The KC dynasty is over

[Buffalo03]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

It looks like Kelce handing it to him

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One more step closer to finally burying the Chiefs. Enjoying every moment of it.

[In Summary]

Chiefs were better when Jackson Mahomes was a dancing distraction and Swift-Kelce was just a rumor.

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chiefs fans are being ridiculous talking about how Andy Reid needs to retire. I've watched every Chiefs game this year and the coaching in all three phases is still by far the best thing they have going for them. Their biggest problem is talent.

 

Rice is a very good WR, I'd say he's a borderline #1/#2. Kelce is still good but not in his prime obviously. After that is a bunch of JAGs. The IOL is still very good but with Trey Smith's injury they lose that advantage. The OTs have been a MASH unit.

 

The situation on defense is arguably even worse. Chris Jones can turn it on when he really needs to but he is not consistently as dominant as he was in his prime. Nobody else on the DL scares you at all. McDuffie is being forced into a full time outside CB role and he just can't handle big physical WRs. The rest of the secondary is middling. The LBs are good but that's not enough. Spagnuolo is holding that thing together almost entirely on his own.

 

Oh and the one thing nobody wants to talk about... Mahomes has played below his previously elite standard for the past three years. I thought he would bounce back this year but he really hasn't. He misses a ton of wide open deep throws which takes TDs off the board. His on schedule passes are too frequently off target or poorly timed. The last INT last night where everyone is clowning on Kelce, this is the picture at the catch point:

 

 

That is not really a clean drop, that is poor ball placement. It happens to every QB but it's been a bigger problem with Mahomes than anybody talks about. He can still make magic happen with his legs but that isn't sustainable over the course of an entire game, and he no longer has a defense that can keep the opponent down long enough for Mahomes to get into a groove.

 

I don't know what Chiefs fans are watching but the coaching is elevating a mediocre roster and inconsistent QB play, not the other way around.

 

 

I have also watched every Chiefs game and while I agree with you on talent being by far the biggest factor I do think there have been games this year where there offensive gameplan has been really poor and disjointed. Their shotgun run game is dreadful and there are time where they really try and force feed it and get themselves behind the sticks; then they throw way too many deep balls which is exactly what teams want them to do week after week. Is that Mahomes going rogue? Maybe. But they need to cut the deep shots at least in half and they need better concepts to work the middle of the field. I think what you are seeing is that "Kelce find space and turn around" route that was their staple for many years was more about two elite players than it was design because now Kelce is not the same guy it has all but gone from the playbook. Mahomes already has a career high in rushing and rushing TDs and is only one shy of his career record in 1st downs rushing with four games remaining. And that is almost all scrambling. Without it the offense would be stuck in neutral way too often. They still have some of the best trick plays in the game and there is still nobody I'd trust more to call me an offensive play on a critical 3rd down with 4 minutes to go in a ball game than Andy Reid... but some of the fundamentals of their offensive scheme have been broken this year.

 

Matt Nagy is 100% gone after the season. He will be the sacrificial lamb for the offense. I don't know for sure what the responsibility split is between he and Reid but I suspect he does most of the gameplanning even if Andy calls a lot of it on gameday and they just haven't been clever enough. 

 

I will also say on Andy... two weeks in a row big game management errors. Going for it this week, punting in Dallas, both were the wrong call in the situation. He has always had a bit of that in him going back to his Philly days.

 

On the flipside I give Spags huge credit. I think he is turning water into if not wine then at least a refreshing light ale with that defense. He has coached his ass off this year. 

 

I think talk of firing Andy is insane. He has earned the right to go at the time of his choosing. But in the offseason I think they need to go back to the drawing board a bit with that offense. And it starts with finding a way to control the middle of the field again. Because when you don't this offense does not function at the same level.