, with a bit thrown in on the other playoff teams. Instead, each day another one of these teams and the fired, re-tread coaches are their focus, day after day. Taking all of the Bills' rightfully earned air time.)

 

 

 

i would’ve freaking killed for a Jim Harbaugh type to rebuild the Bills during the drought. Fortunately, we got McDermott. He’s made some blunders for sure, but this is the perfect hire for a franchise with a culture of losing. 

[Royale with Cheese]

54 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Saleh is under rated. His Jets defenses were always pretty good. 

 

The Jets jumped the gun firing him midseason IMO. 

 

They didn't jump the gun.  They caved to Rodgers.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

I just laugh thinking about McDaniels to the Ravens.  

 

Lamar is an entitled brat and everyone there already caters to him.  Is McDaniels really going to get more out of them than they already have?

And they're already talking about NEXT contract for a guy who's massively injury-prone and best days already behind him

 

Harbaugh at least kept the other vets happy and never lost the locker room.  Can you honestly see McDaniels keeping a veteran defense in line?

 

Harbaugh is gone in part because he could not get through to Jackson.  Granted the kid is a headcase and not a guy who works hard before the season.  But that's a huge reason he's gone.  Ownership could not wrap their heads around a team this good can't make another deep playoff run.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What floundering franchise did Harbaugh "turn around"?  He was just fired for floundering his franchise (with perennial stacked Defenses and a 2 time MVP at QB, no less).

 

Saleh was a terrible game day coach.  Really clueless in the moment. He's going to be a sudden  genius at a dumpster fire franchise like Tennessee?  Cleveland (they fired a 2 time COTY!)?

Brian Billick was a weird every other year is good type coach so it’s hard to tell how floundering that pre Harbaugh ravens team was lol 

 

year he got fired I think they were real bad but the year before that they were great in the regular season and a first round exit.  May have had a bye and lost in the divisional actually 

Edited January 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

They didn't jump the gun.  They caved to Rodgers.

 

Saleh's Jets had won 18 games over 3 seasons before Rodgers showed up.

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Brian Billick was a weird every other year is good type coach so it’s hard to tell how floundering that pre Harbaugh ravens team was lol 

 

year he got fired I think they were real bad but the year before that they were great in the regular season and a first round exit 

 

They had a 5-12 season the year before he was hired.

 

Harbaugh's Ravens had 5 seasons with 8 or fewer wins...

[Sharky7337]

Having a quarterback in this league is everything. Look at belicheat without brady. 

 

[uticaclub]

Many “retread” coaches have seen success with their 2 jobs. Did you ever get fired and were better at your next position?

[stlbills13]

McCarthy is the only one I genuinely don't understand. The rest are probably "good enough" that you should at least have interest in them. 

 

Don't forget too that some of this "interest" is just agents strumming up news for their guy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Saleh's Jets had won 18 games over 3 seasons before Rodgers showed up.

 

They had a 5-12 season the year before he was hired.

 

Harbaugh's Ravens had 5 seasons with 8 or fewer wins...

Oh yea I get it…was just trying to point out that billick was a bit of a rollercoaster haha they went 13-3 the year before the 5-11 season 

 

obviously Harbaugh was way more consistent but I think he inherited a pretty good roster 

Edited January 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Having a quarterback in this league is everything. Look at belicheat without brady. 

 

 

Or pretty much any HOF HC without his HOF QB

Just now, stlbills13 said:

McCarthy is the only one I genuinely don't understand. The rest are probably "good enough" that you should at least have interest in them. 

 

Don't forget too that some of this "interest" is just agents strumming up news for their guy

 

Teams looking for a HC already know who is interviewing where.  They don't need agents to help them with this.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Many “retread” coaches have seen success with their 2 jobs. Did you ever get fired and were better at your next position?

A lot of coordinators have had success in their first HC job. McVay and Shanahan are probably the 2 best coaches in football. Coen is really good. Canales is too. Our own Sean McDermott has had a lot of success (not that I think he’s great). Stefanski was twice coach of the year. People have tons of respect for Kevin O’Connell. Mike MacDonald may be COY. As I’m listing these, it’s becoming more real that you’re better off with someone new. Todd Bowles, Raheem Morris, and Pete Carroll come to mind as attempts at “safe.” 
 

I am not suggesting never hiring someone again. Sean Payton and Mike Vrabel have had a lot of success. I’m suggesting that your previous experience is not that important. What you believe in and how you lead men is WAY more important.

Edited January 16 by Kirby Jackson

[Livinginthepast]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

I don't get the unique focus, fascination and hyberbolic hype this year by both the NFL owners and the national media on the previously (and often recently) fired head coaches as potential head coaches, and saviors, of NFL teams:

 

King Harbaugh, whose extremely talented teams dramatically underperformed for years-- and blew more late leads in the last 3 seasons than any team in the league.

 

Mike McCarthy, whose teams in Dallas could not win a big game if their lives depended on it, underperforming in those games ALL of the time

 

MikeTomlin, who those in the know say would be 2nd only to Harbaugh if he were to decide to coach again.  A man whose teams do not even compete in the playoffs anymore, got blown out as if they were in a different league---no chance. (Yes, not fired technically, but I think that was just to allow him to save face. That fan base would have been incensed if he was back next year.)

 

Robert Salah, the head coach of the lost and confused hapless Jets, who looked as lost and confused as his team, and so fired in the middle of last season

 

Kevin Stefanski, who led one of the worst teams in the NFL this year and previously

 

Kliff Kingsbury!,

 

(And Mike McDaniel, a good offensive coordinator, who at least has some upside as a head coach still—as his team actually played hard for him late in the season.  I think he becomes a great OC, does that for a year or two, and then becomes a solid head coach. So, I don’t want to group him with the others here.)

 

Maybe I am wrong but I don’t believe in past years that fired NFL coaches with clearly problematic later resumes, coaches of teams that have underperformed, have been painted in such glowing terms and were leading the way for NFL teams in need of a head coach.  Rather, it seems in the past top coordinators and college coaches were the focus, and rightfully so.

 

Look at some of this year’s playoff and up and coming teams: Jacksonville, Houston. Chicago, Seattle, all considered some of the most dynamic, well coached teams in the league now.  (And an on the rise team like New Orleans as well.) No retread, fired head coaches to be  found there,and all former NFL coordinators I think.  But yes, Vrabel, is one fired ex head coach who did well.

 

How discouraging it would have been if the Bills had lost this past week, and McDermott was fired, only to see the Bills going backwards, bringing in a Tomlin! Harbaugh, Salah—McCarthy!! That would have been devastating.

 

(And furthermore, when I read and watch NFL analysis this week the focus should clearly be almost exclusively on the Bills, with a bit thrown in on the other playoff teams. Instead, each day another one of these teams and the fired, re-tread coaches are their focus, day after day. Taking all of the Bills' rightfully earned air time.)

 

 

 

This has been the case in the NFL for decades.  Retread coaches who have no business being rehired as a water boy get hired as a HC. My favorite all time example is Rich Kotite of the Jets and Eagles, but there have been many others. NFL teams are so ultra cautious of taking a chance at new coaches that even a semi competent coach gets a 2nd and 3rd chance. That being said, a few in the crop this year have won a SB. So they get a pass.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Saleh is under rated. His Jets defenses were always pretty good. 

 

The Jets jumped the gun firing him midseason IMO. 

 

And they got a hell of a lot worse without him

Edited January 16 by GunnerBill

[Captain Hindsight]

4 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

McCarthy is the only one I genuinely don't understand. The rest are probably "good enough" that you should at least have interest in them. 

 

Don't forget too that some of this "interest" is just agents strumming up news for their guy

McCarthy had 3 seasons with 12 wins in Dallas. He's a good coach. It would be an uninspiring hire, but he could provide stability to an organization. Make a succession plan with a coordinator you like

[Rocky Landing]

I think it's a pretty varied list, but if you're a team in need of a head coach, where else can you look? With so many teams looking for a new HC, man the competition is brutal! Probably, a team will grab some hotshot college phenom who's going to "revolutionize the game," like Cliff Kingsbury did, lol. There might be a team out there still willing to take Bill Belichick* seriously-- that would be a hoot!. And there will be plenty of current OCs, and DCs getting some interest.

 

Of all the coaches on that list, I would agree that Harbaugh is the most overrated. And the Baltimore fanbase has been calling for his head for a few seasons now, by a much larger margin that McD gets on here.

 

McCarthy is another one where I can't see why a team would put him in consideration. 

 

It'll be interesting to see if Tomlin continues coaching in the NFL, after 19 seasons on the same team. It's a pretty incredible stat that he went his entire 19 years in Pittsburg without coaching a sub-.500 season. I'd love to see what he could do with a team like the Jets.

 

Speaking of the Jets, I honestly think Saleh could have been a successful HC, had he not joined such a dysfunctional organization, whose culture was even further ground into the turf by Aaron Rodgers, who has now seen the demise of three of the head coaches on this list!

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I remember a fired retread coach named Marv Levy … perhaps you remember him too