Vrabel whining about the officiating in Bills/Pats

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

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So this is what it's like to be a KC fan or a fan of NE during their dynasty. You win and you're blamed of having the refs on your side. Feels weird. 

[BigAl2526]

He always had a reputation for toughness.  Is it now turning into a reputation for whining?

[Billzgobowlin]

Biggest problem I have with Vrabel's comment was that when he made the claim not a single play comes to mind and to me it just seems like hyperbole.  The refs must have missed calls because we lead the league in holds is the weakest argument ever.  

[BRH]

He knows he has a young and fragile team and if he criticizes them for their play, or even just admits they got beat straight up on their own home field by a team that played better, they might turtle up and cry.

 

So the only thing he can do is bltch about the refs.

 

Say what you want about McDermott, but he's never really stooped to that level.  I'd like to see him work the refs a little more during the game, but maybe he thinks he has better things to do.  Once the game is over it's just an excuse, and he doesn't make excuses.

[Sestak4ever]

Marv said blaming the refs is a losers lament. The league should fine him and any players publicly criticizing the refs. I know officiating is horrendous, but the criticism by coaches and players weakens the league. Fans have every right to complain about the refs. That’s also telling your team you did great and can’t improve, it was the refs fault. Let’s see what he complains about when the Ravens school them this week. Go Bills!!🏈🍻

Edited December 17, 2025 by Sestak4ever
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[PatsFanNH]

His entire point was the lack of consistency from game to game.. I listened to the entire time he was on.. that was his point, if I am unbiased they were horrid the entire game but both ways… the TD call for NE on the first half and thee PI on Jones AND calling it a catch when it was obvious it was picked off… those 2 came right to mind.. but the refs need be consistent and the only consistent thing I have seen is them being inconsistent with calls. 

[paulmm3]

After the UTEP study that came out last summer I'm not convinced the league is on the level. We can at least prove the refs have been biased towards KC beyond anything that could be explained by statistical randomness. And the profit motive is there too as KC games draw tons of viewers and thus revenue for the league.

 

That said, if the league wants to prove to everyone it is on the level, it needs to drastically improve officiating bigly and badly.

[BRH]

26 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

His entire point was the lack of consistency from game to game.. I listened to the entire time he was on.. that was his point, if I am unbiased they were horrid the entire game but both ways… the TD call for NE on the first half and thee PI on Jones AND calling it a catch when it was obvious it was picked off… those 2 came right to mind.. but the refs need be consistent and the only consistent thing I have seen is them being inconsistent with calls. 

 

So to support his "lack of consistency" claim he cites the Bills leading the league in offensive holding, which proves... what, exactly?  And then he doubles down and lies and says the Bills weren't called for offensive holding all game when they HAD A TOUCHDOWN TAKEN AWAY for exactly that call.  Maybe he forgot because the Bills didn't whine about the call.  They just lined up and scored another touchdown.

 

Also, you say it "it was obvious it was picked off" without a shred of evidence to support your contention. The ball was in Shakir's hands first.  It would have been pretty ***** amazing for Jones to catch it first when he wasn't even looking at the ball.  That ball gets called a catch for the offense 10 out of 10 times. We've been on the other side of that before. Find something else.

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

 

So to support his "lack of consistency" claim he cites the Bills leading the league in offensive holding, which proves... what, exactly?  And then he doubles down and lies and says the Bills weren't called for offensive holding all game when they HAD A TOUCHDOWN TAKEN AWAY for exactly that call.  Maybe he forgot because the Bills didn't whine about the call.  They just lined up and scored another touchdown.

 

Also, you say it "it was obvious it was picked off" without a shred of evidence to support your contention. The ball was in Shakir's hands first.  It would have been pretty ***** amazing for Jones to catch it first when he wasn't even looking at the ball.  That ball gets called a catch for the offense 10 out of 10 times. We've been on the other side of that before. Find something else.

 

 

He was pointing out that it was an issue for the bills and even that wasn’t consistently called in that game. 
 

As for the other one it’s called replay over and over again it was picked off and he didn’t catch it but fixated on that because it went for the Bills when I have a clear one against my team to show the refs had been inconsistent.. 

[Psautcsk]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

 

So to support his "lack of consistency" claim he cites the Bills leading the league in offensive holding, which proves... what, exactly?  And then he doubles down and lies and says the Bills weren't called for offensive holding all game when they HAD A TOUCHDOWN TAKEN AWAY for exactly that call.  Maybe he forgot because the Bills didn't whine about the call.  They just lined up and scored another touchdown.

 

Also, you say it "it was obvious it was picked off" without a shred of evidence to support your contention. The ball was in Shakir's hands first.  It would have been pretty ***** amazing for Jones to catch it first when he wasn't even looking at the ball.  That ball gets called a catch for the offense 10 out of 10 times. We've been on the other side of that before. Find something else.

 

 

The Bills have 28 offensive holding penalties this year. Their opponents have had 8. This is the largest discrepancy in the league. If any team should be upset about the lack of offensive holding penalties called against the opposition it is the Bills.

[Success]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

His entire point was the lack of consistency from game to game.. I listened to the entire time he was on.. that was his point, if I am unbiased they were horrid the entire game but both ways… the TD call for NE on the first half and thee PI on Jones AND calling it a catch when it was obvious it was picked off… those 2 came right to mind.. but the refs need be consistent and the only consistent thing I have seen is them being inconsistent with calls. 

 

I just don't see anything as being that egregious - even the Boutte non-catch.  There was debate even at that time - HERE - on whether it would be overturned if challenged.

 

I also don't see how the pick was "obvious."  For starters, it was clearly PI to me - Shakir couldn't get both hands on the ball, because Jones was running into him BEFORE he turned his head.  And it was just obvious PI. I have zero idea why Patriots fans are complaining about that.  He ran into the guy before he turned his head. Textbook.

 

Really, the only call I thought was borderline w/ the PI against Coleman.  But the defender did grab the jersey, as ticky tack as it was.

 

Every game is like that. 

 

Edited December 17, 2025 by Success

[Psautcsk]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I just don't see anything as being that egregious - even the Boutte non-catch.  There was debate even at that time - HERE - on whether it would be overturned if challenged.

 

I also don't see how the pick was "obvious."  For starters, it was clearly PI to me - Shakir couldn't get both hands on the ball, because Jones was running into him BEFORE he turned his head.  And it was just obvious PI. I have zero idea why Patriots fans are complaining about that.  He ran into the guy before he turned his head. Textbook.

 

Really, the only call I thought was borderline w/ the PI against Coleman.  But the defender did grab the jersey, as ticky tack as it was.

 

Every game is like that. 

 

They called Milano for a personal foul on sidelines when he did nothing. The Pats "fans" should be upset with their not so special teams play, allowing the Bills to have great field position. The Pats had a big kickoff return called back because they were holding and they committed a 15 yard facemask penalty on a Bills kickoff return. The Pats did nothing with their punt returns.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I just don't see anything as being that egregious - even the Boutte non-catch.  There was debate even at that time - HERE - on whether it would be overturned if challenged.

 

I also don't see how the pick was "obvious."  For starters, it was clearly PI to me - Shakir couldn't get both hands on the ball, because Jones was running into him BEFORE he turned his head.  And it was just obvious PI. I have zero idea why Patriots fans are complaining about that.  He ran into the guy before he turned his head. Textbook.

 

Really, the only call I thought was borderline w/ the PI against Coleman.  But the defender did grab the jersey, as ticky tack as it was.

 

Every game is like that. 

 

Let me make clear I am NOT complaining about it just pointed to it like the Boutte catch.. IMO bad obvious calls.. 

[pennstate10]

The ball to Shakir could have been called a catch or an int. It was close. When they hit the ground Shakir has it but the ball is in process of being ripped away. So I could see either call. 
 

What was crystal clear is that it was PI. DB contacts and impedes Shakir, and wasn’t playing the ball when he first contacts Shakir. You can argue that point but you’d be wrong. It’s pretty clear. 

[ScotSHO]

2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

The ball to Shakir could have been called a catch or an int. It was close. When they hit the ground Shakir has it but the ball is in process of being ripped away. So I could see either call. 
 

What was crystal clear is that it was PI. DB contacts and impedes Shakir, and wasn’t playing the ball when he first contacts Shakir. You can argue that point but you’d be wrong. It’s pretty clear. 

Agreed, that was a PI.  Brady made a career out of under throwing that ball on purpose when he saw man to man to intentionally draw the PI.  The receiver has to play along, and Shakir finally did it in this instance.

 

Pats fans should have recognized that play and said "Oh yeah, looks like Allen is finally starting to watch Brady film.  The Patriot Way, fuk yeah!".

[Sierra Foothills]

9 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

After the UTEP study that came out last summer I'm not convinced the league is on the level. We can at least prove the refs have been biased towards KC beyond anything that could be explained by statistical randomness. And the profit motive is there too as KC games draw tons of viewers and thus revenue for the league.

 

That said, if the league wants to prove to everyone it is on the level, it needs to drastically improve officiating bigly and badly.

 

The UTEP study?

 

[Don Otreply]

I’ve Got an idea, let’s strap Vrabel to the Tua rocket…,

 

😁🍸🚬

[Pete]

5 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

The ball to Shakir could have been called a catch or an int. It was close. When they hit the ground Shakir has it but the ball is in process of being ripped away. So I could see either call. 
 

What was crystal clear is that it was PI. DB contacts and impedes Shakir, and wasn’t playing the ball when he first contacts Shakir. You can argue that point but you’d be wrong. It’s pretty clear. 

Tie goes to WR

[biggerdaddynj]

7 hours ago, Psautcsk said:

They called Milano for a personal foul on sidelines when he did nothing. The Pats "fans" should be upset with their not so special teams play, allowing the Bills to have great field position. The Pats had a big kickoff return called back because they were holding and they committed a 15 yard facemask penalty on a Bills kickoff return. The Pats did nothing with their punt returns.

Rewatched the game today and saw that phantom offsetting Personal Foul call on Milano again.  I didn’t see him do anything at all after he was hit—no retaliation and it didn’t look like he said anything either (like the smart veteran player he is).

Regardless, the best part of this is that when the Pats were supposed to be celebrating wrapping up the division and getting to rest players, their new tough guy head coach who’s supposedly turning around their “culture” is busy whining like a baby instead of owning the loss and explaining why/how his team was completely dominated in the second half.  No class at all. 
 

And, it’s priceless to hear their fans crying too, I forgot how much fun that can be after they lose (almost as much fun as Kermit’s antics on the sidelines).  

Edited December 18, 2025 by biggerdaddynj

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

11 hours ago, biggerdaddynj said:

Rewatched the game today and saw that phantom offsetting Personal Foul call on Milano again.  I didn’t see him do anything at all after he was hit—no retaliation and it didn’t look like he said anything either (like the smart veteran player he is).

Regardless, the best part of this is that when the Pats were supposed to be celebrating wrapping up the division and getting to rest players, their new tough guy head coach who’s supposedly turning around their “culture” is busy whining like a baby instead of owning the loss and explaining why/how his team was completely dominated in the second half.  No class at all. 
 

And, it’s priceless to hear their fans crying too, I forgot how much fun that can be after they lose (almost as much fun as Kermit’s antics on the sidelines).  

What I saw on the Milano offset penalty was a savvy veteran getting a guy to lose his cool. Too bad the refs blew it. Milano just looked right through the guy like he was a tackling dummy. 

It was hilarious. That face was awesome

Edited December 18, 2025 by Uncle Monkeyhead