Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[BananaB]

7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

But mitch comes in and throws with anticipation and completes balls Allen won't throw

Put Mitch in and trade Allen for a kings ransom then. 🙄

[jaybeezee]

8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

It was one game and any reason for why they all played poorly is just more excuses. Chalk it up to one more loss at 6-3 week 10. Better than 6-6 in 2023 and that year Miami was 9-3 at that time...guess what? Buffalo went on to win the division.

 

Perhaps it was the firing of Ken Dorsey and that put some heat under some behinds. Perhaps it was also the hiring of Joe Brady. 

 

Let's just hope the Bills players use this loss to motive them and go on to win more games. 

Should of been the case after the Atlanta loss! We do the same stuff every year. Come into these games completely unprepared and take losses that end up costing us the bye and home field throughout the playoffs. 

 

When are we really gonna learn?? It's all excuses to me at this point. We really got whooped by one of the worst teams in the league on Sunday.

[bigduke6]

maybe Allen wants out.  maybe hes tired of football.  hes got his MVP.  he probably thinks this team will never get a chance at a SB.  hes rich,  his wife is probably drilling into his head to take care of himself on the field so she has somebody in their right mind to retire with.  he looks so unhappy and unenthused this season.  probably nonsense,  but these guys arent robots,  theres more to their lives than football.  i cant say i blame him if this is true.  its just a guess though.  

[Mikie2times]

1. Allen mindsight can get all screwed up. Speculating that it's his wife is silly. He's never developed the mindset for being a pro QB. He wears his emotions. His body language gets impacted. His confidence goes down. We have been seeing that for years with him. Better or worse, that is who he is probably going to be at this point when things aren't going well.

 

2. He's getting hit more and sacked more and pressure more than he ever has. Which impacts point number 1. I also can't draw a line to one thing as a reason for this. His % of throws occurring over 2.5 seconds is not higher this year. So it's easy to say, because he's holding it so long. But he's always held it a long time. He's always bailed pockets early. It's likely a combination of multiple things. 

 

3. Situationally, he isn't being put in a place to be successful. He doesn't have a lot of help in the passing game and they don't lean on the passing game until a time in which the passing game is very vulnerable. Which then exacerbates all of it's issues. It's sort of like, lets run, lets throw screens, lets run again. Oh crap, we are down two scores. PASS! Well, we don't have great WR's and he's taking a lot of hits. So when he's had to throw the ball around, outside of Baltimore, the situation has not been very positive. It all looks reminiscent of the Texans game last year where he was literally getting killed. 

 

I love Josh Allen and can relate to him a lot as far as point one. I'm a fairly sensitive dude, I'm highly competitive, and when I make mistakes it impacts me. My expectations of myself are far greater than what others put on me. That is both a gift and a curse. We see that playing out in Josh when times aren't going well and it's a problem. It's not THE problem, but at his level, being perfect is not attainable and you have to have a short memory. As the leader of this team, you have to set an example for others and be consistent in that example. He has moments where he can overcomes things, but then we see the sulking again. Head down, frustrated, in his head. The team needs to a better job supporting him and helping his play enough to where this doesn't come up as much and he needs to do a better job reflecting on this and growing. He's not fighting his way into the NFL to make a name for himself anymore. He's the reigning MVP and he has time to focus on the mental side (which should also help his golf game as well).     

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

He's not fighting his way into the NFL to make a name for himself anymore. He's the reigning MVP and he has time to focus on the mental side

yes

 

unfortunately the way the team is run doesnt promote this kind of self actualization 

 

it's easy to say 'if i was allen i wouldn't gaf about anything, id just go out and play my game' but realistically he's dealing w a HC that's constantly in the media saying he needs to change the way he plays, a revolving door of untested OCs the current of which is determined to render your abilities as ineffective as possible, and the kind of supporting cast that a respectable franchise wouldn't dare saddle the best QB in the league with...tough to rise above all that

[Alphadawg7]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

well here you go! here's the solution!

 

Its wild how incapable you are at being unbiased on any discussion about Allen.  You know its ok to love Allen, think he is the best player in the NFL, etc and still also be honest about how he is playing right?  Because Allen is my favorite player all time and I think he is already one of the greatest to ever do it and a first ballot HOFer - But I can believe all that and also still acknowledge he was dog 💩 Sunday against Miami, as were a lot of people on the field and in the booth (Brady) Sunday.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its wild how incapable you are at being unbiased on any discussion about Allen.  You know its ok to love Allen, think he is the best player in the NFL, etc and still also be honest about how he is playing right?  Because Allen is my favorite player all time and I think he is already one of the greatest to ever do it and a first ballot HOFer - But I can believe all that and also still acknowledge he was dog 💩 Sunday against Miami, as were a lot of people on the field and in the booth (Brady) Sunday.  

bro

 

i am being unbiased. im telling you allen's play is not the problem and you are not listening. do i need to pull up his stats this season again

[Mikie2times]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

yes

 

unfortunately the way the team is run doesnt promote this kind of self actualization 

 

it's easy to say 'if i was allen i wouldn't gaf about anything, id just go out and play my game' but realistically he's dealing w a HC that's constantly in the media saying he needs to change the way he plays, a revolving door of untested OCs the current of which is determined to render your abilities as ineffective as possible, and the kind of supporting cast that a respectable franchise wouldn't dare saddle the best QB in the league with...tough to rise above all that

I mean, I'm not dismissing his situation at all and I called out the team needing to better support him, which is incredibly obvious. But I can't think of any QB's that are former MVP's who look like Allen does when the chips are down. He can still work on the part he has control over because he doesn't control the rest of it. 

[hondo in seattle]

I take a lot of analysts with a grain of salt.  But I pay attention to Kubiak.  He's a former Navy QB, NFL backup, and college coach. And he doesn't watch Bills games while simultaneously watching 3 other NFL games.  He goes back and watches All-22.  He knows what he's talking about.   

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Im gonna double down and say he retires sooner than later

I’m not discounting the possibility of Josh asking for a trade to a west coast team, to be closer to his bride and to end his career where he grew up … imagine Sean McVeigh getting Josh to replace stafford when he retires in a couple years 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I mean, I'm not dismissing his situation at all and I called out the team needing to better support him, which is incredibly obvious. But I can't think of any QB's that are former MVP's who look like Allen does when the chips are down. He can still work on the part he has control over because he doesn't control the rest of it. 

i mean hes literally the only guy id want out there when the chips are down lol

 

i dont particularly care about his demeanor. i think it's just a narrative. i care about results and he stacks them up

[Mikie2times]

Just now, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I’m not discounting the possibility of Josh asking for a trade to a west coast team, to be closer to his bride and to end his career where he grew up … imagine Sean McVeigh getting Josh to replace stafford when he retires in a couple years 

He's not going to ask for a trade. He's not going to ask for McD to be fired. You can see right thru him with how transparent he is. Winning HERE is what matters to him. I understand that he is a mega star. But that fact is still why he is so special IMO. He's a mega star in a normal person and will never be anything else. 

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think his struggle this year is about 3 things 

 

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3. He's lost faith in something. Be it the skill level of the players around him or maybe Joe Brady and his offense. Maybe it's the things he's asked to do are things you ask a normal QB like Mac Jones to do and he's bored. But he, at least to my eyes, doesn't seem as invested with what is happening on the field as he was. 

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If Josh lost faith in Brady, that would be a HUGE problem. 

 

And maybe the entire offense has lost faith in Brady and that's why people are noticing the OL and Keon not giving 100% effort.  

 

Edited 1 hour ago by hondo in seattle

[notpolian]

He wouldn't be the first athlete to fall apart for a while after getting married.  Plus the Bills ecosystem right now is not the greatest.  Hope he gets out of it sooner than later.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i mean hes literally the only guy id want out there when the chips are down lol

 

i dont particularly care about his demeanor. i think it's just a narrative. i care about results and he stacks them up

You want sulking Allen like the Bengals game, Texans game, Dolphins game? I draw a line at some point with this stuff. He's this entire team, but to say his demeanor is indictive of a leader in some of these moments is garbage. He knows it as well. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

If Josh lost faith in Brady, that would be a HUGE problem. 

 

And maybe the entire offense has lost faith in Brady and that's why people are noticing the OL and Keon not giving 100% effort.  

Aside from the topic of Josh's struggles, I think there is something to that. Most of these guys at the skill positions on offense, Palmer, Samuel, Moore specifically have worked under other OCs in the NFL. They know how they have been used successfully. They know what the issue is. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

You want sulking Allen like the Bengals game, Texans game, Dolphins game? I draw a line at some point with this stuff. He's this entire team, but to say his demeanor is indictive of a leader in some of these moments is garbage. He knows it as well. 

meh

 

sulking is your word. im not offended by the way he looks on the sidelines

[Mikie2times]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

meh

 

sulking is your word. im not offended by the way he looks on the sidelines

Not offended, just not blind. You see the same look from kids missing a shot in basketball. What do you say? It's ok to put your head down. It's ok to isolate and focus on your mistakes. It's not even considered the way to approach failure as a kid. Let alone the MVP of football. You need to let things go. This topic is not why we struggle. It's part of what accelerates things when it gets really bad. Which it rarely does. We don't agree here, so we can move on. It's not the highlight of why we aren't playing well.   

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

bro

 

i am being unbiased. im telling you allen's play is not the problem and you are not listening. do i need to pull up his stats this season again

 

Lol - that is what I mean, you refuse to accept that Allen could ever just have a bad game.  So much so, your rebuttal to how bad Allen played against Miami is to go look at SEASON stats and not just discuss the bad game he actually played Sunday.  Not to mention you want to hide in those season stats and avoid the actual analysis and film study of the games where he played poorly.  And make no mistake about it, he didn't play well in all 3 losses, but he was especially bad against Miami. 

 

 

[Fleezoid]

Hey, the Sabres are playing tonight, 9pm EST.

 

 

Just thought I'd try to cheer everyone up.