Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It tells nothing. YOU literally started this with "most of the people who vocally want him gone". Yeah, I'm vocal that I want him gone. Beyond that you were wrong on every other point.

Guess I wasn't referring to you then, no?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

20 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

They beat the Colts and Pats. They are 6-6.  I guess any team we beat where JA isn’t creating heroics is bad.  That’s a pretty accurate statement for this board. 

I was being super sarcastic btw, I feel when we win there is always a "yea, but" statement and somehow the HC that was just beat is still somehow thought to be better than ours lol

[T.E.]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Doesn’t matter what a fan or any fans think. They have zero impact on changes made or not made in the organization.

They can choose not to go to a new expensive stadium if the team chooses to stay in purgatory. That kinda stuff leads to changes really quick.

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

serious question- how do we know he's a good coach?

 

couldn't basically any HC have similar success w the amount of touchdowns we've scored during Allen's time here?

Serious answer:  You’re already convinced (in your mind) that he’s not a good coach, so I’ll save my time.  You think he sucks, then think that way.  It’s your prerogative.  
 

 

[nedboy7]

51 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I was being super sarcastic btw, I feel when we win there is always a "yea, but" statement and somehow the HC that was just beat is still somehow thought to be better than ours lol

Ha!  My bad 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

They also didn’t play in the era of this chiefs team.  
 

we’ve had one obstacle other than luck.  KC.  Which will go down as one of the greatest dynasties in nfl history.   
 

I was all for firing McDermott and hiring Johnson or Vrabel.  I’m not all for firing McD just to fire him.  Who’s his replacement? McDermott IS a good coach.  He may not be elite, but the backup plan better be good.  If it’s not, we’ve essentially closed the door on Josh ever winning a Super Bowl.  Placing our trust in Pegula to hire the right guys is more laughable that McD winning a Super Bowl.  
 

some people think that having McD as the coach = zero % chance to win a Super Bowl.  I don’t think that’s the case.  Most logical minds that aren’t already harboring ill will towards him would agree.  
 

 

We had KC beat basically 2 times.  We failed because, well, McD.  This notion that fans wanting a new coach also have to come up with the coaches' name is a total fallacy.  That's the GM and owners job (the GM is also a failure here)...but if you want names, Kubiak and Shula are good ones.  McD has demonstrated an inability to win in the playoffs and choke at inopportune times, while scapegoating others.  Hoping he figures it out because he's a good regular season coach (questionable this year) and finally wins a SB if he misses this year (when KC is likely out of the playoffs) is just that, hope.  I'd rather "hope" on another coach .  At least the losses would be different.  Could McD eventually win, sure, but he's had enough of JAs prime.  Time to try another route.  Most logical minds that are not living in afear of a new coach would agree.  

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

51 minutes ago, T.E. said:

They can choose not to go to a new expensive stadium if the team chooses to stay in purgatory. That kinda stuff leads to changes really quick.

Well, purgatory is like 8-9, 7-10 type records where you’re consistently mediocre. Again though, even if the stadium was empty the team still makes a lot of money. The stadium hasn’t been near empty since 2-14 in the early to mid 80’s . I don’t see that happening now. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

To actually answer OP's question:

 

I'd be sad, honestly. I like McD as a human and think he's a rock solid B+ coach, who's been an A- before. I completely acknowledge that there isn't much left in the "what else he can try" bucket. Do not fire him until there is an A-level coaching candidate available, though. I will stand by that. I'll take Year 9 over Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 
 

The months/weeks in-between McD and his replacement will honestly be pretty terrifying, but I'm sure we will find ourselves supporting whoever gets hired regardless of who it is. Like Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 

[DrDawkinstein]

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

We had KC beat basically 2 times.  We failed because, well, McD.  This notion that fans wanting a new coach also have to come up with the coaches' name is a total fallacy.  That's the GM and owners job (the GM is also a failure here)...but if you want names, Kubiak and Shula are good ones.  McD has demonstrated an inability to win in the playoffs and choke at inopportune times, while scapegoating others.  Hoping he figures it out because he's a good regular season coach (questionable this year) and finally wins a SB if he misses this year (when KC is likely out of the playoffs) is just that, hope.  I'd rather "hope" on another coach .  At least the losses would be different.  Could McD eventually win, sure, but he's had enough of JAs prime.  Time to try another route.  Most logical minds that are not living in afear of a new coach would agree.  

 

So, I agree with @NewEra that we missed the boat on the obviously better choices of Vrabel, Johnson, Payton, and Jim Harbaugh. And there arent any top tier candidates left to choose from. And that makes firing McD scary.

 

However, I more so agree with your point that us fans dont need to have the answer ready. The point I always make in that regard is "No one here in December 2016 was talking about Sean McDermott". He was on the radar of a couple people (I think @GunnerBill and a maybe 1 or 2 other deep researchers). But the vast majority of current McD die-hards, who are scared of the risk of moving on, didnt even know the guy existed before we hired him. So let's take that leap and try to improve while we can.

[billsfan89]

On 12/1/2025 at 11:31 AM, Cray51 said:

Ben Johnson is the only Head Coach Hire in the past 5 years I'd take over Sean.  Maybe Sean Payton, however I'm not sure Allen and his scheme would mesh incredibly well.

 

Allen winning his MVP saved McD's seat last year, and frankly cost them a shot at Johnson.  It's the name of the game.

 

I dont see any great candidates out there right now, so I dont think I'd be thrilled to move on from Sean.

 

I think Ben Johnson probably doesn't come here as the expectations would be way too high right out the box and for a first year HC Chicago was an excellent fit. Chicago had this off-season a QB with 3 years plus an option on a rookie deal, an extra high second round pick, tons of cap space, a solid level of overall talent, and all he had to do was win 8-10 games his first year to be a success. 

 

That's far better than Buffalo who would have Super Bowl expectations and limited cap and draft capital to implement what Ben Johnson would have wanted to do. So even had the Bills moved on from McD it isn't 100% they would have taken on Johnson. 

 

Overall I do agree that there's not many coaches that got hired since 2022 (the only time I think you could have reasonably fired McD was after 13 seconds) that I would have hired over McD. There's been a lot of bad hires since 2022. 

[blacklabel]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂this guy out here saying he doesn't have the energy to hate on them but definitely has the energy to misrepresent in support

 

I like to live dangerously. You find some rocks to kick yet? There was a big one out by the highway, someone said it might be a pumpkin tho. Careful out there, fella. Don't pull a Younghoe Koo and kick the turf, aim for the rockpumpkin. 

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

We had KC beat basically 2 times.  We failed because, well, McD. 
 

Yeah McDermott is the only reason we lost all of those gameS vs KC. 👌  whatever you say.

 

 

 

 

This notion that fans wanting a new coach also have to come up with the coaches' name is a total fallacy. 
 

The question wasn’t meant to be answered.  There is no notion that fans wanting a new coach have to come up with a coach.  It’s 💯 irrelevant.  Sure, there are options.  There will always be options.  Some of those options will turn out to be worse than McD.  Some may turn out to be better.  Chances are, if we swing and miss, the window will be closed immediately.  If you already know, via your foolproof crystal ball, that the window is already closed with McDermott as HC, it makes sense why you think he should be fired asap.  I just don’t believe in crystal balls and think that we have a chance with him.  
 

What scares me more than anything, is Terry Pegula making a good decision and hiring the right coach and/or GM.  According to many he’s never hired ONE good coach or GM after 24 seasons of running the Bills and Sabres.  His track record suggests that we’ll end up with downgrades at both positions.  

 

 

 

[RkFast]

Do the Bills MAKE a Super Bowl? Becuase considering this team's history that is very important, especially with this "greatest Bill of all time" talk. Bruce Smith exists, ya know. 

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[DrDawkinstein]

 

22 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

To actually answer OP's question:

 

I'd be sad, honestly. I like McD as a human and think he's a rock solid B+ coach, who's been an A- before. I completely acknowledge that there isn't much left in the "what else he can try" bucket. Do not fire him until there is an A-level coaching candidate available, though. I will stand by that. I'll take Year 9 over Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 
 

The months/weeks in-between McD and his replacement will honestly be pretty terrifying, but I'm sure we will find ourselves supporting whoever gets hired regardless of who it is. Like Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 

 

Great post, Andy.

 

Even as someone who wants McD replaced, I would be bummed. Bummed that even though he broke the drought and rebuilt the culture and organization, his main lasting legacy will be "13 seconds" and the guy who couldnt even get to a Super Bowl with Josh Allen at QB. That honestly makes me sad for him. I wish it would be different, and commented as much in the "Haters" thread.

 

To your point about the candidates, while I dont want a mediocre retread like the ones youve named, I would be willing to take a big risk on an up and coming first-timer like Clint Kubiak.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Great post, Andy.

 

Even as someone who wants McD replaced, I would be bummed. Bummed that even though he broke the drought and rebuilt the culture and organization, his main lasting legacy will be "13 seconds" and the guy who couldnt even get to a Super Bowl with Josh Allen at QB. That honestly makes me sad for him. I wish it would be different, and commented as much in the "Haters" thread.

 

To your point about the candidates, while I dont want a mediocre retread like the ones youve named, I would be willing to take a big risk on an up and coming first-timer like Clint Kubiak.

yeah i don't get feelings over individual bills staff or players tbh

 

fred jackson was one of my all time favorite bills and when he left and gave that interview talking ***** about whaley of all people i was like you know what ***** fred jackson 😂😂

 

strictly laundry for me. like allen is legit my favorite player of all time and i would ship him in a heartbeat if i thought it would get us a SB

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So, I agree with @NewEra that we missed the boat on the obviously better choices of Vrabel, Johnson, Payton, and Jim Harbaugh. And there arent any top tier candidates left to choose from. And that makes firing McD scary.

 

However, I more so agree with your point that us fans dont need to have the answer ready. The point I always make in that regard is "No one here in December 2016 was talking about Sean McDermott". He was on the radar of a couple people (I think @GunnerBill and a maybe 1 or 2 other deep researchers). But the vast majority of current McD die-hards, who are scared of the risk of moving on, didnt even know the guy existed before we hired him. So let's take that leap and try to improve while we can.

There is no point that us as fans have to have an answer.  He made it up.  It was discussion for the sake of discussion.  Our opinion means nothing.  Only Terry’s opinion matters…..and that’s the biggest problem.  That guy hiring the right guy.  
 

i believe we’ll have a chance to win a SB with McD.  I believe there’s a good chance that Terry ****s up and hires the wrong guys that will give us zero chance.

 

if you are already of the opinion that McDermott as HC gives us zero chance to win a SB, so be it.  That’s how you feel and nothing will change your mind.  I’m good with that.  Not trying to change anyone’s mind with something that cannot be proven.  
 

I just see myself as an MCD apologist, but some may disagree.  I just don’t pretend to know things that I cannot know and have an open mind.  

[boyst]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

yeah i don't get feelings over individual bills staff or players tbh

 

fred jackson was one of my all time favorite bills and when he left and gave that interview talking ***** about whaley of all people i was like you know what ***** fred jackson 😂😂

 

strictly laundry for me. like allen is legit my favorite player of all time and i would ship him in a heartbeat if i thought it would get us a SB

Whaley was a POS as a person, though. The entire team knew it. He was amazing and smart at the football business, however. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, boyst said:

Whaley was a POS as a person, though. The entire team knew it. He was amazing and smart at the football business, however. 

i know😂😂that's my point

 

laundry over everything