Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

As someone who has had a broken nose, are we sure that didn't mess up his vision? He wore the visor for weeks afterwards, my own experience with a broken nose was similar to a concussion, in fact I had a "mild concussion" when I broke mine. IMO, this is possible cause, because Josh hasn't been "Same Ol' Josh" since then, and I'm just wondering if that's a thing. 

 

I don't think it's a thing, because mixed in there he had a record setting completion% game and great QBR (averaging 10.5 y/a) against a solid Kansas City defense.  But against the Panthers? meh, he missed some throws but didn't really need him.  Against Atlanta and Miami? terrible in the 1st halves when the game was still there for the taking.  It's like the whole team including Allen didn't put in the preparation.

[Blackbeard]

13 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

If you are saying that Allen  was putting smelling salts in his mouth that is the most bizarre posts I have ever seen.
And yes he was putting something in his mouth shown  on broadcast.
 

He was chewing on the end of a packet of smelling salts, just like a gazillion other professional sports players can be seen doing at times.  

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Blackbeard

[extrahammer]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

I don't think it's a thing, because mixed in there he had a record setting completion% game and great QBR (averaging 10.5 y/a) against a solid Kansas City defense.  But against the Panthers? meh, he missed some throws but didn't really need him.  Against Atlanta and Miami? terrible in the 1st halves when the game was still there for the taking.  It's like the whole team including Allen didn't put in the preparation.

 

So this team is more defined by the "playing with their food" analogy? I can see it. The up games and down games have been blatant. 

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Allen took one of those "easy outlets" to Shakir in this game - Shakir took a shot and gained 2 yards. He took one to Coleman against Carolina and the safety sitting over top of it came down and made the easy pass breakup. If he hadn't made those passes there would be people posting freeze frames saying "why didn't he hit this wide open target?" People vastly underestimate how fast back 7 players can trigger to the ball when they're properly leveraged. We can't live in this short completions against an ultra compressed defense world. You need to punish defenses that sell out against short completions, and we just don't have the personnel or the creative scheming to do that consistently.

 

This all day. In some of these looks I'm seeing where fans say that a guy is wide open, I see 1 and even 2 defenders with leverage waiting to pounce and break on the ball. NFL secondary players are fast. 

[transient]

52 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

With Allen the MVP Campaign is over.
The endorsements are signed.
And the MONEY is in the bank.
Allen is and has been an attention hound, loves the adulation.
He came here with fans clamoring for a Quarterback.   He was put into a situation with an inexperienced head coach and General Manger. 

He then made  "hero ball" as Buffalo's offense.  Hardly any running game.
   He clicked with Diggs.  

He got Management to let him take care of some of his "buddies"....Knox, Gabe, Kyle Allen , bring back Beasley,  big say in OC, and the latest he told them GET Coleman.
  This is not to say he didn't play his heart out.  But in the NFL you need more than one guy as we are now witnessing.
So MVP in the bag and now here comes a new "kid in town"  James Cook.  And Bills started using Cook as a running back.  The center of attention shifted.

And you can certainly see the difference in Allen's mood when Cook excels.
And along with that  Drake Maye is getting attention.  Allen is now not the only name being mentioned on game broadcasts and football shows. 

Teams are getting wise to "hero ball".   
And around the League  you are seeing more leadership from Quarterbacks that Allen does not seem to be exhibiting.
 The play is over and he scoots to the bench.   You've seen other QBs stop and slap hands with the team coming off.

And what's with the thing he is putting in his mouth before each series lately.  zyn ???  
Have you seen Allen walk the bench and talk to his players?  With a thanks or fire them up?
Yes,  he has no # 1 receiver.   The question is will he be able to perform with  the Bills with a committed running game? Will he accept that?
The fans went for the leaping and "hero ball"  but  that alone will not get you  to and win a Super bowl?

     And the blame of this goes to The Coach and GM. 
      I am sure this will go over BIG with the Allen crowd on here.
 

Either this is an amateur attempt at trolling... or it's an amateur attempt at thinking coherently. 🤷‍♂️

[The Jokeman]

45 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

I just know he's going to Andrew Luck us.

Using the Grays Sports Almanac, Biff? Or how else can you explain knowing the future?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[Dillenger4]

3 minutes ago, transient said:

Either this is an amateur attempt at trolling... or it's an amateur attempt at thinking coherently. 🤷‍♂️

But a LOT of people think that way. For years, my buddies (who are not Bills fans) think Josh is a downright wuss. It's crazy...I know.. but they do. The constant waving of arms after he has been lightly hit looking for a flag. The other teams always jabbering at him and he talks back - even last game vs Miami Josh was yelling at a Miami player who obviously got his rabbit ears. The sulking.

I NEVER agreed but this season... he sure does show a new tune. Let's see what happens this weekend.

[beer can shower]

3 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

He was chewing on the packet of smelling salts, just like a gazillion other professional sports players can be seen doing at times.

 

Try chewing on a smelling salt packet.  That is not what they are doing.  Look it up before you talk.
Also, I did not say Allen was Jealous of Drake Maye.  Maye was mentioned because is  in the conversation.
And I didn't say he was JUST here for the money. 
I did not say he was "pissed" James cook was great. I said you can see a change in  his mood.
Give me an example of what you see as Allen"s leadership.

Chewing on a smelling salt pouch  WOW

 

[extrahammer]

3 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

But a LOT of people think that way. For years, my buddies (who are not Bills fans) think Josh is a downright wuss. It's crazy...I know.. but they do. The constant waving of arms after he has been lightly hit looking for a flag. The other teams always jabbering at him and he talks back - even last game vs Miami Josh was yelling at a Miami player who obviously got his rabbit ears. The sulking.

I NEVER agreed but this season... he sure does show a new tune. Let's see what happens this weekend.

 

Ooof. Bad take. Just shows you and your friends don't know football. What, 5+ years of great play and then now suddenly he's a fraud? Very bad take. A lot of people?? LOL. Such a bad take. You sound like a trolling Bucs fans. 

Edited 1 hour ago by extrahammer

[Blackbeard]

8 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

Try chewing on a smelling salt packet.  That is not what they are doing.  Look it up before you talk.
Also, I did not say Allen was Jealous of Drake Maye.  Maye was mentioned because is  in the conversation.
And I didn't say he was JUST here for the money. 
I did not say he was "pissed" James cook was great. I said you can see a change in  his mood.
Give me an example of what you see as Allen"s leadership.

Chewing on a smelling salt pouch  WOW

 

Hes holding the packet in his teeth.  Its smelling salts.  MANY other professionals do this.  Watch James Cook.  He does it too.

 

Are you trying to troll the site?  

9 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

Give me an example of what you see as Allen"s leadership.

One tiny small example of many is the individual handshakes each player gets with him.

 

Honestly, you just seem like a hate filled person.  

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Blackbeard said:

He was chewing on the end of a packet of smelling salts, just like a gazillion other professional sports players can be seen doing at times.  

 

 

I'm pretty sure he's a zyn guy and that's what it is.

 

As a former smoker the whole zyn/vape thing is super weird. I have some younger cousins/siblings who are gen Z (to my elder millennial) and they talk about the buzz they get from hitting vapes and putting in a zyn pouch.

 

Again, as a former smoker, it was definitely never about any of that and not anything me or any of my smoker friends ever discussed, like ever...

 

It feels like this entire zyn/nicotine vape generation is just a million versions of the dude who'd ask to bum a smoke and then go "oh sorry I only smoke menthol"... Like if I was ever in a place where I needed to bum a cigarette, you could hand me anything from a non-filtered Camel to a Virginia Slim, I just need a smoke. What a bunch of posers

 

(This has almost nothing to do with Allen or even football for that matter)

Edited 30 minutes ago by Mango

[VW82]

Joe Marino, Joe B, and Chris Long were also somewhat critical of Josh’s performance in addition to that of the receivers, line, and coaching staff. 
 

I think there’s middle ground that makes sense between “Bench Josh” and “he’s been very underwhelming at points this year” even though no one outside of the running game seems to be doing him much favors.

Edited 1 hour ago by VW82

[Blackbeard]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

I'm pretty sure he's a zyn guy and that's what it is.

I see MANY players with smelling salts.  

 

But either way, (and this wasn't your point, but the other poster), who cares?   Who cares IF allen likes dip?  

 

That other poster's whole argument was trash.

[beer can shower]

1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

 

 

Are you trying to troll the site?  

Are you saying  people's postings can only be ones that you agree with?  And if you disagree you use the "trolling" phrase.

[Blackbeard]

Just now, beer can shower said:

Are you saying  people's postings can only be ones that you agree with?  And if you disagree you use the "trolling" phrase.

I don't care if you agree with me or not.  But when you post such a bizarre post, others will notice and think you're a troll.  I'm not the only one.

 

[Dillenger4]

12 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

Ooof. Bad take. Just shows you and your friends don't know football. What, 5+ years of great play and then now suddenly he's a fraud? Very bad take. A lot of people?? LOL. Such a bad take. You sound like a trolling Bucs fans. 

Reading comprehension issues I see.

But yes, a lot of fans feel this way. Just not us Bills fans. We are on an 11 page rant about his play THIS YEAR and you are responding like a ____________.

[90sBills]

6 hours ago, T.E. said:

A lot of parallels with Allen and Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn in the cinematic classic "Major League II."

He needs a slump buster. Just don’t tell Hailee. 

Edited 1 hour ago by 90sBills

[beer can shower]

1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

I don't care if you agree with me or not.  But when you post such a bizarre post, others will notice and think you're a troll.  I'm not the only one.

 

you just made my point.
It may be bizarre to you.  That is your  opinion.
Are you on here to  discredit every post YOU think is bizarre.?

[Blackbeard]

Just now, beer can shower said:

you just made my point.
It may be bizarre to you.  That is your  opinion.
Are you on here to  discredit every post YOU think is bizarre.?

No just yours.  Negativity seems to be your thing.

[beer can shower]

1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

No just yours.  Negativity seems to be your thing.

Again ,  your opinion !!!