Jackson hawes ceiling ???

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

One of those boutique wineries that Ontario and New York State seem to be overrun by...🤔🤨

[billsbackto81]

I'm sure he's everything McD and Beane expected, a exceptional blocker to compliment the O line. He's actually turned out to be a great safety valve for Josh when pass plays break down pretty much because they don't pay him any attention. 😅

 

He's a keeper no doubt. Gotta love a specialty guy who loves doing the dirty work others hate. 

 

There's no finesse and his hands are still a question. What there is is an elite knowledge of run concepts, competent ability to engage and finish and eagerness to bury people's faces in the turf.

 

To me his ceiling is a better blocking Dawson Knox. 

[Joe Mama]

Heath Miller of Steelers, or if he could put on weight Larry Brown of Steelers who became an OT.

[Chuck Schick]

I mean, I think what we are seeing is kind of who is going to be for his entire career.

 Maybe an uptick here or there on receptions, but otherwise just a high level blocker who can sneak out and catch a ball every now and then. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

The 4.8 40 is always lingering as to what his ceiling can be.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

10 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Whoever would've thought this previous comment would pick up so much traction 🤣

we have a solid 3 months left of John Stallworth jokes! 

[Coffeesforclosers]

I loved the Jackson Hawes TD play. It was entirely Hawes using his initiative.

 

He's not supposed to do anything but block. So after he blocks his guy into oblivion for four-ish seconds, he's like, wait, the play is still going on? Something's wrong!

 

So he sort of walks underneath the uprights and shows Josh his numbers. Of course nobody on Cinci is assigned him in coverage because he's been blocking for a football eternity.

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

I'm sure he's everything McD and Beane expected, a exceptional blocker to compliment the O line. He's actually turned out to be a great safety valve for Josh when pass plays break down pretty much because they don't pay him any attention. 😅

 

He's a keeper no doubt. Gotta love a specialty guy who loves doing the dirty work others hate. 

 

There's no finesse and his hands are still a question. What there is is an elite knowledge of run concepts, competent ability to engage and finish and eagerness to bury people's faces in the turf.

 

To me his ceiling is a better blocking Dawson Knox. 

 

I agree with most of this but I think there is one other thing worth adding.

Since Day 1 he has absolutely shown a knack for recognizing coverages, finding soft spots and making himself available for Allen when things break down.

He's never going to run by man coverage or present match-up problems for defenses, but his innate understanding of what's happening on the field could make him a more reliable receiving threat than his limited speed would indicate. Maybe sort of the Mack Hollins of TEs.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

we have a solid 3 months left of John Stallworth jokes! 

Kenny Banya would approve of this Buffalo Bills team.  "They're gold!...GOLD!"

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Who is the tight end equivalent of John Stallworth?

Certainly not Kelce...Taylor's had her way with him, if ya catch my drift...

 

EDIT:  Later tonight when there's a knock at my door...

Edited 1 hour ago by Ridgewaycynic2013

[billsbackto81]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I agree with most of this but I think there is one other thing worth adding.

Since Day 1 he has absolutely shown a knack for recognizing coverages, finding soft spots and making himself available for Allen when things break down.

He's never going to run by man coverage or present match-up problems for defenses, but his innate understanding of what's happening on the field could make him a more reliable receiving threat than his limited speed would indicate. Maybe sort of the Mack Hollins of TEs.

Agree. He's got that internal clock that knows when to disengage from his assignment and make himself available as an option if the play called doesn't materialize as expected. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, billsbackto81 said:

Agree. He's got that internal clock that knows when to disengage from his assignment and make himself available as an option if the play called doesn't materialize as expected. 

Heard from the OBD coaches and coordinators: "He's allowed to do that?!  Golly!"

[First Round Bust]

the impact is that he makes Dawson Knox expendable for cap relief..this Hawes-Kincaid are ying-yang run-pass kings and all we need is 3rd TE  depth and Knox is too expensive for 3rd string

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, First Round Bust said:

the impact is that he makes Dawson Knox expendable for cap relief..this Hawes-Kincaid are ying-yang run-pass kings and all we need is 3rd TE  depth and Knox is too expensive for 3rd string

I agree with you …although a number in the Bills media are saying that Knox will sign a new ( cheaper ) deal this offseason …

 

Must admit …Knox had his best game in a long while this past week…but I’d still be looking to get cheaper at TE and put the money into a WR

[billsbackto81]

16 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Heard from the OBD coaches and coordinators: "He's allowed to do that?!  Golly!"

You've never seen players give up on a play? 🙄

[Pecker]

Move him to RT and trade Spencer brown for a second.  Saves about 18 million in cap and gets us a 2 🫠

[bigK14094]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Yeah Beane gets a golf clap for Jackson Hawes.  Never heard of this dude until the Bills drafted him and he's exceeded everything.  He probably could be more involved in the passing game if they need him to be.

4 years at Yale...an Ivy guy, then one at Georgia Tech......found him in the 4 th round I think.  Haven't seen the pro receiving skills yet, but, yes, he can  catch the ball...decent hands.  Best blocking TE around though.  At 260 he likely never runs like a wr though. (Kincaid can)

[skibum]

He's a great blocker, he seems pretty good at sneaking himself open 10 yards downfield, and he has shown good hands so far. I don't think he's much of a route runner, but maybe that can change. He is also not very tall, nor super fast. I don't see him doing Kincaid things, or even Knox things in the receiving game, but he can make a clutch grab when called upon.

 

I think he's going to be a really fantastic role player with a low price tag, and he could be on the roster for a very long time. 

Edited 12 minutes ago by skibum

[Billzgobowlin]

When open he will catch the ball, don't expect more than that.  He was drafted as a blocker

[PoundingDog]

That's a lot of praises here that matches to most traits Kelce has. Yes there is surprise effective, efficient and reliable receiving that no one expected from him in NFL. But at the end o the day, his lack of quickness and natural receiving skills (like contested catches) will ultimately limit his ceiling from a receiving TE perspective. Kelce, even a couple of years ago, is hard to cover one-on-one: overwhelming majority of the LBs don't have his quickness and most of CB/safeties can't match his size. Kincaid, in my mind, will beat almost any LB covering him, but can be beat by some bigger CBs/safeties. I think there are a lot of LBs can cover Hawes one on one, and quite a few safeties can make it really tough for him on contested balls. 

 

With all that said, he's a rookie already exceeded the expectations by a lot. A better assessment will be next year this time to see what kind of improvement he made ... and how he fares when there is more attention paid to him by defenses.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

31 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

You've never seen players give up on a play? 🙄

My indictment is more on the coaching staff, not a player with football sense who knows when to make a play.