Trump Summons Boebart To White House Over Discharge Petition

[Andy1]

5 hours ago, muppy said:

why the pivot then though?

One possible explanation may be that he previously, honestly believed in the “if you’re rich and famous you can do what you want” philosophy which I’ve heard from someone before. A psycho person could believe that and think that nothing would ever stick to them, like Teflon Don. Projection onto their political opponents becomes the strategy. Then at some later time, some attorney knocked some sense into their brain and they realized that sexually assaulting young girls is considered socially unacceptable so the stop the release strategy is adopted. People with twisted brains do things the rest of us would consider illogical. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Andy1

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

One possible explanation may be that he previously, honestly believed in the “if you’re rich and famous you can do what you want” philosophy which I’ve heard from someone before. A psycho person could believe that and think that nothing would ever stick to them, like Teflon Don. Projection onto their political opponents becomes the strategy. Then at some later time, some attorney knocked some sense into their brain and they realized that sexually assaulting young girls is considered socially unacceptable so the stop the release strategy is adopted. People with twisted brains do things the rest of us would consider illogical. 

You must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Good heavens. 

[SCBills]

Absolutely disgusting for the Democrats to be propagandizing like this. 
 

What you can’t see referenced is a deleted tweet by The Democrats official account alluding to Trump spending the Thanksgiving referenced in the tweet with Epstein.  
 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by SCBills

[Homelander]

 

[muppy]

13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Muppinator….he was not convicted of sex crimes. He lost a civil case.  There is a difference, and it’s substantial.    

I did not say in a civil proceeding .  My bad

 

I  am not an esquire but I know the difference between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "by a preponderance of the evidence." Hence  the burden of proof being much lower in a civil case.

 

Either way who wants that on their record?  Nobody

 

I read he wants to dismiss the judgment and absolve himself.

 

WTF

 

SMH He is our POTUS

 

Lord have mercy

 

and for those people who don't know me I am NOT using the Lords name in Vain. I mean it. with every cell in my body

 

Happy Thanksgiving amigo  🙂

 

m

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[muppy]

16 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

 

What the hell, man

this quote is one of the most disgusting things Ive  read in the cesspool. That statement was birthed in the bowels of hell, the insinuations are evil and against the law. 

 

WTAF

 

**BLECH***~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

12 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

You must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Good heavens. 

Take the scales off of your eyes for God's sake 

 

Why is Maxwell being given special treatment? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

41 minutes ago, muppy said:

I did not say in a civil proceeding .  My bad

 

I  am not an esquire but I know the difference between "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "by a preponderance of the evidence." Hence  the burden of proof being much lower in a civil case.

 

Either way who wants that on their record?  Nobody

 

I read he wants to dismiss the judgment and absolve himself.

 

WTF

 

SMH He is our POTUS

 

Lord have mercy

 

and for those people who don't know me I am NOT using the Lords name in Vain. I mean it. with every cell in my body

 

Happy Thanksgiving amigo  🙂

 

m

Everyone has a right to an opinion, and we all know that even with the higher standard of a criminal trial, there are times when innocent people are convicted of crimes they did not commit.  
 

 

The civil justice system is the best we can do, but not all civil cases in all jurisdictions work the same.   The term “ambulance chaser” did not come about because it was based on purity and virtue.  
 

Broadly speaking, the ability for victims to have their day in court for deeds that took place decades ago can be applauded.   The fact that a victim of abuse at the hands of a person in a position of authority (clergy, teacher, scoutmaster etc) can seek some sort of relief is a good thing. 
 

However, it’s also fraught with potential for abuse and manipulation.  I think that’s maybe why, generally, the statute of limitations  isn’t

10, 20, 30 or 50 years.    Getting to the bottom of who did what and when and why becomes increasingly difficult with the passage of time. 
 

In this case, we obviously have different points of view on the situation, plaintiff and defendant.  I respect that, but if the jury incorrectly decided the outcome, Trump is 100% justified in pursuing every recourse available to him, as is his right in the same civil system that awarded the plaintiff a sizable sum of money.  
 

Again, a step back.  Trump says the plaintiff is lying, opts not to settle and takes his chances with a jury.  He then decides to fight the verdict for as long as necessary, regardless of cost.  Liberal people are stunned, can’t believe that others cannot see what is painfully obvious to them. 
 

Meanwhile, Kamala Harris partners with Bill Clinton, who opted to pay a victim who claimed he sexually assaulted her  $800k.  She also partnered with JB, after she stated that she believed the women who accused him of taking liberties with them.  This, of course, after she sought to reinvent SC Justice Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook entries.   She was the chosen one to be President by millions, after gropey Joe, and after Clinton’s wife who stood by her hubby and victim shamed the people who accused him. 
 

SMH indeed. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Trump won't talk to press now. He's really running scared

 

 

[muppy]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Everyone has a right to an opinion, and we all know that even with the higher standard of a criminal trial, there are times when innocent people are convicted of crimes they did not commit.  
 

 

In this case, we obviously have different points of view on the situation, plaintiff and defendant.  I respect that, but if the jury incorrectly decided the outcome, Trump is 100% justified in pursuing every recourse available to him, as is his right in the same civil system that awarded the plaintiff a sizable sum of money.  
 

Again, a step back.  Trump says the plaintiff is lying, opts not to settle and takes his chances with a jury.  He then decides to fight the verdict for as long as necessary, regardless of cost.  Liberal people are stunned, can’t believe that others cannot see what is painfully obvious to them. 
 

SMH indeed. 

having said all that Leo the crux of THIS matter is Naranja. If you really in your heart of hearts think he is innocent that is also your opinion.  You know what I think. He is not  good guy. I question his morals ethics and don't believe much of what he says.  Bottom line is we will always see him differently

 

Based on what evidence you would think that  he is innocent Im not sure.  I tend to believe women who make claims of sexual assault.   I don't wish to elaborate further

 

yes he has the right to appeal.    He did it (MY opinion)  and he wants to win in court and clear his name.  that's a no Brainer for him. Fat chance of that.

 

I'll SMH  back and raise you a hair flip

 

 

 

 

 

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[thenorthremembers]

The longer this nonsense goes on the more I feel like Trump has something to hide.   Getting a little tired of the back and forth.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

Honestly I don't think Trump is protecting himself, he's protecting some power friends. The dems are guilty of this as well.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

having said all that Leo the crux of THIS matter is Naranja. If you really in your heart of hearts think he is innocent that is also your opinion.  You know what I think. He is not  good guy. I question his morals ethics and don't believe much of what he says.  Bottom line is we will always see him differently

 

Based on what evidence you would think that  he is innocent Im not sure.  I tend to believe women who make claims of sexual assault.   I don't wish to elaborate further

 

yes he has the right to appeal.    He did it (MY opinion)  and he wants to win in court and clear his name.  that's a no Brainer for him. Fat chance of that.

 

I'll SMH  back and raise you a hair flip

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t know if Trump did what he is accused of or not.  The outcome of a civil trail on an allegations decades in the past doesn’t move me one way or the other.  In a different, less liberal part of the world, then outcome of the same trial where Trump prevails leaves in the same spot.   Oh, and if Trump is successful in his fight to overturn the verdict, I still won’t know one way or the other….and you’ll still believe. 
 

However….when money, power and politics collide, I am very naturally cynical of who is saying what, and why.    In that regard, Mup, I think I’m pretty much middle of the road on how most people view these things.    
 

As for believing woman who allege sexual assault, I agree with you.   I don’t agree 100% of the time, and again, I view criminal v civil differently. 

 

At the end of the day though, it still seems an awful lot to me like people are willing to look past the glaring issues of their own party while passing judgement on the opposition.  Did Harris partnering with Clinton cause you to sit on the sidelines?  I’m betting no, and I don’t judge that, I just find it sort of interesting.   
 

Oh, and I SMDH! 
 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

                                           

 

 

 

 

[muppy]

13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don’t know if Trump did what he is accused of or not.  The outcome of a civil trail on an allegations decades in the past doesn’t move me one way or the other.  In a different, less liberal part of the world, then outcome of the same trial where Trump prevails leaves in the same spot.   Oh, and if Trump is successful in his fight to overturn the verdict, I still won’t know one way or the other….and you’ll still believe. 
 

However….when money, power and politics collide, I am very naturally cynical of who is saying what, and why.    In that regard, Mup, I think I’m pretty much middle of the road on how most people view these things.    
 

As for believing woman who allege sexual assault, I agree with you.   I don’t agree 100% of the time, and again, I view criminal v civil differently. 

 

At the end of the day though, it still seems an awful lot to me like people are willing to look past the glaring issues of their own party while passing judgement on the opposition.  Did Harris partnering with Clinton cause you to sit on the sidelines?  I’m betting no, and I don’t judge that, I just find it sort of interesting.   
 

Oh, and I SMDH! 
 

 

 

your point is taken

 

You more than anyone know my history in politics. it is  sketchy at best. Meaning minimal.  How many times have I said never again I hate this place WHY do I bother to post here it causes me much anxiety  and grief. 

 

***** PPP

 

BUT then I come in and engage mostly with you my buddy Leonardo El Bratto  You know I value your judgment and your tolerance , dare I say patience and kindness where I am concerned in the political arena. Which in the end was what allowed we to be amigos 

 

PS: do you have any hair on your head to flip when you shake it? I  need a mental visual. por favor. thanks in advance

 

 

 

 

[muppy]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

                                           

 

 

 

 

I'm awaiting the final outcome. Until the Epstein files  are released in full we can't know the full ramifications of what is contained within those files.

 

This subject is nowhere near over . I have no choice but to wait it out and then discuss it more fully once all the files are examined.  Its my logical honest take

 

*shrugs*

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

13 minutes ago, muppy said:

I'm awaiting the final outcome. Until the Epstein files  are released in full we can't know the full ramifications of what is contained within those files.

 

This subject is nowhere near over . I have no choice but to wait it out and then discuss it more fully once all the files are examined.  Its my logical honest take

 

*shrugs*

Don't you think the Biden administration would have used any evidence of trumps wrong doing related to Epstein before the election?

 

They would gladly sacrifice anyone to get Trump.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

your point is taken

 

You more than anyone know my history in politics. it is  sketchy at best. Meaning minimal.  How many times have I said never again I hate this place WHY do I bother to post here it causes me much anxiety  and grief. 

 

***** PPP

 

BUT then I come in and engage mostly with you my buddy Leonardo El Bratto  You know I value your judgment and your tolerance , dare I say patience and kindness where I am concerned in the political arena. Which in the end was what allowed we to be amigos 

 

PS: do you have any hair on your head to flip when you shake it? I  need a mental visual. por favor. thanks in advance

 

 

 

 

Sadly, much less hair to flip then when I was younger.  I consider myself lucky to have gone a good part of my life with flippable hair, now I keep that which remains is cut short.   Oh, and on that note, they come up with a pill to restore hair absent major side effects, I’m taking it.  I may even go full Walking Dead on the line in, jabbing poor Tibsy or Feega in the leg to slow them down so the zombies get them while I get to the front of the line. 

 

On the important stuff, Mup, I think it’s important to push back in a format like this if you disagree, that’s dialogue.   I am the same guy here as I am off the board.  I believe what I believe, still believe I can learn from listening to others with diff opinions and occasionally still do.  #believewithoutquestion simply does not resonate with me.   At the same time, it is indisputable that historically, female victims of abuse were treated horribly, with a system tilted against them.  
 

 I’ve mentioned in the past a liberal friend, well-connected politically who said to me one day—“You and I could fix all this.” and it’s certainly not because of any brilliance on my part (My friend, on the other hand is wicked smaht). We disagree on some things, but on others—many important things—we agree. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 hours ago, Andy1 said:

One possible explanation may be that he previously, honestly believed in the “if you’re rich and famous you can do what you want” philosophy which I’ve heard from someone before. A psycho person could believe that and think that nothing would ever stick to them, like Teflon Don. Projection onto their political opponents becomes the strategy. Then at some later time, some attorney knocked some sense into their brain and they realized that sexually assaulting young girls is considered socially unacceptable so the stop the release strategy is adopted. People with twisted brains do things the rest of us would consider illogical. 

Well, your guy and your crew just preemptively  pardoned family members, associates, hangers on and syndicate members, Andy. All rich, all famous.  Seems that horse has left the barn?

 

Or, maybe it’s just that logic and outrage are situational?  

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

The American people deserve to know why the president is giving aid and comfort to a child sex trafficker 

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well, your guy and your crew just preemptively  pardoned family members, associates, hangers on and syndicate members, Andy. All rich, all famous.  Seems that horse has left the barn?

 

Or, maybe it’s just that logic and outrage are situational?  

So you are saying it's ok for Trump to give aid and comfort to a convicted child sex trafficker because of Biden something, something? 

 

That's some screwed up "logic" 

 

Kind of sickening, really