Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It tells nothing. YOU literally started this with "most of the people who vocally want him gone". Yeah, I'm vocal that I want him gone. Beyond that you were wrong on every other point.

Guess I wasn't referring to you then, no?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

20 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

They beat the Colts and Pats. They are 6-6.  I guess any team we beat where JA isn’t creating heroics is bad.  That’s a pretty accurate statement for this board. 

I was being super sarcastic btw, I feel when we win there is always a "yea, but" statement and somehow the HC that was just beat is still somehow thought to be better than ours lol

[T.E.]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Doesn’t matter what a fan or any fans think. They have zero impact on changes made or not made in the organization.

They can choose not to go to a new expensive stadium if the team chooses to stay in purgatory. That kinda stuff leads to changes really quick.

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

serious question- how do we know he's a good coach?

 

couldn't basically any HC have similar success w the amount of touchdowns we've scored during Allen's time here?

Serious answer:  You’re already convinced (in your mind) that he’s not a good coach, so I’ll save my time.  You think he sucks, then think that way.  It’s your prerogative.  
 

 

[nedboy7]

51 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I was being super sarcastic btw, I feel when we win there is always a "yea, but" statement and somehow the HC that was just beat is still somehow thought to be better than ours lol

Ha!  My bad 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

They also didn’t play in the era of this chiefs team.  
 

we’ve had one obstacle other than luck.  KC.  Which will go down as one of the greatest dynasties in nfl history.   
 

I was all for firing McDermott and hiring Johnson or Vrabel.  I’m not all for firing McD just to fire him.  Who’s his replacement? McDermott IS a good coach.  He may not be elite, but the backup plan better be good.  If it’s not, we’ve essentially closed the door on Josh ever winning a Super Bowl.  Placing our trust in Pegula to hire the right guys is more laughable that McD winning a Super Bowl.  
 

some people think that having McD as the coach = zero % chance to win a Super Bowl.  I don’t think that’s the case.  Most logical minds that aren’t already harboring ill will towards him would agree.  
 

 

We had KC beat basically 2 times.  We failed because, well, McD.  This notion that fans wanting a new coach also have to come up with the coaches' name is a total fallacy.  That's the GM and owners job (the GM is also a failure here)...but if you want names, Kubiak and Shula are good ones.  McD has demonstrated an inability to win in the playoffs and choke at inopportune times, while scapegoating others.  Hoping he figures it out because he's a good regular season coach (questionable this year) and finally wins a SB if he misses this year (when KC is likely out of the playoffs) is just that, hope.  I'd rather "hope" on another coach .  At least the losses would be different.  Could McD eventually win, sure, but he's had enough of JAs prime.  Time to try another route.  Most logical minds that are not living in afear of a new coach would agree.  

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

51 minutes ago, T.E. said:

They can choose not to go to a new expensive stadium if the team chooses to stay in purgatory. That kinda stuff leads to changes really quick.

Well, purgatory is like 8-9, 7-10 type records where you’re consistently mediocre. Again though, even if the stadium was empty the team still makes a lot of money. The stadium hasn’t been near empty since 2-14 in the early to mid 80’s . I don’t see that happening now. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

To actually answer OP's question:

 

I'd be sad, honestly. I like McD as a human and think he's a rock solid B+ coach, who's been an A- before. I completely acknowledge that there isn't much left in the "what else he can try" bucket. Do not fire him until there is an A-level coaching candidate available, though. I will stand by that. I'll take Year 9 over Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 
 

The months/weeks in-between McD and his replacement will honestly be pretty terrifying, but I'm sure we will find ourselves supporting whoever gets hired regardless of who it is. Like Tomlin, McDaniels, or Daboll. 

[DrDawkinstein]

38 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

We had KC beat basically 2 times.  We failed because, well, McD.  This notion that fans wanting a new coach also have to come up with the coaches' name is a total fallacy.  That's the GM and owners job (the GM is also a failure here)...but if you want names, Kubiak and Shula are good ones.  McD has demonstrated an inability to win in the playoffs and choke at inopportune times, while scapegoating others.  Hoping he figures it out because he's a good regular season coach (questionable this year) and finally wins a SB if he misses this year (when KC is likely out of the playoffs) is just that, hope.  I'd rather "hope" on another coach .  At least the losses would be different.  Could McD eventually win, sure, but he's had enough of JAs prime.  Time to try another route.  Most logical minds that are not living in afear of a new coach would agree.  

 

So, I agree with @NewEra that we missed the boat on the obviously better choices of Vrabel, Johnson, Payton, and Jim Harbaugh. And there arent any top tier candidates left to choose from. And that makes firing McD scary.

 

However, I more so agree with your point that us fans dont need to have the answer ready. The point I always make in that regard is "No one here in December 2016 was talking about Sean McDermott". He was on the radar of a couple people (I think @GunnerBill and a maybe 1 or 2 other deep researchers). But the vast majority of current McD die-hards, who are scared of the risk of moving on, didnt even know the guy existed before we hired him. So let's take that leap and try to improve while we can.

[billsfan89]

On 12/1/2025 at 11:31 AM, Cray51 said:

Ben Johnson is the only Head Coach Hire in the past 5 years I'd take over Sean.  Maybe Sean Payton, however I'm not sure Allen and his scheme would mesh incredibly well.

 

Allen winning his MVP saved McD's seat last year, and frankly cost them a shot at Johnson.  It's the name of the game.

 

I dont see any great candidates out there right now, so I dont think I'd be thrilled to move on from Sean.

 

I think Ben Johnson probably doesn't come here as the expectations would be way too high right out the box and for a first year HC Chicago was an excellent fit. Chicago had this off-season a QB with 3 years plus an option on a rookie deal, an extra high second round pick, tons of cap space, a solid level of overall talent, and all he had to do was win 8-10 games his first year to be a success. 

 

That's far better than Buffalo who would have Super Bowl expectations and limited cap and draft capital to implement what Ben Johnson would have wanted to do. So even had the Bills moved on from McD it isn't 100% they would have taken on Johnson. 

 

Overall I do agree that there's not many coaches that got hired since 2022 (the only time I think you could have reasonably fired McD was after 13 seconds) that I would have hired over McD. There's been a lot of bad hires since 2022.