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[dcinmuncie]

just sucks to see Diggs getting the last laugh it seems

[2003Contenders]

36 minutes ago, mannc said:

The Hollins part is tough to take.  He really didn’t see the field much as a receiver for us last year, but now he’s a featured part of the offense in NE, along with our other cast-off, Diggs.  

I never understood how/why Beane allowed him to go. Aside from his WR and ST roles, he was by all accounts huge in the locker room and a big leader on the team. You can tell that he fills that leadership role for the Pats as well. I can't recall:  was it more a matter that he wanted to leave and never negotiated with the Bills in good faith -- or did the Pats simply outbid for him?

[DapperCam]

42 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

See this shows how you haven’t seen much of Maye play. His completion percentage on long ball is over 74% and the fact you said that on a ball thrown perfectly is hilarious!!  Also it’s an official stat but again showing lack of knowledge they call a pass defended when the guy literally drops the ball. But yet Again he lost the ball when he was putting it away he should have. Kept hold of it.. 

As for Diggs he considers himself elite if you have you hands on it you make the catch.. and he believes that too..

No offense, but you sound like a blind homer. Idk where you are pulling that 74% on the long ball. Is that passes over 20 yards or something? Because that isn’t what I was talking about. I’m talking about 40+ air yards. Those passes are very rarely completed in the NFL. I think Maye was 0/2 on those on the night.

 

And it was a nice pass to Hollins, but he did underthrow him by about 5 yards. Hollins had to slow down and adjust to the ball (it was a great throw considering the distance though).

[Gregg]

We better hope Mougey isn't a good GM. We all laugh at the Jets and for good reason, but they have a lot of draft capital with all of those 1st and 2nd picks they have over the next two drafts. They will have an opportunity to turn it around quickly if they draft well and find their franchise QB. Of course, they could also fail again which is something they are great at. But if they do draft well, they will be a problem for the Bills going forward.

[SCBills]

I just hate that we don’t control our destiny for the division right now. 
 

That Pats game should be for all the marbles - Division and the 1 seed, but as it stands, we’ll be lucky if it’s simply to give us a chance as we have to root for Baltimore in their next game after us .. a game which could be the pivot that decides who makes it between Ravens & Steelers.  
 

All so avoidable with the easiest schedule we may ever have, yet we drop two games to bad teams and the Pats resurgence coincides with, perhaps, THE easiest schedule in football. 

[zow2]

I haven't watched the Pats closely this season until last night, so i had every play under a microscope.  I did not want to believe in Maye, I figured easy schedule, etc....blah blah, blah.   Unfortunately the reports of Maye being the real deal are true.  The guy has all the tools...accuracy, touch passes, big arm throws, has eyes in the back of his head to sense the rush and move up, ability to read the defense, athletic ability, etc..   As Bills fans we are screwed that he's in our division, along with Vrabel who has always worried me whenever we've played against him and same in his coaching era.

Add in a rejuvenated and healthy Diggs along with Mack Hollins who is super valuable player and a locker-room leader, this is not good.  The Pats might go from 4 wins to the #1 seed, which we've coveted.  Unbelievable that we got trounced by New England for 20 years, then KC beats us in the playoffs every year and now we're back to New England again.  

[Livinginthepast]

19 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I never understood how/why Beane allowed him to go. Aside from his WR and ST roles, he was by all accounts huge in the locker room and a big leader on the team. You can tell that he fills that leadership role for the Pats as well. I can't recall:  was it more a matter that he wanted to leave and never negotiated with the Bills in good faith -- or did the Pats simply outbid for him?

Pats paid him more than we offered. By all accounts he loved it in Buffalo and the feeling was mutual. The leadership and fire was so evident. Letting him go (especially to a division rival) was imbecilic. Beane should have been talking to him as soon as the season ended and extending him. Instead he lets him test out the market and go elsewhere? At the very least he should have outbid the Pats to prevent him from going there. He has been a big supporting player in their success this season and the stoking of Maye's confidence.

[Psautcsk]

25 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I never understood how/why Beane allowed him to go. Aside from his WR and ST roles, he was by all accounts huge in the locker room and a big leader on the team. You can tell that he fills that leadership role for the Pats as well. I can't recall:  was it more a matter that he wanted to leave and never negotiated with the Bills in good faith -- or did the Pats simply outbid for him?

Maybe he saw the trajectory of the 2 teams and went where he felt it was best.

5 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I haven't watched the Pats closely this season until last night, so i had every play under a microscope.  I did not want to believe in Maye, I figured easy schedule, etc....blah blah, blah.   Unfortunately the reports of Maye being the real deal are true.  The guy has all the tools...accuracy, touch passes, big arm throws, has eyes in the back of his head to sense the rush and move up, ability to read the defense, athletic ability, etc..   As Bills fans we are screwed that he's in our division, along with Vrabel who has always worried me whenever we've played against him and same in his coaching era.

Add in a rejuvenated and healthy Diggs along with Mack Hollins who is super valuable player and a locker-room leader, this is not good.  The Pats might go from 4 wins to the #1 seed, which we've coveted.  Unbelievable that we got trounced by New England for 20 years, then KC beats us in the playoffs every year and now we're back to New England again.  

It sux

[Luka]

We had our chance, didn't capitalize on it. Now the window has officially closed. Pats have rebuilt and reclaimed the East. So now it's going to be a wild card from here on out if we even get to the playoffs. That's what we get for trusting a middling coaching staff with the best QB in football. Every year he's trying to carry the rest of the team to the promised land and he doesn't make. Now I feel like he's married and golfing and he's probably checked out mentally. Very similar to Aaron Rodgers. 

[dorquemada]

34 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I never understood how/why Beane allowed him to go. Aside from his WR and ST roles, he was by all accounts huge in the locker room and a big leader on the team. You can tell that he fills that leadership role for the Pats as well. I can't recall:  was it more a matter that he wanted to leave and never negotiated with the Bills in good faith -- or did the Pats simply outbid for him?

 

How much do we have invested in JAGs that could have paid Hollins?  Catastrophically stupid decision to blend in nicely with all the others

[Captain Hindsight]

Justin Fields has to be the worst QB I’ve ever seen that has gotten as many chances as he has. The announcers said it was notable he got over 100 yards passing 

[Gregg]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Justin Fields has to be the worst QB I’ve ever seen that has gotten as many chances as he has. The announcers said it was notable he got over 100 yards passing 

 

If they had gotten even a halfway decent game passing from him then maybe they could have pulled off the upset. They played the Pats tougher than I thought they would. 

[Lost]

7 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I haven't watched the Pats closely this season until last night, so i had every play under a microscope.  I did not want to believe in Maye, I figured easy schedule, etc....blah blah, blah.   Unfortunately the reports of Maye being the real deal are true.  The guy has all the tools...accuracy, touch passes, big arm throws, has eyes in the back of his head to sense the rush and move up, ability to read the defense, athletic ability, etc..   As Bills fans we are screwed that he's in our division, along with Vrabel who has always worried me whenever we've played against him and same in his coaching era.

Add in a rejuvenated and healthy Diggs along with Mack Hollins who is super valuable player and a locker-room leader, this is not good.  The Pats might go from 4 wins to the #1 seed, which we've coveted.  Unbelievable that we got trounced by New England for 20 years, then KC beats us in the playoffs every year and now we're back to New England again.  

 

It's not even that the Pats are good again that bothers me.   It's the monumental failure of the three amigos running our organization.    The Pats we watched last night are what the Bills were just a few seasons ago and there's no reason we shouldn't still be that.    After Daboll left,  Mcdermott had a different vision of what he wanted this team to look even though the key pieces he had in place didn't fit that identity.   On offense he wanted to morph us into a ball control run heavy offense despite having one of the most athletic big armed QBs the league has seen.   On defense he wanted a 4 man front that could dominated the line of scrimmage and play zone defense behind it and yet all their guys are totally undersized then we spend 1st round picks on DBs who have no clue how to play zone defense.    Beane's roster management has been abysmal.  We're paying/payed big contracts to guys who haven't contributed nearly anything.  Blown 1st round picks year after year.   Paying Diggs $31 million to leave town despite having nothing to replace him and then he ends up torching us on every team he's been on since.   Brady's playbook must have been drawn up by a 3rd grader.  It's just that bland and predictable. 

 

 Each week that passes leaves me with a growing hatred for these guys.   

[nucci]

I don't understand downplaying what the Pats are doing. Good players, better coaching staff and a QB who is improving. Winning 8 in a row is impressive.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

53 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I never understood how/why Beane allowed him to go. Aside from his WR and ST roles, he was by all accounts huge in the locker room and a big leader on the team. You can tell that he fills that leadership role for the Pats as well. I can't recall:  was it more a matter that he wanted to leave and never negotiated with the Bills in good faith -- or did the Pats simply outbid for him?

It probably has to do with Beanes propensity for doling out one year contracts, and NE gave him a two year deal. 

[SoCal Deek]

To quote John Lennon: “Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans.”

 

The Bills have spent the last half decade chasing the Chiefs, trying desperately to unlock the secret of how to beat them in the playoffs. While we were laser focused on that singular goal other AFC teams ascended. The Patriots are clearly one of them. But at least we still have the Jets and the Dolphins to ignore (at least we did until last Sunday.)

[CirclnWagons]

Are any of the people that absolutely crushed me for saying the pats had a more talented roster than we currently do available to explain how bad the pats are to me again? After last night, I could really use it. I’ve listened to beanes explanation of not mortgaging our future to fill the glaring holes we have right now multiple times and it just doesn’t seem to be helping 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

35 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Pats paid him more than we offered. By all accounts he loved it in Buffalo and the feeling was mutual. The leadership and fire was so evident. Letting him go (especially to a division rival) was imbecilic. Beane should have been talking to him as soon as the season ended and extending him. Instead he lets him test out the market and go elsewhere? At the very least he should have outbid the Pats to prevent him from going there. He has been a big supporting player in their success this season and the stoking of Maye's confidence.

We had to save that cash to re sign Peewee Bernard to a lucrative new deal 

[corta765]

20 minutes ago, nucci said:

I don't understand downplaying what the Pats are doing. Good players, better coaching staff and a QB who is improving. Winning 8 in a row is impressive.

Fear and jealousy. I could really care less, good for them but my annoyance is with my team which has just as good if not better QB (although not by much it looks) anddddd the lack of cohesion across the board.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

We better hope Mougey isn't a good GM. We all laugh at the Jets and for good reason, but they have a lot of draft capital with all of those 1st and 2nd picks they have over the next two drafts.

You're ignoring the 'Woody' factor.  Even more damaging than the brain trust the Bills have at GM and HC.  And the 'learn as you go' OC. 🤨

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And yes, I have been snarky as of late.

Edited 33 minutes ago by Ridgewaycynic2013