Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Gunsgoodtime]

17 minutes ago, Casey D said:

The look on Allen's face or All-22-- which to believe.  Hmm.

If you dont think this is one of the worst wr groups in the NFL we just are not going to agree on very much

Edited 2 hours ago by Gunsgoodtime

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

A lot of SHAMEFUL takes here  IMO

 

wut???  23/26 last week 

 

 

 

 

did everyone forget how this team performed against KC???

 

Even SB winning teams have a garbage game or 2. 

The Bills have played pretty poorly in about half their games this season.  KC game was an outlier…not to say they can’t turn it around, but if you think it’s all good, then you’re just kidding yourself.

 

To me, the most obvious difference is that (other than QB sneaks) Josh Allen designed runs have been removed from the playbook. Defenses no longer have to account for him as a runner and that’s taken away a huge advantage…there may be good reasons for this, and maybe it returns in the playoffs (if any), but it’s a pretty stark difference from years past.

[Dillenger4]

9 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Allen, as I have said all season, seems to be off.  His reads are ignoring open receivers and when he does throw more often than not his passes are off.  To me, it seems his mechanics are off due to his change of throwing or a lingering effect of his elbow injury.  I have injured right elbow my right elbow years ago and it flares up once in a while.  Second point is QB play is mentally taxing and it looks like he is struggling out there.  Not sure how you can overcome this in midseason.  Keep playing him and maybe reduce his options to three?  The offense as a whole needs to execute and excel.  Stop waiting on Allen to put on his cape. 

Let's all grope our money together and send Josh to the Awushka retreat that Poyer went to with Rogers. let him get all chewy and come home a new boy!

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Casey D said:

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Scathing analysis-- "While this game was difficult to watch, I hadn't anticipated the depth of trouble."

 

I cannot do the analysis justice because there is so much, but I will highlight:

 

Brady Game Plan-- Seemed to want to prove the Bills could throw the ball around the field instead of sticking to what worked against KC-- use Cook.  But overall, there were lots of plays that could have been made, but Allen inexplicably did not execute.

 

Allen-- "Allen's performance was below anything I've graded in his career."  It was mind boggling.  Terrible reads, passing over open receivers he was looking at, and simply not staying in-system.  On the end zone pic, the play call was perfect against Cover 0, he had three good options but took none of the, and on option 4 he threw a terrible pass to Shavers.  Josh's mind was clearly elsewhere on Sunday.

 

O-Line-- Terrible lack of effort and execution.  McGovern simply whiffed on blocks, and Dawkins  looked like he could give a s$$t on some plays.  No wonder Cook had some trouble running.

 

Offensive miscues crush D late-- After Allen's fumble which basically ended the game.  The D then collapsed.  Not an excuse, simply a fact according to Kubiak.

 

Kubiak's conclusion is better than anything I can paraphrase:

 

"[All-22] reveals more examples of poor execution and effort from Bills offense. There was a lack of desire and ferocity, a lack of mental focus, and a lack of guardrails to keep Allen within the contours of his responsibility on each play."

 

Read it and weep.  Behind BN paywall.

 

the lack of effort, focus, etc. is 100% coaching.  Time to shake it up.  

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

That was a mirage.  Sorry to say it but they've now dropped 3 of their last 5 and looked extremely mediocre or worse in each of the 3 losses.  Beane's fundamental mishandling of the roster, and McD/Brady/Babich inability to have the team prepared for games they should absolutely win are all bearing their inevitable results.

I agree it's a mirage. IMO everyone looks at well they played last season and assumed it would carry over. The offense struggled a lot last season too. What helped them was the timely turnovers from the defense. I believe they have record high in turnovers last year. Those turnovers gave the offense short fields. 

 

[HappyDays]

The steam has run out on the McDermott and Beane era. I think the trade deadline was the final nail in the coffin. This team needed a big move to inject some energy and belief into the locker room and I don't think it's a coincidence everyone played flat in the game immediately after the opportunity passed.

 

We've finally gotten to the "make a change for the sake of change" moment. Not right now, might as well finish out the year. But next year there is no chance anybody in that locker room is feeling confident if we just run it all back. Confidence begets success in pro sports. Get some new voices in the organization and reset the mentality of everyone in the building.

 

If anyone still has doubts about moving on, the one thing that should convince each and every Bills fan is that Josh seems to have lost his mojo. Forget his play on the field. Look at him on the sidelines and in his pressers. The most important person to the franchise clearly isn't confident in this operation and that above all else should force a change.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Sometimes good teams look at bad teams (2-7) Dolphins and think they are so bad that all we gotta do is show up and they will go into a fetal position. This is the NFL and even the bad teams have a shot at times. Not to mention that this was a division game and Buffalo has beaten them like a redheaded stepchild over the last few seasons.

 

To Miami, this was their super bowl and big time revenge. The Dolphins wanted this more than life itself and some of the Bills players didn't put out the effort to win. Plus, they might have been looking past them at the Bucs. the Dolphins HC went trolling to a Bills bar after the game to rub it in. This game meant so much to them. 

 

We will see this week if that game was an anomaly or what the future holds. We Bills fans can only hope for the former! 

The Dolphins lost 28-6 to the Ravens the week before, but if you watched that game, it was quite competitive. Miami just kept shooting itself in the foot after moving the ball well, and then finally the game got away from them. But that was a more competitive game than the score indicated. And they crushed Atlanta the week before. They're not good, obviously, but they're also not horrible. If they win the TO battle, they can beat most teams. And one could argue that they didn't really turn the ball over at all vs. the Bills -- two arm punts on third and very long with an average of 45 net yards. If those had been incompletions, roughly the same result would have occurred the next play.  The Bills' four TOs all took place in Miami territory and took at least 6 points off the board (2 FGs) and possibly 17-20 max (two TDs and a 1- 2 FGs). They lost by 17 points. And yes, I count a failed fourth down attempt as a turnover. It's the same as a lost fumble on fourth down. By not punting, the Dolphins got the ball just shy of Bills territory and quickly scored.   

Edited 1 hour ago by dave mcbride

[Billsatlastin2018]

“Bottom line Josh isnt right in he head right now.  We have all seen it and talked about it, you can see it in how he plays and the look on his face.”

 

 

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I'm really starting to wonder if Haillee's mental health struggles with the changes happening being married that she talked about aren't starting to negatively effect Josh.

I hesitate to ever talk about this because mental health issues should be destigmatized and the only way to do that is by having people be open/vulenerable about it.

 

…but Josh has not been good this year.  

 

It’s sad to see and a lot of us have tried to excuse it away with Brady and lack of WR talent - and there’s very valid excuses there. 
 

But Josh is clearly part of the problem this year.  We can’t ignore it with a 9 game sample set now. 
 

He looks lifeless half the time.  His play on the field has been meh.

 

And the only real change is his marriage to Hailee.  We know she’s been open publicly about her mental health struggles being married.  I can’t speak for Josh but that wouldn’t make me feel great if I was him.  It’s clearly evident in their relationship if she’s vocal about it. 
 

Then you have his interview where he said she’s made him realize he’s more than just a football player.  Which, of course he is.. but not exactly what anyone wants to hear from a 50M+ per year QB that hasn’t won, or even appeared, in a Super Bowl yet. 
 

Then you have his long time teammates like Dawkins saying it’s never Super Bowl or bust … and it seems like Josh himself, and those around him, have killed the dawg in him. 
 

When he wants to take over, he can’t.  WR’s don’t get open because Beane has mishandled that group to a fireable extent and he can’t run because teams have spies on him as they’re not worried about anyone else, anywhere on the field. 
 

Hope to be proven wrong and really hope that starts on Sunday. 
 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by SCBills

[SoonerBillsFan]

38 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

I agree something isn't right is it some nagging injury or has he lost the fire while dealing with a wife and baby on the way?  He looked exhausted Sunday and clearly missing open receivers.  He has to trust getting ball to them early in route and let them get YACs.   

I see a guy mentally shot.  I also noticed, and so did my wife,  that he turtled up before a hit and slid on about the 7 yard line that he used to barrel in for a TD.

 

Imho he is shot mentally for many reasons and after 7 years of just plowing guys,he cant do it anymore.   He seems to have lost his speed

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Not worth having a cow over 

 

😃

 

 

Eh? Anyone?

Edited 1 hour ago by TheyCallMeAndy

[dorquemada]

10 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Should we have been favored by 9.5 against the Dolphins?

 

lol.  Hindsight says no!

 

I don't have a good answer.  9.5 is a HUGE spread for a divisional rivalry in the NFL.  So, no.

[Casey D]

11 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

If you dont think this is one of the worst wr groups in the NFL we just are not going to agree on very much

Did not say that.  Continue the hyperbole.

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

“Bottom line Josh isnt right in he head right now.  We have all seen it and talked about it, you can see it in how he plays and the look on his face.”

 

 

Perfect!! 🤣

[dorquemada]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The steam has run out on the McDermott and Beane era. I think the trade deadline was the final nail in the coffin. This team needed a big move to inject some energy and belief into the locker room and I don't think it's a coincidence everyone played flat in the game immediately after the opportunity passed.

 

We've finally gotten to the "make a change for the sake of change" moment. Not right now, might as well finish out the year. But next year there is no chance anybody in that locker room is feeling confident if we just run it all back. Confidence begets success in pro sports. Get some new voices in the organization and reset the mentality of everyone in the building.

 

If anyone still has doubts about moving on, the one thing that should convince each and every Bills fan is that Josh seems to have lost his mojo. Forget his play on the field. Look at him on the sidelines and in his pressers. The most important person to the franchise clearly isn't confident in this operation and that above all else should force a change.

 

Agreed.  They've got to gut the roster again, offload all of the ridiculous contracts for C players, eat the dead cap AGAIN, and restock while Allen has something left in the tank.  I'd fully understand if Allen doesn't want to hang around for that though because Beane is objectively terrible at both the draft and FA with a small number of notable exceptions.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I hesitate to ever talk about this because mental health issues should be destigmatized and the only way to do that is by having people be open/vulenerable about it.

 

…but Josh has not been good this year.  

 

It’s sad to see and a lot of us have tried to excuse it away with Brady and lack of WR talent - and there’s very valid excuses there. 
 

But Josh is clearly part of the problem this year.  We can’t ignore it with a 9 game sample set now. 
 

He looks lifeless half the time.  His play on the field has been meh.

 

And the only real change is his marriage to Hailee.  We know she’s been open publicly about her mental health struggles being married.  I can’t speak for Josh but that wouldn’t make me feel great if I was him.  It’s clearly evident in their relationship if she’s vocal about it. 
 

Then you have his interview where he said she’s made him realize he’s more than just a football player.  Which, of course he is.. but not exactly what anyone wants to hear from a 50M+ per year QB that hasn’t won, or even appeared, in a Super Bowl yet. 
 

Then you have his long time teammates like Dawkins saying it’s never Super Bowl or bust … and it seems like Josh himself, and those around him, have killed the dawg in him. 
 

Hope to be proven wrong and really hope that starts on Sunday. 

Spot on.  The majority of fans do not want to, and will not accept,this.  Its right there obvious as hell,but many won't see it.

 

 

[Charles Romes]

Drake Maye is leading the MVP race with castoffs Bills WRs that were not separating, easily handled in man coverage, and holding Allen back. Time to stop whining and make it work.  

[The 9 Isles]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I'm really starting to wonder if Haillee's mental health struggles with the changes happening being married that she talked about aren't starting to negatively effect Josh.

Wut? 
 

I’m not in the loop about his wife’s mental state, what is this all about? 

[JMM]

30 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

A lot of SHAMEFUL takes here  IMO

 

wut???  23/26 last week 

 

 

 

 

did everyone forget how this team performed against KC???

 

Even SB winning teams have a garbage game or 2. 

Shameful takes? Dramatic much? Josh is a future HOFER, he's the reigning MVP. He will go down as a top 20 all time qb. HE IS NOT PLAYING WELL THIS YEAR.  See how BOTH can be true? Homerism doesn't solve problems.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Spot on.  The majority of fans do not want to, and will not accept,this.  Its right there obvious as hell,but many won't see it.

 

 

 

I don't know that I am there right now, but I do know that when Josh has played his best football it has generally coincided with a settled personal life and the period he played his worst football (back end of 2022 and into early 2023) we know his personal life was in a bit of turmoil. So I am open to the possibility that there is something distracting him. 

 

I think the reason is Josh plays best when he is loose, uncluttered, and happy. When he gets tight he isn't the same guy.