Kill Everybody --- Illegal Order?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The Geneva convention does not apply to drug runners, but I have a very serious question for you, why do you fight to ensure every evil criminal has full protections from their actions but the innocent people they kill you don't care about? 

Most everyone cares about innocent people getting hurt.  That's a straw man and ridiculous on its face.  And there's a questionable premise.  Are drug abusers innocent for the consequences of their actions?  I think they're at least partially culpable.

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

  Are drug abusers innocent for the consequences of their actions?  I think they're at least partially culpable.

 

I have no problem with your statement

 

I think it is absolutely foolish to allow these things to enter the country, as long as we have the ability to attempt to stop it.

At a most simplistic level, that's why we have alcohol laws regarding minors.

We effort to limit supply.

 

The effort is responsible and desired.

They make the choice and they live with the consequences.

 

Still, we don't need to kill helpless people.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I have no problem with your statement

 

I think it is absolutely foolish to allow these things to enter the country, as long as we have the ability to attempt to stop it.

At a most simplistic level, that's why we have alcohol laws regarding minors.

We effort to limit supply.

 

The effort is responsible and desired.

They make the choice and they live with the consequences.

 

Still, we don't need to kill helpless people.

Fair enough except I don't believe blowing up boats is going to work.  As long as demand and price are high, the cartels will find a way.  Emphasis should be on decreasing demand.  The targets are relatively easy to identify.  OD deaths are concentrated in impoverished areas with few decent jobs.

[sherpa]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Fair enough except I don't believe blowing up boats is going to work.  As long as demand and price are high, the cartels will find a way.  Emphasis should be on decreasing demand.  The targets are relatively easy to identify.  OD deaths are concentrated in impoverished areas with few decent jobs.

 

It isn't "blowing up boats."

It is sending a message that if you engage in this murderous activity, you might end your life.

Your call, and removes the claim that such people are "helpless."

 

Free will. Clear consequences.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

It isn't "blowing up boats."

It is sending a message that if you engage in this murderous activity, you might end your life.

Your call, and removes the claim that such people are "helpless."

 

Free will. Clear consequences.

The question  is, will that be effective.  Every other attempt to decrease drug supply has been minimally successful are outright failures.  They'll find another way if they need to.

[sherpa]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The question  is, will that be effective.  Every other attempt to decrease drug supply has been minimally successful are outright failures.  They'll find another way if they need to.

 

It will never be completely effective until these murderous people have other economic opportunities in their own countries, and having the US as an insurance policy prevents that.

The Biden four years set us way back.

 

I get that people here may not share that view, but I would suggest that people here have no idea how big the drug trade and illegal immigration industry is.

That comes from carrying and listening to others who have carried the massive amount of US personnel group from DEA to CIA to a host of others who have done this for years.

 

The average "guy" who posts here has absolutely no idea.

There is no way to stop it without sending a strong message that it will have fatal consequences.

I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

It will never be completely effective until these murderous people have other economic opportunities in their own countries, and having the US as an insurance policy prevents that.

The Biden four years set us way back.

 

I get that people here may not share that view, but I would suggest that people here have no idea how big the drug trade and illegal immigration industry is.

That comes from carrying and listening to others who have carried the massive amount of US personnel group from DEA to CIA to a host of others who have done this for years.

 

The average "guy" who posts here has absolutely no idea.

There is no way to stop it without sending a strong message that it will have fatal consequences.

I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

any estimate in the decrease in OD deaths after a year bombing?  I predict it will be tiny.  Addicts don't give up easily either.  They'll find other highs such as prescription drug abuse.  Many OD's are due to these.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

any estimate in the decrease in OD deaths after a year bombing?  I predict it will be tiny.  Addicts don't give up easily either.  They'll find other highs such as prescription drug abuse.  Many OD's are due to these.

Weak ass response.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Weak ass response.

What is the goal of the bombing?  What is a measurable endpoint?  What percent decrease would you feel would justify the killing and expense?

[sherpa]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

What is the goal of the bombing?  What is a measurable endpoint?  What percent decrease would you feel would justify the killing and expense?

 

I'm surprised you can't answer this.

If you think the US gov and military is aware of your actions, and going to interdict, resulting in certain death, you might exercise your free right decision is a different direction.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I'm surprised you can't answer this.

If you think the US gov and military is aware of your actions, and going to interdict, resulting in certain death, you might exercise your free right decision is a different direction.

I can answer it.  I would think 10 percent would be a reasonable number, if the actions are legal.  I don't think it will be achieved.

 

The history of trump's framing of this action is interesting and important:

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/02/nx-s1-5593069/why-is-president-trump-calling-suspected-smugglers-unlawful-combatants

 

SCOTT ANDERSON: So the term unlawful enemy combatant first came into common usage after the 9/11 attacks as part of arguments the U.S. government advanced as to why members of al-Qaida and the Taliban and related terrorist groups didn't have to be provided with the full bundle of rights and protections that are usually provided to prisoners of war under international law pursuant to the Geneva Conventions and the related treaties in areas of international law.

 

ANDERSON: Arguably, yes, potentially. I mean, Congress has installed a lot of protections since that time, and the Supreme Court has pushed back on some of these interpretations. The reality is the Trump administration would have a very hard time doing that because we have more than two decades of intervening Supreme Court decisions and legislation that would make it very difficult and that set up pretty clear limits on substantial aspects of what the Bush administration did. But it may suggest that they want to push more in that direction than U.S. policy has drifted in the intervening years.

 

 

PFEIFFER: Is there a majority legal view on whether the term is justified in these boat strikes?

ANDERSON: It is, I think, almost the consensus view among outside legal experts that it is not. More than that, and this gets to the use of this term as a way to kind of obfuscate the legal barrier here, most lawyers looking at this say this should not even be viewed through the lens of the law of armed conflict at all because this is not a war. This is the use of military violence against people who would traditionally be viewed as civilians. And in trying to use these sometimes-controversial terms associated with the war on terrorism, the administration is trying to make this all look like just something like the war on terrorism. And the reality is it's something extremely different. You would view this as very close to state-sanctioned murder or targeted killings.

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[BillsFanNC]

Sounds like Quack when he once admitted that Trump never included neo Nazi's and white nationalists in his very fine people comment, in fact he specifically excluded them from the characterization:

 

Well sure, but I know what Trump really thinks.

 

       - Quack, MD

 

😂

 

Back to Kelly, the video was made based on what they thought Trump might do.

 

 

[Andy1]

So if the logic is to execute people in boats who we think are carrying drugs because that will save lives, then the next logical step is to execute those caught at the border who are confirmed to be smuggling drugs into our country because that too will save lives. Then we should also execute the regional and neighborhood dealers confirmed to be selling drugs, because that will also save lives. And let’s make the executions public because then everyone will know what happens to them if they do sell drugs. Sounds like the pro Trump crowd here is all behind that… right?

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

So if the logic is to execute people in boats who we think are carrying drugs because that will save lives, then the next logical step is to execute those caught at the border who are confirmed to be smuggling drugs into our country because that too will save lives. Then we should also execute the regional and neighborhood dealers confirmed to be selling drugs, because that will also save lives. And let’s make the executions public because then everyone will know what happens to them if they do sell drugs. Sounds like the pro Trump crowd here is all behind that… right?

 

This forum gets more and more silly and impossible to read.

To the joy of many, I think my time is limited.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

This forum gets more and more silly and impossible to read.

To the joy of many, I think my time is limited.

Silly? post your legal resume against this one (you'll rarely see maga's vet their ":sources"

https://www.brookings.edu/people/scott-r-anderson/

 

 

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[Wolfgang]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Silly? post your legal resume against this one (you'll rarely see maga's vet there ":sources"

https://www.brookings.edu/people/scott-r-anderson/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

It happened.  Hegseth ordered it.  WH confirms.

https://thehill.com/homenews/5628447-defense-secretary-authorizes-drug-boat-strike/

Edited 47 minutes ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[pennstate10]

9 hours ago, T master said:

No not at all !

 

So you would rather continue to allow these drugs from cartels to come into this country and addict young people to a point of them over dosing and in many cases killing more Americans rather than sending a very strong message to those that would sit right in front of you or your family and watch you die in front of them all in the name of profit for them rather than putting a stop to it .

 

Some times actions have to have a very strong and harsh reaction to send a message to those that take advantage of others like you that don't have a big enough set to stand completely straight up for those that have been effected by things like drugs and the deaths they have caused and let that message be known were done that's it if you do this you WILL GET A ASS WHOOPIN .

 

This "War on Drugs" has been something that this country has been involved in since the late 60's and has only gotten worse so you would rather it continue to kill Americans and not draw a line in the sand to those that profit off American deaths and destruction of lives here because you to are one with TDS and any one he has put in place .

 

SOME TIMES in life very strong decisions need to be made to make things better and kindness can be mistaken for weakness ! Then there are those that have a big set and know what needs to be done to stop those taking advantage of others and actually do it rather than dance around it and talking tough .

Don’t lecture me on the devastation caused by illegal drugs.
I know two young men who have recently died of drug overdoses. One was my cousin’s only son. 

I’m all for harsh penalties, including life sentences, for drug smugglers. 
 

I also believe in the rule of law.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump and Hegseth are following US or international law.

 

They aren’t “strong”.  
 

They’re lawbreakers. Trump has conned the Supreme Court into saying that he isn’t subject to US laws.  But Hegseth and others?  They still are subject to US and international law. Even if Trump preemptively pardons Hegseth (100% chance he will), those pardons mean nothing internationally.  

[Wolfgang]

7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

It happened.  Hegseth ordered it.  WH confirms.

https://thehill.com/homenews/5628447-defense-secretary-authorizes-drug-boat-strike/

 

 

 

And...?

 

Your love for illegal aliens, drugs, lock downs, forced vaccinations, mandatory masks, higher taxes, drug cartels and human traffickers is heart warming...

 

If this was 1776, you would have been a full blooded supporter of the British...

1 minute ago, pennstate10 said:

Don’t lecture me on the devastation caused by illegal drugs.
I know two young men who have recently died of drug overdoses. One was my cousin’s only son. 

I’m all for harsh penalties, including life sentences, for drug smugglers. 
 

I also believe in the rule of law.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump and Hegseth are following US or international law.

 

They aren’t “strong”.  
 

They’re lawbreakers. Trump has conned the Supreme Court into saying that he isn’t subject to US laws.  But Hegseth and others?  They still are subject to US and international law. Even if Trump preemptively pardons Hegseth (100% chance he will), those pardons mean nothing internationally.  

 

 

 

What laws were broken?

 

 

[Homelander]

Reading @BillsFanNC bots complain about big government in 2025. Remarkable.

 

lmao