Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said: Oh! That's the beast that the Chroise will ride in on upon his triumphant return to the team! 2 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s a different story and one that I’d agree with. In addition to Beane's spotty draft record, and negligence at WR, he sometimes gets too attached to his own guys leading to bad decisions. The Bernard extension is a perfect example of that. We go in circles about the discussion of how personnel decisions are made at One Bills Drive. I believe the decisions are more collaborative than many people here believe. Specifically to me, Oliver and Bernard are clearly McDermott guys and the fact of their extensions cannot be pinned entirely on Beane. Much was made of McDermott's obvious man-crush on Oliver pre-draft as well as McDermott's friendship with Bernard's college coach, Dave Aranda. 2 hours ago, eball said: I’ll get eyerolls for this, but it amuses me that fans get SO into salary cap discussions and whatnot, knowing there isn’t a damn thing any one of us can do about it and that Beane isn’t reading this forum for advice. Whatever happens happens, and we will all still root for the guys wearing our team’s laundry. Carry on! It's a thought exercise like every discussion on this board and as @FireChans points out, on the grand scale of sports discussions, this is good stuff and reflective of how a poster views the world outside of sports. 1 Quote
boater Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Someone said Waddle trade.... Intra-division trade, filed under things never happening. "The Miami Dolphins received trade offers for WR Jaylen Waddle at the 2025 trade deadline, including a significant package from the Buffalo Bills with a first-round pick, but rejected them, as they wanted more, potentially a 2026 first-rounder. Waddle signed a 3-year, $84.75M extension in 2024, keeping him under contract through 2028" Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: We go in circles about the discussion of how personnel decisions are made at One Bills Drive. I believe the decisions are more collaborative than many people here believe. Specifically to me, Oliver and Bernard are clearly McDermott guys and the fact of their extensions cannot be pinned entirely on Beane. Much was made of McDermott's obvious man-crush on Oliver pre-draft as well as McDermott's friendship with Bernard's college coach, Dave Aranda. Totally fair. I was, and am, all for paying Oliver. Despite his sometimes spotty performance and health, he’s an elite talent. I’ll always throw money at an elite talent and if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. To this day, I have no issue with the Von Miller signing. They took a shot to try to get over the hump. The injuries made it a bad contract but it wasn’t a bad decision. The Bernard situation is different to me. The Aranda angle is a good one and something that hadn’t crossed my mind. He was a productive college player. He just is flawed as a NFL player. On a rookie deal, he was a great bargain. On his current deal, it’s a really bad contract. The Bills are better when he’s off the field. Maybe if they move him off the ball he will be better. I know he’s smart and a good culture guy but he’s a role player. He’s a fringe NFL starter. You can’t pay a premium for that. Edited January 15 by Kirby Jackson 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Totally fair. I was, and am, all for paying Oliver. Despite his sometimes spotty performance and health, he’s an elite talent. I’ll always throw money at an alive talent and if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. To this day, I have no issue with the Von Miller signing. They took a shot to try to get over the hump. The injuries made it a bad contract but it wasn’t a bad decision. The Bernard situation is different to me. The Aranda angle is a good one and something that hadn’t crossed my mind. He was a productive college player. He just is flawed as a NFL player. On a rookie deal, he was a great bargain. On his current deal, it’s a really bad contract. The Bills are better when he’s off the field. Maybe if they move him off the ball he will be better. I know he’s smart and a good culture guy but he’s a role player. He’s a fringe NFL starter. You can’t pay a premium for that. 100%. The Von Miller deal was bad luck. The Bernard extension was bad process. 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: Going with the draft for a WR1 is way too risky IMO (see K Coleman). The draft is often looked at building for the future - they need a WR1 for 2026! Plus Beane said he was already trying to get a big fish in Waddle, for less money he could probably get M Evans or J Jennings with no draft capital spent at all. Seems to me that Beane sees the WR room problem and will address it pronto. Once again, the draft is generally for the future. And this years draft will supply future year players (Hairston, Hawes, etc). The problem we are facing this year is with the wiff on FA WR acquisitions - Palmer and Samuel mostly. This can be fixed if Beane hits this year (M Evans and MHJ work for me). Einstein, just because I live here, Mike Evans is considered god in Tampa like Josh. They’ll never release him even at his age. I know we can always shift more money to signing bonuses, but those quick fixes only last so far. We’ll start to see the plan by Feb.-April. Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted January 15 Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Einstein, just because I live here, Mike Evans is considered god in Tampa like Josh. They’ll never release him even at his age. I know we can always shift more money to signing bonuses, but those quick fixes only last so far. We’ll start to see the plan by Feb.-April. Mike Evans = Lavonte David Quote
Mark Vader Posted January 15 Posted January 15 13 hours ago, NavyBillsFan said: I'm sure Beane has planned to draft 5 full rounds of WR's and then extending as many C rated players he drafted in the past as he can. Right after he rapes the Panthers FA stream...... At this point with Beane, I wouldnt let him flush a toilet without micromanagement. Yeah, I know, he drafted Josh.... Flame on all.... Stop me where Im wrong... Is that you @BullBuchanan? Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Einstein, just because I live here, Mike Evans is considered god in Tampa like Josh. They’ll never release him even at his age. I know we can always shift more money to signing bonuses, but those quick fixes only last so far. We’ll start to see the plan by Feb.-April. Yeah, it would be kind of like the Bills letting Bruce go, or Thurman....wait.. IMO, Tampa already gave Evans a kind of lifetime achievement award contract last time around. It looks like Tampa has planned for this (Ebuka/3rd rounder/Godwin) and I would be surprised if M Evans isn't fully aware. I don't think Tampa wants to sink another $20+M into M Evans - which I think/hope Beane might offer to get it done. And while M Evans is my top choice, there are others Beane could nab J Jennings or B Aiyuk come to mind. I just don't want Beane trying to get a bargain, value WR where the thought is Josh will make him great. Get a proven commodity in here. Quote
machine gun kelly Posted January 15 Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Yeah, it would be kind of like the Bills letting Bruce go, or Thurman....wait.. IMO, Tampa already gave Evans a kind of lifetime achievement award contract last time around. It looks like Tampa has planned for this (Ebuka/3rd rounder/Godwin) and I would be surprised if M Evans isn't fully aware. I don't think Tampa wants to sink another $20+M into M Evans - which I think/hope Beane might offer to get it done. And while M Evans is my top choice, there are others Beane could nab J Jennings or B Aiyuk come to mind. I just don't want Beane trying to get a bargain, value WR where the thought is Josh will make him great. Get a proven commodity in here. On that we can agree not going for the bargain basement options. I sincerely hope you’re right we have the financial gymnastics to get a large acquisition, and then also draft a 1st rd pick. 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Is that you @BullBuchanan? No, but I think it's pretty close, except I expect him to get 2 fringe WR prospects and then load up on front 7 again. Quote
BearNorth Posted January 15 Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bernard situation is different to me. The Aranda angle is a good one and something that hadn’t crossed my mind. He was a productive college player. He just is flawed as a NFL player. On a rookie deal, he was a great bargain. On his current deal, it’s a really bad contract. The Bills are better when he’s off the field. I think the league is moving away from "coverage" linebackers who are on the smallish side [see Milano, Matt & Bernard, Terrel], and toward more robust LB's who can both play in the trenches, but also cover TE's and RB's. Average weight of top 20 LB's this season is 235#, only two; Baun of Philly and Deablo of the Saints are smaller than 230. Bobby Wagner is 241 and still playing at a high level. There are 89 graded LB's and Bernard is 74 and Milano is 76 of those 89. Milano has been improving over the season, but this is two years now for Milano where he's in the bottom 15% of LB's. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15 Posted January 15 14 minutes ago, BearNorth said: I think the league is moving away from "coverage" linebackers who are on the smallish side [see Milano, Matt & Bernard, Terrel], and toward more robust LB's who can both play in the trenches, but also cover TE's and RB's. Average weight of top 20 LB's this season is 235#, only two; Baun of Philly and Deablo of the Saints are smaller than 230. Bobby Wagner is 241 and still playing at a high level. There are 89 graded LB's and Bernard is 74 and Milano is 76 of those 89. Milano has been improving over the season, but this is two years now for Milano where he's in the bottom 15% of LB's. Interesting information!! Thank you for providing it. The pendulum swings Quote
JP51 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 16 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: You may not want Beane to spend on a FA WR but I think the majority of people on this board do. And more importantly I believe Beane has gotten the message and his talk of trading for Waddle indicate Beane is going to aggressively attack the WR room this offseason. Beane has to figure out the finances. Most teams can handle a QB contract and a reasonable amount to a WR1. and the QB contract to me is a hometown discount...17 coulda got more. 1 Quote
corta765 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Im sorry but why do they need $60M of cap space?!? I think we are confusing AAV with cap space. We were looking at WRs the other day. Jefferson for example makes $35M a year and has a $15M cap hit. The Bills will likely be $40Mish under the cap and won’t lose much (maybe one lineman if it makes sense). If they get to $40M they could pretty much bring everyone they want back AND add a star like George Pickens. My thought at WR has been add a Pickers/Dobbs/or Pierce AND also draft a guy round 1-2. Get younger and more talented quickly so for the next 4-5 years WR is no longer an issue. 3 Quote
eball Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: It's a thought exercise like every discussion on this board and as @FireChans points out, on the grand scale of sports discussions, this is good stuff and reflective of how a poster views the world outside of sports. Fair enough, but I guess I just fall on the side that thinks: (a) there's so much manipulation going on that the actual cap number doesn't mean much; and (b) if I do use the information for anything, it's simply to prepare myself for whether or not I think there will be some big splash move. Other than that, I've got lots of other things to think about. Just one man's opinion. 1 Quote
JP51 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, corta765 said: My thought at WR has been add a Pickers/Dobbs/or Pierce AND also draft a guy round 1-2. Get younger and more talented quickly so for the next 4-5 years WR is no longer an issue. This^^^ stop bringing in C receivers and hoping they raise their level to B plus... bring in the commodity pay for it... and draft... bite the bullet on BS contracts... Palmer, Samuel... if you possibly can... 1 Quote
paulmm3 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 If possible I would be up for trading late draft picks to try and get rid of the Dawson Knox and Terrel Bernard contracts so we can extend some of our excellent interior OL. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 11 minutes ago, corta765 said: My thought at WR has been add a Pickers/Dobbs/or Pierce AND also draft a guy round 1-2. Get younger and more talented quickly so for the next 4-5 years WR is no longer an issue. I think that they are adding a number 1 no matter what. Pickens is a 1. Mike Evans MAYBE could be a band aid there for 2 years but that’s it in FA. I think a trade is most likely. There are a bunch of guys that could be moved there. If the Bills end up with a Doubs/Pierce as their signing, they’re going to trade for another or trade up in the first to secure a top end talent. Those guys are 2’s. They aren’t going to run it back next year with high end role players at the top of the depth chart. If they sign Pickens, I don’t think they take a WR in the first. That’s pretty much the only way that 1st round pick isn’t a WR whether through pick or trade. Edited January 15 by Kirby Jackson Quote
JP51 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, paulmm3 said: If possible I would be up for trading late draft picks to try and get rid of the Dawson Knox and Terrel Bernard contracts so we can extend some of our excellent interior OL. I am all for getting out of Bernards contract if we can... Knox I would restructure if I could... he has proven to be valuable when Kincaid inevitably gets hurt... and he will always be hurt... like as he is coming back from one injury he injures something else in practice then reaggravates the original injury and has other parts of his body taking deli tickets to be the next one... in fact if he cannot stay healthy this year 2026 I would seriously think hard about picking up an option. Nice player , good pass catching talent mostly.... but simply unavailable too much Edited January 15 by JP51 Quote
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