Harbaugh to the Giants

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Good hire.

 

wonder if Schoen remains. Harbaugh is gonna wield a lot of influence in that building. If things go poorly, Schoen is the first head on the chopping block. 
 

But the Giants don’t lack for talent. That DL should be incredible. Nabers comes back. Harbaugh wins 10 games and WC appearance next season I think. 

They really needed a coach to hold people accountable and not be a stubborn a**hole haha the talent is mostly there though and they were probably too talented to have a top 5 pick this year but here we are 😂.  I think that’s the best Harbaugh fit.  I’m curious who he brings with him.  I guess if he took Orr and monken with him it’s not the end of the world but I think you could do better than that 

Edited January 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They really needed a coach to hold people accountable and not be a stubborn a**hole haha the talent is mostly there though and they were probably too talented to have a top 5 pick this year but here we are 😂.  I think that’s the best Harbaugh fit.  I’m curious who he brings with him.  I guess if he took Orr and monken with him it’s not the end of the world but I think you could do better than that 

I’m not the biggest Monken fan, but we are like a year removed from him having LJ be the back to back first team AP QB and almost being a back to back MVP. He got scapegoated a bit imo. He went away from Henry a bit too much but isn’t the point of having a HoF QB that putting the ball in their hands is never the wrong idea? If you don’t trust Lamar in a big spot to make a play, why are you paying him $70M?

 

Orr is the problem. The Ravens defense has had 2 really bad mid season swoons in a row with ALL of their talent on defense basically. Should be impossible. 
 

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They really needed a coach to hold people accountable and not be a stubborn a**hole haha the talent is mostly there though and they were probably too talented to have a top 5 pick this year but here we are 😂.  I think that’s the best Harbaugh fit.  I’m curious who he brings with him.  I guess if he took Orr and monken with him it’s not the end of the world but I think you could do better than that 

Monken be a good add but Orr got some hate from Ravens fans so that's debatable. Yet Martindale was with the Giants under Daboll and got canned so not sure he'd want to return. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, Urban Achievers said:

True. While I understand the intent, the rule seems to result in demeaning outcomes. 

Not necessarily. 

 

Guys like Raheem Morris or Pierce, who the Giants interviewed had a chance to get in front of the Giants and make their pitch. Perhaps they impressed enough to be offered a job in another role. Sure, it's not the head chair but if Harbaugh needs a DC, easier to pivot to a guy they just had in and were impressed by. Also, what if Harbaugh left without a deal and signed in say Tennessee? Maybe one of those guys would be a fall back option. 

3 hours ago, Avisan said:

I am sure the Giants' leadership was deeply concerned about comments on random message boards.

 

Alternative explanation: they wanted to do due diligence and interview several candidates, and did so in a way that was Rooney rule compliant but without any particular focus on the Rooney rule.

I was saying something of the same spirit in another thread talking about why Joe Brady hasn't been a bigger name mentioned to this point. 

 

First week or two of interviews are all about talking to who is available (guys out of the playoffs, guys who were in a staff where the HC was fired). They also have to complete the Rooney Rule mandates. It's all checking boxes right now. 

 

There's a lot of openings where the guy hired is brought in late. Would make zero sense for a team to make it known they are after a guy still coaching because maybe a team leapfrogs them. 

 

If the Bills get bounced this weekend, Brady's dance card will get full real fast. He's already been requested two places. And the one place that's filling the HC job now, he likely wasn't a candidate for. No way they could sell another Bills OC after Daboll. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Not necessarily. 

 

Guys like Raheem Morris or Pierce, who the Giants interviewed had a chance to get in front of the Giants and make their pitch. Perhaps they impressed enough to be offered a job in another role. Sure, it's not the head chair but if Harbaugh needs a DC, easier to pivot to a guy they just had in and were impressed by. Also, what if Harbaugh left without a deal and signed in say Tennessee? Maybe one of those guys would be a fall back option. 

I was saying something of the same spirit in another thread talking about why Joe Brady hasn't been a bigger name mentioned to this point. 

 

First week or two of interviews are all about talking to who is available (guys out of the playoffs, guys who were in a staff where the HC was fired). They also have to complete the Rooney Rule mandates. It's all checking boxes right now. 

 

There's a lot of openings where the guy hired is brought in late. Would make zero sense for a team to make it known they are after a guy still coaching because maybe a team leapfrogs them. 

 

If the Bills get bounced this weekend, Brady's dance card will get full real fast. He's already been requested two places. And the one place that's filling the HC job now, he likely wasn't a candidate for. No way they could sell another Bills OC after Daboll. 

Honestly the places linked to interviewing him so far Baltimore and Miami are pretty good fits for him on paper. Miami is interesting id wanna keep weaver if I was the coach coming in but I feel like that rarely happens 

 

demoting McDaniel to OC would be kinda  cool but no way that would ever happen 😂

Edited January 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BeyondTheProcess]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He was and the Giants already gave a vote of confidence in Schoen staying.  Maybe you get another Whaley/McDermott situation but I doubt it.

Schoen will be nothing chief scout and cap manager and make sure the equipment gets on the plane.  Harbaugh will be the boss. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m not the biggest Monken fan, but we are like a year removed from him having LJ be the back to back first team AP QB and almost being a back to back MVP. He got scapegoated a bit imo. He went away from Henry a bit too much but isn’t the point of having a HoF QB that putting the ball in their hands is never the wrong idea? If you don’t trust Lamar in a big spot to make a play, why are you paying him $70M?

 

Orr is the problem. The Ravens defense has had 2 really bad mid season swoons in a row with ALL of their talent on defense basically. Should be impossible. 
 

Yea I think Lamar was just disgruntled and woulda hated working with any oc working under Harbaugh at this point.  I never liked Orr much…seems like the offense ends up being the goat when they blow a big lead and nobody looks at the defense for some reason 😂. I’ve seen rumors monken is coming but haven’t seen any about DC so maybe Harbaugh goes a different direction 

 

I gotta say it’s kinda cool that Harbaugh who probably got fired by his qb for protecting a pretty good OC brought that OC with him to a new team if it happens haha 

Edited January 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Whaley. Whatever happened to that guy? Tried to steal the spotlight from Terry on the McDermott signing then kicked to the curb after the Draft. I mean, I really don’t care, just strange how he completely fell off the radar 

 

Apparently, Doug Whaley is the GM for the United Football League.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Whaley

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

23 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Honestly the places linked to interviewing him so far Baltimore and Miami are pretty good fits for him on paper. Miami is interesting id wanna keep weaver if I was the coach coming in but I feel like that rarely happens 

 

demoting McDaniel to OC would be kinda  cool but no way that would ever happen 😂

I agree. His run schemes with with Achane or Henry would be really good. 

 

Personally, I feel like the best fit for Joe would be Atlanta. Robinson, London and if they bring him back, Pitts would feast in his offense.

Edited January 15 by BuffaloBillyG

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree. His run schemes with with Achane or Henry would be really good. 

 

Personally, I feel like the best for for Joe would be Atlanta. Robinson, London and if they bring him back, Pitts would feast in his offense.

Yea that’s a good spot too…Philly would be really interesting for him if they shock fired Sirianni but we’re probably years from that 😂 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea I think Lamar was just disgruntled and woulda hated working with any oc working under Harbaugh at this point.  I never liked Orr much…seems like the offense ends up being the goat when they blow a big lead and nobody looks at the defense for some reason 😂. I’ve seen rumors monken is coming but haven’t seen any about DC so maybe Harbaugh goes a different direction 

 

I gotta say it’s kinda cool that Harbaugh who probably got fired by his qb for protecting a pretty good OC brought that OC with him to a new team if it happens haha 

Yeah it’s actually kinda wild if Harbaugh chose loyalty to Monken over Lamar and the Ravens.

 

I believe the story out of Baltimore is that they were gonna keep Harbaugh if he changed his staff, right?

 

I wonder what Harbaugh feels about Lamar privately. I get why the org chose the QB over the HC. But I wonder if they felt more strongly about Harbaugh, Lamar is playing for Miami or something.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I may be making a huge assumption, that Schoen was part of the interview process

 

Didn't Whaley interview McD?  

 

Like what the Bills did, often when teams get a new coach, they may wait until after the draft as that GM has all their scouting info and if the GM leaves, who else may leave with him so often front office chances occur in May and before you know it other teams may know who you were thinking of drafting.  I believe too for that reason, GM and front office contracts typically expire in May.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah it’s actually kinda wild if Harbaugh chose loyalty to Monken over Lamar and the Ravens.

 

I believe the story out of Baltimore is that they were gonna keep Harbaugh if he changed his staff, right?

 

I wonder what Harbaugh feels about Lamar privately. I get why the org chose the QB over the HC. But I wonder if they felt more strongly about Harbaugh, Lamar is playing for Miami or something.

If there’s truth to any of the rumors I’m sure Harbaugh hated him but kept it professional and tried to keep the peace lol 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

While the past 10 years or so hasn't been good it still doesn't change the fact that the Giants are a solid organization to work for. Since 1986 they have been to 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them. So, 4 Lombardi trophies in the last 40 years is a pretty good record. We would all love that if the Bills had that kind of success. Plus, they took down the evil empire twice on the biggest stage and prevented them from having an undefeated season. I will always be thankful to the Giants for that.

 

The one difference being most of those wins occurred during the Wellington era.  Now you got the kids who learned  the ins and outs of football playing Maddon (throw a little Pacman in there too) running things.

[RiotAct]

Nice.  

 

 

 

 

Could this mean… hear me out… Daboll to the Ravens?!?  

[Urban Achievers]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Not necessarily. 

 

Guys like Raheem Morris or Pierce, who the Giants interviewed had a chance to get in front of the Giants and make their pitch. Perhaps they impressed enough to be offered a job in another role. Sure, it's not the head chair but if Harbaugh needs a DC, easier to pivot to a guy they just had in and were impressed by. Also, what if Harbaugh left without a deal and signed in say Tennessee? Maybe one of those guys would be a fall back option. 

 

You can certainly look at it either way. I of course prefer your more positive take but I feel like some teams do it only as a have-to based on the rule. 

[RyanC883]

ATL did seem more talented to me, but perhaps he really likes Dart.  

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I may be making a huge assumption, that Schoen was part of the interview process

Whaley hired McD and McD shanked him

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

ATL did seem more talented to me, but perhaps he really likes Dart.  

Dart, Nabors, Skattebo, and a solid defense. There's a lot to like on their roster. 

[PoundingDog]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Whaley. Whatever happened to that guy? Tried to steal the spotlight from Terry on the McDermott signing then kicked to the curb after the Draft. I mean, I really don’t care, just strange how he completely fell off the radar 

Whaley stays home in Pittsburgh. Did radio shows for a couple of years. 2022 he competed for the Steelers GM job, lost to Omar Khan. He made to the final round but I never thought he was seriously considered, more of a reward for his work with the Steelers as a scout for long time. 

 

In one interview, someone asked why he isn't working in some front office at some capacity, being a former GM (Buffalo). He answered that the trend in NFL is younger GMs (~40 year old). And people like him (50+ year old) of former GMs will be considered a threat to those young guys. 

 

Anyway, Whaley was considered instrumental in scouting D-line talent for the Steelers. When he came to the Bills, I don't think he did a good job even for the D-Line.