Time out on extra point

[Ya Digg?]

Does anyone know why the Bills called a timeout on the extra point after Benford’s pick 6? Was it just a matter of they didn’t get the field goal unit out in the field in time? Trying to clear a spot for Prater? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team need to take a time out on an extra point 

[Tenhigh]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Does anyone know why the Bills called a timeout on the extra point after Benford’s pick 6? Was it just a matter of they didn’t get the field goal unit out in the field in time? Trying to clear a spot for Prater? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team need to take a time out on an extra point 

We have done it on both sides of the ball this year. 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Does anyone know why the Bills called a timeout on the extra point after Benford’s pick 6? Was it just a matter of they didn’t get the field goal unit out in the field in time? Trying to clear a spot for Prater? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team need to take a time out on an extra point 

 

The bills were going to get a delay penalty from celebrating and McDermott used it to save the 5 yds

 

It's debatable if the timeout was more valuable. The extra point makes Cincy have to go for 2 to get within 3....

 

Regardless, setting aside the xp vs the TO, the responsibility still falls on McDermott to not get to that point 

 

 

After Cincinnati scored late I have no idea why they didn't go onside kick. Even if you hold buffalo to a fg, it's still only an 8 point game. There was no real downside for going onside, especially with your season on the line 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kelly to Allen

[boco357]

My thought was McDermott was on camera fumbling with headset.  I think he was trying to see if should go for 2.  Which didnt make sense with xp going up 4.

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

The bills were going to get a delay penalty from celebrating and McDermott used it to save the 5 yds

 

It's debatable if the timeout was more valuable. The extra point makes Cincy have to go for 2 to get within 3....

 

Regardless, setting aside the xp vs the TO, the responsibility still falls on McDermott to not get to that point 

 

 

After Cincinnati scored late I have no idea why they didn't go onside kick. Even if you hold buffalo to a fg, it's still only an 8 point game. There was no real downside for going onside, especially with your season on the line 

 

I get why you don’t onside kick - it is about yardage - it was never about points as it was very doubtful the Bills attempt a long FG in those conditions.

 

The onside kick with a 3% recovery gives the Bills the ball on your side of the 50.  The kickoff put the ball on the Bills 25.

 

Either way you still need the stop - 1 first down finishes the game.  If you onside kick and get the stop - the Bills are punting from midfield to pin you deep with little chance for return - so 30 seconds to go 90+ yards.  Plus if it gets to 4th and 1 or 2 the Bills are more likely to go for it to seal the game - just like at the end of the first half.

 

By kicking off - you have the Bills punting from deeper in their own end and potentially open up a return as the punter has to try and kick it for distance not height.  The Bills are also more likely to punt on 4th and short rather than go for it.  
 

So if you assume a 3% recovery chance, but then either 90 yards with 30 seconds and no timeouts or a chance at getting the ball at the 30 or 40 with 30 seconds left- the yardage is more important to me.  It also changes the Bills approach to getting the 1st down.

 

 

Edited 48 minutes ago by Rochesterfan

[SectionC3]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I get why you don’t onside kick - it is about yardage - it was never about points as it was very doubtful the Bills attempt a long FG in those conditions.

 

The onside kick with a 3% recovery gives the Bills the ball on your side of the 50.  The kickoff put the ball on the Bills 25.

 

Either way you still need the stop - 1 first down finishes the game.  If you onside kick and get the stop - the Bills are punting from midfield to pin you deep with little chance for return - so 30 seconds to go 90+ yards.  Plus if it gets to 4th and 1 or 2 the Bills are more likely to go for it to seal the game - just like at the end of the first half.

 

By kicking off - you have the Bills punting from deeper in their own end and potentially open up a return as the punter has to try and kick it for distance not height.  The Bills are also more likely to punt on 4th and short rather than go for it.  
 

So if you assume a 3% recovery chance, but then either 90 yards with 30 seconds and no timeouts or a chance at getting the ball at the 30 or 40 with 30 seconds left- the yardage is more important to me.  It also changes the Bills approach to getting the 1st down.

 

 

It worked out for Taylor on that one.  Or it least it should have, but for a Superman scramble by Allen.  But I'm with the other guy.  They had to go three and out, anyways.  There's snow all over the place, the balls have been freezing for three hours, and the game was already crazy.  I would have taken the shot at the onsides and sacrificed the 30 +/- yards if I didn't get it knowing that I was in three and out territory anyways.  

[Rochesterfan]

17 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It worked out for Taylor on that one.  Or it least it should have, but for a Superman scramble by Allen.  But I'm with the other guy.  They had to go three and out, anyways.  There's snow all over the place, the balls have been freezing for three hours, and the game was already crazy.  I would have taken the shot at the onsides and sacrificed the 30 +/- yards if I didn't get it knowing that I was in three and out territory anyways.  

 

I hear you - I just believe the onside kick puts you in having to stop the Bills on 4 plays rather than 3.  
 

McDermott had already showed you he was willing to go for it on your side of the 50 multiple times.  I don’t think McD pulls a Reid at his 30 and goes for it.  
 

So for the very slim chance you recover - your defense the weak link - would have had to come up with 4 big stop against the run as I think they go into heavy run mode.

 

To me if it had been under 2 minutes or you had 0 timeouts - onside kick 100%, but you had 2 stops of the clock out of 3 potential plays - I want yardage to give me at minimum a Hail Mary to the endzone and potentially multiple shots.

 

I get it - it’s slippery and the ball is hard, but that is also true on the punt return - so potential of a short punt or if the Bengals player catches it on the run of a nice return versus a high punt that the Bills can try to angle out of bounds or let bounce around.

 

 

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I hear you - I just believe the onside kick puts you in having to stop the Bills on 4 plays rather than 3.  
 

McDermott had already showed you he was willing to go for it on your side of the 50 multiple times.  I don’t think McD pulls a Reid at his 30 and goes for it.  
 

So for the very slim chance you recover - your defense the weak link - would have had to come up with 4 big stop against the run as I think they go into heavy run mode.

 

To me if it had been under 2 minutes or you had 0 timeouts - onside kick 100%, but you had 2 stops of the clock out of 3 potential plays - I want yardage to give me at minimum a Hail Mary to the endzone and potentially multiple shots.

 

I get it - it’s slippery and the ball is hard, but that is also true on the punt return - so potential of a short punt or if the Bengals player catches it on the run of a nice return versus a high punt that the Bills can try to angle out of bounds or let bounce around.

 

 

Totally reasonable. All of it.  My view was based on sitting (standing) there for three hours and being wet (snow melts on you after awhile) and a little cold.  But your “math” is just as fair on this one.