This weekend is about the coaches - except Sean?

[folz]

28 minutes ago, Offside Number 76 said:

It does.

 

27 minutes ago, JP51 said:

they are not wrong IMO

 

I'm not saying that Payton isn't a very good coach (he is), but...

 

Payton with Drew Brees as his QB: 15 years together. Yes, they won one Super Bowl, but they also missed the playoffs 6 of 15 years. If we missed the playoffs one year with Josh as our QB, many of you guys would go insane. They made 3 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl in 15 years together. And the Saints also had some last-second heart-breaking playoff losses (and coaching mistakes over those years.). Not to mention that Payton also presided over bountygate. McDermott has made two AFC Championships in 7 years with Josh for comparison (all he would need to match/surpass Payton would be one Super Bowl run over the next 8 years with Josh as his QB). If Josh and McDermott were together for 15 years and won one SB (their only SB appearance), and also missed the playoffs 6 times over that span, yes you would be happy with the SB, but for the next 20 years we would hear that with a better coach, Josh would have won 5 SBs. McD wasted his career, even though they got one. Yet somehow, Payton is a genius and far superior..

 

McDermott's win% with Josh: .674

Payton's win% with Brees: .615

 

McDermott's playoff appearances w/Josh: 7 of 8 years (87.5% of the time)

Payton's playoff appearances with Brees: 9 of 15 years (60% of the time)

 

McDermott got Josh as a raw rookie with a depleted roster. Payton got Brees as a 6th-year player with a pro bowl already under his belt (Saints were 8-8 the year before Payton took over and Brees arrived).

 

Payton and McD have faced each other four times as head coaches, splitting the games. Each with a 2-2 record vs. the other (with McD owning their one playoff matchup).

 

My gut tells me that you guys severely underestimate McDermott, while overestimating Payton at the same time. This is not a lopsided coaching battle. The only reason McD is the only coach not mentioned in the OP is because no other playoff team has a QB like Josh (not because he is the worst coach in the playoffs). 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

Yeah, I honestly think they are assuming that Denver has a massive coaching edge... 

Sean Peyton has a lower win percentage than McDermott

 

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Wow. Talk about an inflated view of Payton and total disrespect to McD. 

 

To be fair, Payton is doing a hell of a job polishing a turd at QB.

[uticaclub]

20 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If you really think about it, McDermott's defenses, even in the playoffs, have consistently been able to confuse and limit these young QBs. 

 

It's basically been Mahomes and Reid that he couldn't confuse enough. That's it. So possible GOAT HC and a HOF QB. 

 

Everyone else we've beaten fairly easily in the playoffs. 

 

The Bengals game was (IMO) about everything that happened over the several weeks prior and the team just being shot. 

The defense couldn’t stop Burrow and Lamar figured it out in the 2nd half last year. If their TE doesn’t have those drops, we lose

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

The defense couldn’t stop Burrow and Lamar figured it out in the 2nd half last year. If their TE doesn’t have those drops, we lose

 

Well, if Coen took an easy 3 early in the game then Allen's TD run in the final minutes would have tied the game

 

AND if the supposed kicker to end all kickers made the FG before halftime Jacksonville would have been up 10 points when Allen got the ball for that final drive instead of 4.

 

You can always go back and do the IF game. 

Edited January 14 by TheFunPolice

[frostbitmic]

Sean Payton's Offense vs Sean McDermott's Defense should make for a fun game.

 

The odd part is the Offensive coach has the better Defense and the Defensive coach has the better Offense.

[uticaclub]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

 

Well, if Coen took an easy 3 early in the game then Allen's TD run in the final minutes would have tied the game

 

AND if the supposed kicker to end all kickers made the FG before halftime Jacksonville would have been up 10 points when Allen got the ball for that final drive instead of 6. 

 

You can always go back and do the IF game. 

Sure, if Coen doesn’t abandon the run game, it also limits Josh’s time of possession.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

Yeah, I honestly think they are assuming that Denver has a massive coaching edge... 

And they don't lol

 

McDermott coach circles around Payton last year

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

In fairness, many of those All Pros are there with his coaching. Not saying they wouldn't be there without him...but he should get some credit.

 

He was also able to turn Tim Settle into a solid player. Something that didn't happen here. He's also had success in the past. Let's not disparage. Guy is a heck of a good coach. 

that is fair— although tim settle looks a lot better on a dline next to Anderson and hunter! 
 

maybe Ryans is a great technician. But his D is very vanilla, maybe because it can be since it is loaded.

 

That said, i also noticed that when they lost Lassiter (their number 2 CB) for a bit, the entire D fell apart. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Because Allen is the one truly elite QB in the bunch. But he's a fool if he doesn't think Sean McDermott isn't a huge factor in the matchup. Bo Nix has to face his defense, which has been confusing young QBs for years.

 

Davis Mills, Zach Wilson, Easton Stick and others tend to disagree as they've all had career days against the Bills. 

 

But in all seriousness, I do agree. McD should be able to own a QB like Bo Nix. He did last year in our 31-7 routing. I'm expecting more of the same from McD/Babich.

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

And they don't lol

 

McDermott coach circles around Payton last year

 

Payton out-coached MCD in the 2023 regular season meeting and won with the hapless Russel Wilson at the helm, as McD made a few huge coaching blunders in that game. So dont get too cocky.

 

But I dont have much belief in Bo Nix so hoping we can repeat the 2024 playoff performance.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

35 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

The defense couldn’t stop Burrow and Lamar figured it out in the 2nd half last year. If their TE doesn’t have those drops, we lose

I mean figuring it out in a half isn’t really enough as far as Lamar is concerned..  we talk all the time about that here with relation to the bills.and that two pointer drop just tied the game with a minute left if he makes the catch. 
 

Lamar has played 5/8 bad quarters against mcd in the playoffs and an injury probably prevented it from being 6/8. 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

41 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

To be fair, Payton is doing a hell of a job polishing a turd at QB.

 

That and getting the #1 seed coming out of the AFC West of all divisions. We havent been able to do that once, even when the rest of our division sucked butt.

 

Give McD Bo Nix and see how his team does... It wouldnt be pretty.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Davis Mills, Zach Wilson, Easton Stick and others tend to disagree as they've all had career days against the Bills. 

 

But in all seriousness, I do agree. McD should be able to own a QB like Bo Nix. He did last year in our 31-7 routing. I'm expecting more of the same from McD/Babich.

 

Payton out-coached MCD in the 2023 regular season meeting and won with the hapless Russel Wilson at the helm, as McD made a few huge coaching blunders in that game. So dont get too cocky.

 

But I dont have much belief in Bo Nix so hoping we can repeat the 2024 playoff performance.

In that 2023 game the bills had more passing yards more rushing yards double the yards per play 

 

What we had was for turnovers and they had one 

 

That's the difference in the game and the Bills lost by two

 

If the bills don't turn it over four times they're whooping them

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

In that 2023 game the bills had more passing yards more rushing yards double the yards per play 

 

What we had was for turnovers and they had one 

 

That's the difference in the game and the Bills lost by two

 

If the bills don't turn it over four times they're whooping them

 

Yeah, we should have had better stats because that Broncos team and Wilson were historically bad.

 

We could way too many Cover-0 blitzes which werent working and let them stay in it. Sean called a really bad time out to ice the kicker, which worked against us as he missed the first one. Then coming out of the time out, we had 12 guys on the field and gave them 5 yards to help make the FG.

 

If the Coach just stays out of the way instead of punching himself in the balls multiple times, we win that game.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Davis Mills, Zach Wilson, Easton Stick and others tend to disagree as they've all had career days against the Bills. 

 

But in all seriousness, I do agree. McD should be able to own a QB like Bo Nix. He did last year in our 31-7 routing. I'm expecting more of the same from McD/Babich.

This is always a weird phenomenon where we lose/almost lose a game against a team with a bad qb and talk like that qb was incredible lol

 

davis mills had 150 passing yards, Zach Wilson has never thrown for more than 154 against the bills in his career

 

Easton stick was alright he had 215 with no passing tds but had a 1 yard rushing td.  He was honestly pretty solid in all his appearances though which is context I don’t think most bills fans have 😂 

Edited January 14 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This is always a weird phenomenon where we lose/almost lose a game against a team with a bad qb and talk like that qb was incredible lol

 

davis mills had 150 passing yards, Zach Wilson has never thrown for more than 154 against the bills in his cater

 

Easton stick was alright he had 215 with no passing tds but had a 1 yard rushing td.  He was honestly pretty solid in all his appearances though which is context I don’t think most bills fans have 😂 

 

Oh, they werent "incredible" by any means. They just had their (relative) best days and looked like competent QBs against us. Instead of crushing these bad QBs, we all too often let them look "decent" and hang around long enough to squeak it out with a FG at the end.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That and getting the #1 seed coming out of the AFC West of all divisions. We havent been able to do that once, even when the rest of our division sucked butt.

 

Give McD Bo Nix and see how his team does... It wouldnt be pretty.

If chiefs or chargers weren’t indifferent towards winning/trying to lose in those last two games, there’s a very good chance the pats woulda  been the 1 seed to be fair.  I certainly ain’t complaining though 😂

[Augie]

Cowherd got us talking about something he said. He will call this a win. He’s been a bit overboard on this topic, to the point that I think he may have learned something from his little sidekick Nick Wright, say anything to rile up Bills fans. It’s good for business. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh, they werent "incredible" by any means. They just had their (relative) best days and looked like competent QBs against us. Instead of crushing these bad QBs, we all too often let them look "decent" and hang around long enough to squeak it out with a FG at the end.

Yea I think my objection was career days haha I’m good with that phrasing.  Mills and Stick honestly played pretty well in the relevant years to this convo.  Mills lit up the jags this year.  His worst game was Denver and that wasn’t much worse than how he played against us….they just won so it seems way different 😂

 

ironically the worst game of mills’ career by far was against the bills 

Edited January 14 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BillMafia716ix]

Denver offense is so inconsistent. I’m expecting Sean McDermott to outclass Sean Payton and Bo Nix.