Big Turk Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) They said Myles Garrett broke the sack record, but that's only because they started keeping sack records as of 1982. Long before that, in 1967, Deacon Jones had 26 sacks. He followed that up in 1968 with 24 sacks. In only 14 games! In an era where they didn't pass the ball as much! Jones achieved his 26 sack season on only 445 passing attempts against, and average of 1 sack per 17.1 PA. He bettered this in 1967 when he got 24 on only 353 pass attempts against, an average of 1 every 14.7 PA. To put this in perspective, Garrett had 17 games to get this record and faced 540 pass attempts against this year, averaging a sack every 23.4 PA. And if you want to say "Well, they didn't have all the game film so Jones numbers were never fully verified", I don't agree but I'll humor that argument, and give you Al Baker from 1978 AS A ROOKIE, who put up 23 sacks (verifiable) in only 350 pass attempts against, an average of a sack every 15.2 PA, well ahead of Garrett's pace, and again, as a ROOKIE. All this to say, great job Myles, you hold a record but only because they don't go back far enough to include the actual record holder, and in terms of sacks per pass attempt against he is well behind those others mentioned. Edited January 6 by Big Turk 9 6 1 1 Quote
Boatdrinks Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) The record setting sack was pretty weak. Maybe not Favre / Strahan bad but not far off. I know , it still counts. Edited January 6 by Boatdrinks 2 1 3 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 Just now, Boatdrinks said: The record setting sack was pretty weak. Maybe not Favre / Strahan bad but not far off. I know , it still counts. Not as weak as the one he got on Allen when his teammate actually touched him but they ruled Allen gave himself up on the play and as Garrett was the closest defensive player to him at the time, he got credit. 6 3 1 Quote
sven233 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 The fact that he got credited for a half sack against us calls the record into question as it is. In no world should he have been credited for anything against us. 5 8 1 Quote
Gregg Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) It's similar with Eric Dickerson being the all-time leading rusher. No disrespect to Eric as 2,105 yards in 16 games in 1984 is a fantastic season but the real gold standard for RB's is OJ's 2,003 yards in 14 games. If OJ played 16 games in 1973 Dickerson wouldn't have the record. Edited January 6 by Gregg 2 2 Quote
BearNorth Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, sven233 said: The fact that he got credited for a half sack against us calls the record into question as it is. In no world should he have been credited for anything against us. Real question is would the stats crew in Buffalo have credited the half sack or was this a bit of "home cooking" Quote
artmalibu Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Wilt never got his due credit for blocked shots either. Oh-well... Quote
Long Suffering Fan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 No disrespect to Deacon Jones - in general, I tend to give more credit to the older generation of players who did what they did without knowing what we know now about nutrition, weights, etc. - but it was literally legal for him to hit his blocker in the head as hard as he could at the start of each play. 7 1 Quote
Virgil Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Imagine if Garrett played on a team that actually took the lead sometimes and forced the other team to be one dimensional with a passing attack. 4 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: No disrespect to Deacon Jones - in general, I tend to give more credit to the older generation of players who did what they did without knowing what we know now about nutrition, weights, etc. - but it was literally legal for him to hit his blocker in the head as hard as he could at the start of each play. It was for every other player for decades too, so why didn't anyone else do what he did? He also had far fewer opportunities to get sacks since they only played 14 games and the passing attempts were much lower. Edited January 6 by Big Turk 5 Quote
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 6 Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, artmalibu said: Wilt never got his due credit for blocked shots either. Oh-well... Not to mention his claim to have slept with 20,000 women. That would have meant that he slept with 1.2 women per day for 45 years without ever repeating a conquest. No wonder his nicknames were “Wilt the Stilt” and “The Big Dipper.” 😀 4 Quote
Bob in STL Posted January 6 Posted January 6 35 minutes ago, Big Turk said: They said Myles Garrett broke the sack record, but that's only because they started keeping sack records as of 1982. Long before that, in 1967, Deacon Jones had 26 sacks. He followed that up in 1968 with 24 sacks. In only 14 games! In an era where they didn't pass the ball as much! Jones achieved his 26 sack season on only 445 passing attempts against, and average of 1 sack per 17.1 PA. He bettered this in 1967 when he got 24 on only 353 pass attempts against, an average of 1 every 14.7 PA. To put this in perspective, Garrett had 17 games to get this record and faced 540 pass attempts against this year, averaging a sack every 23.4 PA. And if you want to say "Well, they didn't have all the game film so Jones numbers were never fully verified", I don't agree but I'll humor that argument, and give you Al Baker from 1978 AS A ROOKIE, who put up 23 sacks (verifiable) in only 350 pass attempts against, an average of a sack every 15.2 PA, well ahead of Garrett's pace, and again, as a ROOKIE. All this to say, great job Myles, you hold a record but only because they don't go back far enough to include the actual record holder, and in terms of sacks per pass attempt against he is well behind those others mentioned. Deacon Jones was great and a Hall of Famer. Deacon also played in the era of the head slap. Deacon was the best at it, the NFL made it illegal in 1977. Deacon would bring his long arm around and slap the tackles helmet right on the ear hole. It could stun them and allow the DE to get a step by the tackle and to the QB, most of the QBs were stand in the pocket types back then too. Different era's. 2 2 Quote
dave mcbride Posted January 6 Posted January 6 51 minutes ago, Big Turk said: They said Myles Garrett broke the sack record, but that's only because they started keeping sack records as of 1982. Long before that, in 1967, Deacon Jones had 26 sacks. He followed that up in 1968 with 24 sacks. In only 14 games! In an era where they didn't pass the ball as much! Jones achieved his 26 sack season on only 445 passing attempts against, and average of 1 sack per 17.1 PA. He bettered this in 1967 when he got 24 on only 353 pass attempts against, an average of 1 every 14.7 PA. To put this in perspective, Garrett had 17 games to get this record and faced 540 pass attempts against this year, averaging a sack every 23.4 PA. And if you want to say "Well, they didn't have all the game film so Jones numbers were never fully verified", I don't agree but I'll humor that argument, and give you Al Baker from 1978 AS A ROOKIE, who put up 23 sacks (verifiable) in only 350 pass attempts against, an average of a sack every 15.2 PA, well ahead of Garrett's pace, and again, as a ROOKIE. All this to say, great job Myles, you hold a record but only because they don't go back far enough to include the actual record holder, and in terms of sacks per pass attempt against he is well behind those others mentioned. I will say that in the 1960s and 1970s, O-linemen were not allowed to hold. By 1960s standards and rules, linemen hold on every play now. 1 1 Quote
Walking Tall Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Of course they gave him the record. They didn’t want Myles to go on a helmet swinging spree. 1 2 Quote
BigDingus Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I'll be honest, I don't really care about any of those numbers prior to sacks being an official stat... especially the ones that can't be verified. Either way, none of them are as impressive to me as Reggie White getting 21 sacks in 12 games. That will NEVER be topped. 4 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Not to mention his claim to have slept with 20,000 women. That would have meant that he slept with 1.2 women per day for 45 years without ever repeating a conquest. No wonder his nicknames were “Wilt the Stilt” and “The Big Dipper.” 😀 I'm not sure how he could even function...he must have been shooting blanks for like the last 19 years 🤣 1 Quote
cle23 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Garrett was also double teamed on over 50% of passing downs. I also have seen 434 passing downs to get the record, not 540. Quote
34-78-83 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Garrett could have 2 sacks this year and he's still far and away the best defensive player in the NFL, and most impactful. Quote
LetJamesCook Posted January 7 Posted January 7 There’s no “not really” to his record at all. The record was 22.5, he got 23. Not his fault they didn’t keep any records for sacks until years after guys played. Congrats to him, wish he was a Bill, he chose the money instead 1 Quote
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