Let’s talk about this Drake “marvelous “ Maye 😅

[Bookie Man]

[folz]

7 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

How is “he is better than Josh right now” hyperbole?  There is no reasonable argument one could make RIGHT NOW that he isn’t better than Josh.  What am I missing?

 

Doesnt mean he has better resume.  Doesn’t mean he will have better career.

 

It means he is better then Josh this season so far.

 

You could say that Maye currently (in the 2025 season) has better stats than Josh, but that is a much different thing than saying that Maye is currently a better quarterback overall (if that is what you meant). I mean, honestly, if you had to choose a quarterback for your team for the playoffs right now, are you really picking Maye over Josh? (We haven't even seen Maye in a playoff game yet to have any reference.) In a redraft, at this precise moment, are you drafting Maye ahead of Allen? Don't get me wrong, the kid is very good, but to say a second-year player is already better than an elite, 9-year vet, MVP quarterback seems not only premature, but a bit crazy. But let's look at their current overall stats anyhow.

 

Current stats (2025 season):

Maye: 3,731 scrimmage yards, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 71.5% completions, 0 4th-quarter comebacks, 1 game-winning drive. QB rate: 111.9

Allen: 3,241 scrimmage yards, 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 69.1% completion, 2 4th-quarter comebacks, 3 game-winning drives. QB rate: 99.8.

 

Also, Maye has played one more game than Josh at the moment. Josh's current game averages for 2025 are 270 scrimmage yards and 2.5 TDs. So, if we add one more game for Josh at his average, we get: 3,511 scrimmage yards, 33 TDs. Still 220 yards less than Maye (about 17 yards less per game), but with 8 more TDs (about .62 more TDs per game than Maye).

 

And if you are taking team record into account, well, if we win while the Pats are on BYE (at home vs. Cincy) and then beat the Pats in the rematch, we are only one game behind them (with three games to go).

 

I do think Maye is a very good Qb and we will be contending with him and the Pats for the next few years at least, but in no way is he currently a better QB than Allen. He may have better stats at the moment (for this year), but a second-year guy still has a lot to learn, a lot of things he hasn't seen yet, etc., etc.

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Think people are underestimating the talent on their roster 

 

It does not have the look of a championship roster. Then again none of the AFC teams do, so who knows. Usually a championship roster has a difference maker on the DL and a difference maker in the WR room. I don't think New England has either of those. It's a good WR room. It's a good OL (when healthy). Excellent CBs but that's their only position group I would put in the upper echelon of the NFL. The rest of their roster I would put in an average or lower tier. Maye's play and elite level coaching is why they've ripped off 10 wins in a row. With that win streak Vrabel did in year one what McDermott hasn't done in his entire tenure. It is not a 10 win in a row type of roster, I'm confident saying we've had multiple better rosters than that since 2020. The coaching is the biggest difference from last year to this year.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It does not have the look of a championship roster. Then again none of the AFC teams do, so who knows. Usually a championship roster has a difference maker on the DL and a difference maker in the WR room. I don't think New England has either of those. It's a good WR room. It's a good OL (when healthy). Excellent CBs but that's their only position group I would put in the upper echelon of the NFL. The rest of their roster I would put in an average or lower tier. Maye's play and elite level coaching is why they've ripped off 10 wins in a row. With that win streak Vrabel did in year one what McDermott hasn't done in his entire tenure. It is not a 10 win in a row type of roster, I'm confident saying we've had multiple better rosters than that since 2020. The coaching is the biggest difference from last year to this year.

 

With the way the AFC is so wide open.. realistically anybody can do it .. no team is Head and shoulders better in the AFC or NFC than anybody.. even Los Angeles and Philadelphia have their own issues

 

If the Patriots had Josh Allen I would say they would 100% be Super bowl favorites so I think the roster is good enough to win with the top-tier quarterback 

 

I would not say they are Super bowl favorites this year with the second year Drake May who has never been in the playoffs yet.. 

 

If we flip-flopped Allen for Drake Maye.. Patriots are still 11 and 2 if not better and the Buffalo Bills are not 8-5 imo

 

It's not like if we had Drake Maye the bills are 11 and 2... 

 

We have 9 years of McDermott on tape.. there's less than 13 games of this Patriots team of tape.. sometimes it takes a little bit for NFL defenses to understand how to attack a new upstart offense that's playing well 

 

There in a stage where the league has not caught up yet but they always do eventually

Edited 42 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[tigerthelion]

8 hours ago, Billsflyer12 said:

How is “he is better than Josh right now” hyperbole?  There is no reasonable argument one could make RIGHT NOW that he isn’t better than Josh.  What am I missing?

 

Doesnt mean he has better resume.  Doesn’t mean he will have better career.

 

It means he is better then Josh this season so far.

You are not wrong.  Strictly talking about this year only, he has been better than  Mahomes, Allen and Lamar for sure.  Better than just about anyone at QB.  An argument can be made foe Stafford, but who else has an argument?  

Edited 44 minutes ago by tigerthelion

[eball]

8 hours ago, Sweats said:

When i see Maye playing in NE, i see the same style he played at UNC.........throws into tight windows, scrambling threat, dropping dimes, excellent footwork, good mechanics, able to read D's, gets the ball out quick, timing routes, etc.

 

It looks like his OC contributed to his NFL transition by keeping most of his college schemes and thus, simplifying the process for him.

 

I think next year, teams will have caught up to Maye and his OC schemes, but as it sits right now, the rest of the league is just trying to keep pace, without much success, i might add.

I’m a Carolina grad and Maye disappointed me his last season. They got a signature win against Miami and then shat themselves, and Maye did not put the team on his back. He’s a good QB and he’s in a great situation right now, but from what I’ve seen when adversity strikes he hasn’t delivered. Basically everything has gone right for the Pats*** this season. I’m reserving judgment. 
 

[tigerthelion]

7 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Truly asking.. better receivers? Really? Because until this all happened people and the talking heads were saying how the pats needed a true WR1 and how the WR room was one of the worst in the NFL and Diggs was a shadow of his former self.  I thought the Bills WR were considered at least average aren’t they? I think the pats had a better draft class this year than the Bills with 6 to 7 making contributions regularly (or outright starters) and Williams starting to click with Maye as a WR.. 

Diggs would be the best receiver on thw Bills by a good margin.  

[BigAl2526]

Not sure what the significance is, but Maye's first name means a male duck.

[White Linen]

We know the family decently well and some of our other friends and family know them very well.  They are a fantastic family with a long reputation in the Charlotte NC area.  More specifically Huntersville/Lake Norman.

 

They all have work ethic and money isn't the motivation.  They're competitors.  The entire family is well accomplished in sports and they're all huge people.

 

Working hard won't be his problem.  He'll put in the hours.

 

That doesn't always translate but it's usually a common thread among the QB's that make it.  Of course this league is brutal but I'd lean towards this kid having a chance of being really good.

[Scott7975]

The kid is legit. He has some elite skills. Whether he ends up in Josh/Mahommie territory, I think it's too early to say. We will get a better picture next season when he plays first place schedule and teams have more film on him. 

[dayman]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

The kid is legit. He has some elite skills. Whether he ends up in Josh/Mahommie territory, I think it's too early to say. We will get a better picture next season when he plays first place schedule and teams have more film on him. 

Except look at what the first place schedule is shaping up to look like

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, folz said:

 

You could say that Maye currently (in the 2025 season) has better stats than Josh, but that is a much different thing than saying that Maye is currently a better quarterback overall (if that is what you meant). I mean, honestly, if you had to choose a quarterback for your team for the playoffs right now, are you really picking Maye over Josh? (We haven't even seen Maye in a playoff game yet to have any reference.) In a redraft, at this precise moment, are you drafting Maye ahead of Allen? Don't get me wrong, the kid is very good, but to say a second-year player is already better than an elite, 9-year vet, MVP quarterback seems not only premature, but a bit crazy. But let's look at their current overall stats anyhow.

 

Current stats (2025 season):

Maye: 3,731 scrimmage yards, 25 TDs, 6 INTs, 71.5% completions, 0 4th-quarter comebacks, 1 game-winning drive. QB rate: 111.9

Allen: 3,241 scrimmage yards, 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 69.1% completion, 2 4th-quarter comebacks, 3 game-winning drives. QB rate: 99.8.

 

Also, Maye has played one more game than Josh at the moment. Josh's current game averages for 2025 are 270 scrimmage yards and 2.5 TDs. So, if we add one more game for Josh at his average, we get: 3,511 scrimmage yards, 33 TDs. Still 220 yards less than Maye (about 17 yards less per game), but with 8 more TDs (about .62 more TDs per game than Maye).

 

And if you are taking team record into account, well, if we win while the Pats are on BYE (at home vs. Cincy) and then beat the Pats in the rematch, we are only one game behind them (with three games to go).

 

I do think Maye is a very good Qb and we will be contending with him and the Pats for the next few years at least, but in no way is he currently a better QB than Allen. He may have better stats at the moment (for this year), but a second-year guy still has a lot to learn, a lot of things he hasn't seen yet, etc., etc.

I’ll take Allen but I do think Maye is a better passer.  Based on his career, I’ll give Allen the edge in the intangibles department. 
 

Maye is just way more accurate.  I don’t think they’re particularly close in that area tbh.  His ball placement has been impeccable this season.  And let’s not even talk about the deep ball.

 

I haven’t read the thread and probably won’t, but I can already see it now.  Maye throws the deep ball because he has better weapons.  🤣 no.  He’s better because he throws he’s just better in that department. 

7 minutes ago, White Linen said:

We know the family decently well and some of our other friends and family know them very well.  They are a fantastic family with a long reputation in the Charlotte NC area.  More specifically Huntersville/Lake Norman.

 

They all have work ethic and money isn't the motivation.  They're competitors.  The entire family is well accomplished in sports and they're all huge people.

 

Working hard won't be his problem.  He'll put in the hours.

 

That doesn't always translate but it's usually a common thread among the QB's that make it.  Of course this league is brutal but I'd lean towards this kid having a chance of being really good.

What’s my boy Luke up to nowadays??  Forever a legend thanks to that buzzer beater vs UK.  Are you a heel fan?  Big game tonight!!

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If the Patriots had Josh Allen I would say they would 100% be Super bowl favorites so I think the roster is good enough to win with the top-tier quarterback

 

If the Bills had Vrabel and McDaniels we'd be Super Bowl favorites... That's my point. Of course Maye wouldn't be doing here what he's doing in New England. But I 100% believe if we had their coaching staff and no other changes, we'd be the ones with the 11-2 record right now. They are just a really well coached fundamentally sound team. That plus a QB who is playing great and just about any team in the NFL is talented enough to be where they are right now.

[Danger Mouse]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It does not have the look of a championship roster. Then again none of the AFC teams do, so who knows. Usually a championship roster has a difference maker on the DL and a difference maker in the WR room. I don't think New England has either of those. It's a good WR room. It's a good OL (when healthy). Excellent CBs but that's their only position group I would put in the upper echelon of the NFL. The rest of their roster I would put in an average or lower tier. Maye's play and elite level coaching is why they've ripped off 10 wins in a row. With that win streak Vrabel did in year one what McDermott hasn't done in his entire tenure. It is not a 10 win in a row type of roster, I'm confident saying we've had multiple better rosters than that since 2020. The coaching is the biggest difference from last year to this year.

They’ve also had a cupcake schedule 

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

They’ve also had a cupcake schedule 

 

So have we though. Practically the entire AFC has a cupcake schedule... It's just a very weak conference. There's no reason we shouldn't be 10-2 at worst right now and in the driver's seat for the #1 seed. That's despite some pretty stark talent deficiencies at several positions on the roster. The reality is that every team in the conference has major deficiencies somewhere, the Pats included.

[Buffalo716]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If the Bills had Vrabel and McDaniels we'd be Super Bowl favorites... That's my point. Of course Maye wouldn't be doing here what he's doing in New England. But I 100% believe if we had their coaching staff and no other changes, we'd be the ones with the 11-2 record right now. They are just a really well coached fundamentally sound team. That plus a QB who is playing great and just about any team in the NFL is talented enough to be where they are right now.

I'm still not 100% sold that Mike vrable is a better Coach than Sean McDermott 

 

He's a player's coach and has players playing hard right now... With an infinitely healthier roster 

 

McDaniels yes I would take him as a millisecond as a offensive coordinator because he's always been considered one of the best in the world

 

But I still think Sean McDermott is going to out coach the Patriots in 2 weeks and I think Sean is severely underrated around here 

 

He's not taking rosters with seven pro bowlers every single year and underperforming... He always maximized players and develops at a insanely high rate

 

Even our pro bowl guys were late round picks or castaways or good players he helped make great like Hyde... Tre White was our pro bowler who we took 27th first round... And his entire prime was derailed by injuries 

 

Poyer was a browns castaway.. hyde was a solid jack of all trades but not elite in GB... Milano was a late round pick ... McDermott got these guys paid and turned them into household names and all pros

 

 

Edited 4 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

8 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Quick - besides Diggs and the occasionally splash player in Hollins, how many of Maye's receivers are household names?

He is benefitting from his OC and no doubt is quite good. But it's a ways to go before comparing him to the top 3 of the league 

I stand by my assertion that RIGHT NOW, AT THIS POINT OF THE SEASON, Maye is playing better than Allen. I didn’t say he WAS better, but he is CURRENTLY playing better. I see I upset a lot of folks in here with that, but I’m sure I’ll still sleep like a baby tonight 😂

[TheBrownBear]

He's absolutely legit and I predict he'll be a future superstar (I mean, he's leading the MVP race, so he may already be there).  Pocket presence, arm strength, ball placement, wheels and off script ability - it's all there.  Averaging 260+ passing yards a game with a mediocre group of playmakers.  The Bills' window isn't closed, but it's a hell of a lot tighter now, and that probably holds true for the rest of Josh's career.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

McDaniels yes I would take him as a millisecond as a offensive coordinator because he's always been considered one of the best in the world

 

What if I told you that McDermott is the reason we don't have a Josh McDaniels caliber OC?

[Buffalo Ballin]

Let them talk their trash. Go ahead.

 

Remember, Drake Maye had it comfortably easy.

 

Our Josh Alien never had that. He had a helluva lot more doubters and trash talkers. People doubted him his entire life. He has to carry dead weight on his shoulders. Drake Maye never had that.

 

When the pressure is on and the moment (and lights) get hot, Josh Allen performed brilliantly. Not sure about Drake Maye.

 

We'll see. We rather Josh Allen on our corner who is proven big lights performer.