Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[dorquemada]

Any time a team plays as unevenly as the Bills are this season, particularly over the last 5 games, it's coaching.  Better coaches would be managing Allen, not letting him sad sack around on the bench. Letting Brady continue to call plays is professional malpractice and our defense looks like a  matador holding a cape

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Casey D said:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/article_21980ceb-bcfc-4e60-a920-42fc17996fcc.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share

 

Scathing analysis-- "While this game was difficult to watch, I hadn't anticipated the depth of trouble."

 

I cannot do the analysis justice because there is so much, but I will highlight:

 

Brady Game Plan-- Seemed to want to prove the Bills could throw the ball around the field instead of sticking to what worked against KC-- use Cook.  But overall, there were lots of plays that could have been made, but Allen inexplicably did not execute.

 

Allen-- "Allen's performance was below anything I've graded in his career."  It was mind boggling.  Terrible reads, passing over open receivers he was looking at, and simply not staying in-system.  On the end zone pic, the play call was perfect against Cover 0, he had three good options but took none of the, and on option 4 he threw a terrible pass to Shavers.  Josh's mind was clearly elsewhere on Sunday.

 

O-Line-- Terrible lack of effort and execution.  McGovern simply whiffed on blocks, and Dawkins  looked like he could give a s$$t on some plays.  No wonder Cook had some trouble running.

 

Offensive miscues crush D late-- After Allen's fumble which basically ended the game.  The D then collapsed.  Not an excuse, simply a fact according to Kubiak.

 

Kubiak's conclusion is better than anything I can paraphrase:

 

"[All-22] reveals more examples of poor execution and effort from Bills offense. There was a lack of desire and ferocity, a lack of mental focus, and a lack of guardrails to keep Allen within the contours of his responsibility on each play."

 

Read it and weep.  Behind BN paywall.

 

But wait, how could this be...Allen is infallible and its all the WR's fault per TSW. 

[Nihilarian]

29 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Yea Josh was red flushed and look gassed.  That Miami heat and humidity  will wilt northern teams.  Should’ve stayed with Cook who played there …and so did Coleman!!??

   Hey, I stayed in Atlanta for a bit and going from 70 degree house and stepping out into that Georgia sunshine was like walking into a blast furnace. It takes so much out of you fast and I can't imagine running up and down a field if you aren't used to it. That alone would answer a lot. 

[Lost]

5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

   Hey, I stayed in Atlanta for a bit and going from 70 degree house and stepping out into that Georgia sunshine was like walking into a blast furnace. It takes so much out of you fast and I can't imagine running up and down a field if you aren't used to it. That alone would answer a lot. 

 

I dunno.   Josh played just fine in the '22 Sept inferno game in Miami throwing for 400 yards while everyone else around him was drop like flies from dehydration and cramping.   

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

He's got to be frustrated. Players are human, and if he knows what we know, that this leadership can't bring this team over the hump, it's hard to stay motivated day in and day out when you know the coaching staff and general manager can't get you to the promised land. I don't think he has gone hollywood or anything. I think he knows that we won't get there and it's showing with his play and mentality. Totally me reading into it, but to me that is a look of a man who knows the can't win a super bowl with this regime. 

This 100% and it doesn't bode well for the Bills.  I suspect the lack of any move to upgrade Allen's weapons at the trade deadline hit him hard.  Allen is good friends with Darnold and it must have stung to see Seattle go out and bring in another WR while the Bills sat pat.  

 

And the play of the D has to be frustrating Allen in 2 ways:  They can't hold on to a lead or win a 16 - 13 game and Allen is being told to play in a way that doesn't fit his overall skill set to protect the D.  Look at Burrow who also has a bad D.  The Bengals don't put a governor on him and design an offense that protects their D they go in the opposite direction and turn every game into a shootout.  Sure it hasn't worked out all the well but I bet Burrow is having a blast out there and he probably thinks that if the Bengal's got a great RB to go along with their awesome WR's they would become the greatest show on turf and start winning those shootouts.

 

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

"And in the end, the love is equal to the love we make or take.. or some crap. We don't know. Let's blame a woman for our troubles." - The Beatles

 

That's exactly how they sung it. I was there.

 

We're going to blame a woman now? Classic Bills Collapse.

[Psautcsk]

28 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I see a guy mentally shot.  I also noticed, and so did my wife,  that he turtled up before a hit and slid on about the 7 yard line that he used to barrel in for a TD.

 

Imho he is shot mentally for many reasons and after 7 years of just plowing guys,he cant do it anymore.   He seems to have lost his speed

Being in Miami maybe had him thinking about golf?

27 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

lol.  Hindsight says no!

 

I don't have a good answer.  9.5 is a HUGE spread for a divisional rivalry in the NFL.  So, no.

Should we be favored by 5.5 against Tampa?

[BillsVet]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The steam has run out on the McDermott and Beane era. I think the trade deadline was the final nail in the coffin. This team needed a big move to inject some energy and belief into the locker room and I don't think it's a coincidence everyone played flat in the game immediately after the opportunity passed.

 

We've finally gotten to the "make a change for the sake of change" moment. Not right now, might as well finish out the year. But next year there is no chance anybody in that locker room is feeling confident if we just run it all back. Confidence begets success in pro sports. Get some new voices in the organization and reset the mentality of everyone in the building.

 

If anyone still has doubts about moving on, the one thing that should convince each and every Bills fan is that Josh seems to have lost his mojo. Forget his play on the field. Look at him on the sidelines and in his pressers. The most important person to the franchise clearly isn't confident in this operation and that above all else should force a change.

 

They've largely run it back each off-season since 2021 and haven't made a major move since signing Von in UFA.  Agree...the audacity and urgency is gone and it's reflected on the field.  

 

There's a lot of comps of McD to coaches like Schottenheimer and others who refused to change.  I don't totally disagree, but the difference is McD off the field is really the chief strategy officer and when you have an admin GM, that's a bad combo.  

 

The HC is constantly focusing on the coming season whereas the GM is longer term/bigger picture.  You don't have the HC being the CSO or else decisions will be focused on fixing last year's problems.  It's how you get an entire off-season, not coincidentally, of adding several defensive players.  

 

Yeah...they missed a chance to inject some life into that roster and failed.  This, I believe, results from McBeane's assumption they'd rally like they did in previous seasons.  They mis-read the room.  

[CincyBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But wait, how could this be...Allen is infallible and its all the WR's fault per TSW. 

No one is saying "Allen is infallible" but the lack of play making WR's, and at times a porous D that requires an offensive design to protect it, bears a much greater responsibility for the Bills offensive problems then Allen's play.  The problem is that Allen must be infallible for this version of the Bills to win games and as we all know Allen is not infallible.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This 100% and it doesn't bode well for the Bills.  I suspect the lack of any move to upgrade Allen's weapons at the trade deadline hit him hard.  Allen is good friends with Darnold and it must have stung to see Seattle go out and bring in another WR while the Bills sat pat.  

 

And the play of the D has to be frustrating Allen in 2 ways:  They can't hold on to a lead or win a 16 - 13 game and Allen is being told to play in a way that doesn't fit his overall skill set to protect the D.  Look at Burrow who also has a bad D.  The Bengals don't put a governor on him and design an offense that protects their D they go in the opposite direction and turn every game into a shootout.  Sure it hasn't worked out all the well but I bet Burrow is having a blast out there and he probably thinks that if the Bengal's got a great RB to go along with their awesome WR's they would become the greatest show on turf and start winning those shootouts.

 

 

If Allen is focusing on the move the Seahawks are making than I have serious issues of his focus on his own team. That said Shaheed grand total of 23 scrimmage yards certainly would have helped us beat the Dolphins this weekend

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[DapperCam]

The amateur psychologists in this thread should probably leave it to the pros.

[The Jokeman]

10 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

They've largely run it back each off-season since 2021 and haven't made a major move since signing Von in UFA.  Agree...the audacity and urgency is gone and it's reflected on the field.  

 

There's a lot of comps of McD to coaches like Schottenheimer and others who refused to change.  I don't totally disagree, but the difference is McD off the field is really the chief strategy officer and when you have an admin GM, that's a bad combo.  

 

The HC is constantly focusing on the coming season whereas the GM is longer term/bigger picture.  You don't have the HC being the CSO or else decisions will be focused on fixing last year's problems.  It's how you get an entire off-season, not coincidentally, of adding several defensive players.  

 

Yeah...they missed a chance to inject some life into that roster and failed.  This, I believe, results from McBeane's assumption they'd rally like they did in previous seasons.  They mis-read the room.  

Cuz the season is over just one week after the NFL trade deadline? 

[dorquemada]

12 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Should we be favored by 5.5 against Tampa?

 

I do not believe so but lines are set so the betting is balanced not because galaxy brains think the bills are going to win

 

[Yobogoya!]

32 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Drake Maye is leading the MVP race with castoffs Bills WRs that were not separating, easily handled in man coverage, and holding Allen back. Time to stop whining and make it work.  

 

This is a great and telling point. We've heard for several seasons that our WR's are garbage but look at several rosters and there's an equal or even worse crop that is somehow producing. Like the Patriots with geriatric Diggs and JAG Hollins. 

 

Hell Chan Gailey got more production out the "goon squad" with Fitzmagic slinging it. Pretty sad. 

[HappyDays]

I'm going through the article now, and again I am wondering why some of these all-22 reviews don't at least try to understand why Allen is making certain decisions or turning down certain throws. Like Jim Kubiak here blames Allen for the failed 4th and 1 that Miami was all over. Here's the screenshot he uses:

 

 

Kubiak's take on this play:

 

Quote

The best way to explain this poor decision by Allen is to give it a name: dereliction of duty.

 

This fake-quarterback-sneak, roll-right play had four route layers. First, Cook in the flat. He was well-covered by two defenders. Next, Shavers on a pivot route, directly in front of Allen for the first down. Look at how wide open Shavers was. That simple, easy completion would have been a first down and more. Instead of taking the sure completion, on time, in the scheme, and to the open receiver, Allen retreated and lobbed a ball deep into coverage off of his back foot. It was broken up and nearly intercepted.

 

Running Cook here with big personnel or sneaking Allen would have worked. If Allen had thrown to the open receiver in the play design, it would have been a first down. But again, Allen played out of system and tried to throw a touchdown instead of getting the first down.

 

This play design gave Allen the necessary options to make the play. Shavers couldn’t have been more wide open. It is difficult to understand what Allen was looking at or what he was thinking. If he saw Shavers and passed on him for a deeper throw, that's a problem. If he didn’t see Shavers, that's also a problem.

 

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

The amateur psychologists in this thread should probably leave it to the pros.

But Josh's body language clearly shows he hates his HC, OC and players around him and wants to be with his celebrity wife and be a tv actor....yeah I know cuz you know it can't be he's frustrated that he missed an open WR he saw on screen shots he saw on his tablet between plays or can't be he's grimacing cuz he got hurt on a hit in the previous drive.  

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

"And in the end, the love is equal to the love we make or take.. or some crap. We don't know. Let's blame a woman for our troubles." - The Beatles

 

That's exactly how they sung it. I was there.

 

We're going to blame a woman now? Classic Bills Collapse.

Lets at least blame the right woman.  We'd have at least 5 Lombardis in the case by now if that silly b@#$^ coulda just not snacked on the only damn thing in that garden that she wasn't supposed to touch. And you know she probably said "Oh, I don't care what we eat" and then shot down 50 or so non-forbidden suggestions before condemning us all to this f@#$ing nightmare!

[nuklz2594]

mickey said to rocky....women weaken legs...

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

Wut? 
 

I’m not in the loop about his wife’s mental state, what is this all about? 

 

I posted some links to the article in a few other threads where this was a topic of discussion a few weeks ago, don't have time to dig them up right now. Or you can google search that, a lot of articles and stories about that will pop up.

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[extrahammer]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I'm really starting to wonder if Haillee's mental health struggles with the changes happening being married that she talked about aren't starting to negatively effect Josh.

 

I do believe that type of stuff can affect him. Reminds of the Bengals playoff loss and the rumors about police being called to his house the night before.