Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[kkim0904]

Josh needs to use his leg from 1st Quarter, not when we are behind by 20 points.  Even If he runs for small gain, it will open up the field.

[jaybeezee]

3 hours ago, Casey D said:

But that take is just wrong if you look at the All-22.  Everyone wants to blame the receivers-- and that is now gospel that they suck-- but they are hardly all of the problem.  Josh had plays with easy throws to open guys for first downs--looking right at them-- and did not make the throw.  Inexplicable.

Sports gambling maybe?? Maybe a relative is indebted to the Real Mafia!!

 

Unless its health related regarding Hailee, or a different family member, there really is no excuse to be that off mentally. He's a pro and getting paid a lot of money to do that job. His teammates,  the fans that pay $200 or more for tickets are owed better than this.

 

If he's out of it mentally than sit down and bring in Mitch.

Edited 1 hour ago by jaybeezee

[Sgt. Ski]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

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[BananaB]

Right now I think it’s trust in WRs, system and himself. Brady’s O is getting predictable and every time I listen to him he talks about switching formations to get guys the same looks. So the goal is to give the same guys the same opportunities over and over again. Seems destined to fail at some point. Putting guys in different positions to make plays is way more stressful on defences. 

[BillytheKid]

3 hours ago, Casey D said:

But that take is just wrong if you look at the All-22.  Everyone wants to blame the receivers-- and that is now gospel that they suck-- but they are hardly all of the problem.  Josh had plays with easy throws to open guys for first downs--looking right at them-- and did not make the throw.  Inexplicable.

According to Joe Marino after looking at the All 22 he said they should have thrown the ball more and not run Cook as much because it wasn’t there. Joe Brady said they should have thrown more as well.  
So are Joe Marino and Joe Brady wrong and this guy is right or vice versa? 
Thats part of the problem is not everyone can be right because they contradict each other. 
Everyone thinks they are an expert. 

[jaybeezee]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

   Hey, I stayed in Atlanta for a bit and going from 70 degree house and stepping out into that Georgia sunshine was like walking into a blast furnace. It takes so much out of you fast and I can't imagine running up and down a field if you aren't used to it. That alone would answer a lot. 

NE had no problem whooping up on Tampa in that same heat and sun on the same day.

 

Stop it with the excuses. My brother lives in Ft. Lauderdale and has fo the last 12 years. He was at the game and stated it was hot ,but nothing like it was when we played them the year that it was scorching.

 

We lost to a far inferior team and our QB is part of the problem right now. I know our receivers are not good and most would be back ups or special teamers on other teams, but the all 22 for the most of this year shows that they are open way more than people give them credit for. Our QB isn't seeing them. 

3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

She is doing a Yoko Ono on our John Lennon!!

He'd be a fool and she would be dating one of her costars in a matter of a few years.

 

No matter what, she is a women and women do not want a simp. She got with him because he was a stud. A star qb making lots of money and was becoming the face of a billion dollar empire.

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

A few thoughts:

 

The Josh/Hailee relationship claims are baseless, unsupported, comical.

 

Josh being MVP =|= Josh being infallible. He is missing throws and feeling pressure that is not there. Too many sacks. 

 

It is possible to efficiently run the ball, utilize three TEs, AND have a competent NFL WR pass attack. We have the first two. Our WRs are nice but maybe we do need an alpha and everybody can still eat. 
 

Brady deserves credit for a good run game, but I’m not seeing much support for the argument that he is an innovative or adaptable play-caller. He does appear to suffer from this lacking WR room,

but that’s what happens when everybody eats is your mantra. 
 

What made Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and Sanders such good targets for Josh? In my opinion, it’s their general ability to separate whether that be with speed, route savvy, or both. With Palmer unavailable, Moore underutilized, and Coleman used mostly for jump balls… the struggles are unsurprising. Josh can and has had success in 3 WR sets but now that formation instills fear in no one. 

[zow2]

Aaron Rodgers said it a few years ago, that Josh gets into his own head.   He made that off handed comment during their golf match.  I never forgot it.  I just think Josh loses confidence and his ability to rip the ball into NFL windows or drop it in the bucket.  He not only doesn't trust the receivers,,,but also his own ability reading the defense, his footwork, and he's very concerned about making a mistake which may actually lead to more mistakes (INTs, fumbles, sacks).  A QB like Matt Stafford has a poor series or two, he still comes out and chucks the ball all over the place...even in London when they only had one decent healthy WR and two tight ends that no one ever heard of.  Stafford is mentally strong, maybe the best in the NFL.  Josh struggles a bit with the mental game.   I don't really think it's his wife like some are speculating here.

[26TrapDraw]

22 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

Sports gambling maybe?? Maybe a relative is indebted to the Real Mafia!!

 

Unless its health related regarding Hailee, or a different family member, there really is no excuse to be that off mentally. He's a pro and getting paid a lot of money to do that job. His teammates,  the fans that pay $200 or more for tickets are owed better than this.

 

If he's out of it mentally than sit down and bring in Mitch.

You’re not wrong.

6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

A few thoughts:

 

The Josh/Hailee relationship claims are baseless, unsupported, comical.

 

Josh being MVP =|= Josh being infallible. He is missing throws and feeling pressure that is not there. Too many sacks. 

 

It is possible to efficiently run the ball, utilize three TEs, AND have a competent NFL WR pass attack. We have the first two. Our WRs are nice but maybe we do need an alpha and everybody can still eat. 
 

Brady deserves credit for a good run game, but I’m not seeing much support for the argument that he is an innovative or adaptable play-caller. He does appear to suffer from this lacking WR room,

but that’s what happens when everybody eats is your mantra. 
 

What made Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and Sanders such good targets for Josh? In my opinion, it’s their general ability to separate whether that be with speed, route savvy, or both. With Palmer unavailable, Moore underutilized, and Coleman used mostly for jump balls… the struggles are unsurprising. Josh can and has had success in 3 WR sets but now that formation instills fear in no one. 

I think Kubriak knows more about football than you do and he literally says that Josh’s head is somewhere else. That’s one football saavy guys way of saying Josh needs to focus on football. He obviously is not here right now

[GoBills808]

just way too many dumb conclusions being drawn from that miami game

 

you can't collapse at 6-3

[corta765]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Aaron Rodgers said it a few years ago, that Josh gets into his own head.   He made that off handed comment during their golf match.  I never forgot it.  I just think Josh loses confidence and his ability to rip the ball into NFL windows or drop it in the bucket.  He not only doesn't trust the receivers,,,but also his own ability reading the defense, his footwork, and he's very concerned about making a mistake which may actually lead to more mistakes (INTs, fumbles, sacks).  A QB like Matt Stafford has a poor series or two, he still comes out and chucks the ball all over the place...even in London when they only had one decent healthy WR and two tight ends that no one ever heard of.  Stafford is mentally strong, maybe the best in the NFL.  Josh struggles a bit with the mental game.   I don't really think it's his wife like some are speculating here.

It is why if there was one thing Daboll truly did excel with Josh with over maybe anyone else was mentally slapping him in the head and shaking him out of it. Daboll had a way with Josh that he could be real and Josh would listen. Maybe it was the age difference/experience that allowed a different connection where Dorsey/Brady were much younger by comparison, but even in 2021 when they were shaky for a bit Josh did seem to have such high/low times. If anything Hailee it seemed helped him break out of that especially last year and he said as much.

 

I truly believe the Bills not adding anyone mixed with the win of KC had a mental effect on everyone where they looked down on Miami who came out ready to fight AND in Joshs case not receiving help may have led to a "I gotta do it all type thing".

[US Egg]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

just way too many dumb conclusions being drawn from that miami game

[Mango]

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

Maybe McDermott can hook him up with his new optometrist.

 

Jameis Winston has entered the chat....

[Mrbojanglezs]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I'm really starting to wonder if Haillee's mental health struggles with the changes happening being married that she talked about aren't starting to negatively effect Josh.

 

Could be if she's not sleeping well that will be rubbing off on Josh. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Could be if she's not sleeping well that will be rubbing off on Josh. 

 

It was far deeper than that.

[SoonerBillsFan]

48 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Right now I think it’s trust in WRs, system and himself. Brady’s O is getting predictable and every time I listen to him he talks about switching formations to get guys the same looks. So the goal is to give the same guys the same opportunities over and over again. Seems destined to fail at some point. Putting guys in different positions to make plays is way more stressful on defences. 

But mitch comes in and throws with anticipation and completes balls Allen won't throw

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

Maybe McDermott can hook him up with his new optometrist.

I'm fine with McD's optometrist, but wasn't Tyrod Taylor repping designer eyeglass frames a few years back? 🤔

I would think Tyrod could get Josh some endorsement bucks and bling! 😁

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No one is saying "Allen is infallible" but the lack of play making WR's, and at times a porous D that requires an offensive design to protect it, bears a much greater responsibility for the Bills offensive problems then Allen's play.  The problem is that Allen must be infallible for this version of the Bills to win games and as we all know Allen is not infallible.

 

 

 

Josh Allen is quite frankly not playing well.  His mechanics, foot work, pocket presence, and vision have all been a mess.  What too many people here do is throw their hands up and say "Its the WR's" - and they do that under an assumption rather than actual film study/review.  They think Allen is so good that his issues can't possibly be his fault, that it must be who the personnel is.  

 

And no one is disagreeing with wanting a top end WR1.  But, that does not get to just be a convenient excuse to gloss over and ignore the bigger issues around Allen, Brady, the OL, execution, self inflicted mistakes, bad turnovers, etc. 

[Nihilarian]

It was one game and any reason for why they all played poorly is just more excuses. Chalk it up to one more loss at 6-3 week 10. Better than 6-6 in 2023 and that year Miami was 9-3 at that time...guess what? Buffalo went on to win the division.

 

Perhaps it was the firing of Ken Dorsey and that put some heat under some behinds. Perhaps it was also the hiring of Joe Brady. 

 

Let's just hope the Bills players use this loss to motive them and go on to win more games. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

But mitch comes in and throws with anticipation and completes balls Allen won't throw

lmfao are you serious w this

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Josh Allen is quite frankly not playing well.  His mechanics, foot work, pocket presence, and vision have all been a mess.  What too many people here do is throw their hands up and say "Its the WR's" - and they do that under an assumption rather than actual film study/review.  They think Allen is so good that his issues can't possibly be his fault, that it must be who the personnel is.  

 

And no one is disagreeing with wanting a top end WR1.  But, that does not get to just be a convenient excuse to gloss over and ignore the bigger issues around Allen, Brady, the OL, execution, self inflicted mistakes, bad turnovers, etc. 

well here you go! here's the solution!

 

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

mitch comes in and throws with anticipation and completes balls Allen won't throw