Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Tons of quarterbacks have those looks Patrick mahomes has had that face for years 

 

Something tells me and this is not the homer in me

 

 That Josh Allen is not going to pass up millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars.. for a game that has been his passion his whole life 

 

This is called a rough patch 

 

He literally is the NFL iron Man .. football means a lot to himself still 

But does it as much anymore?  We heard him say Hailee has taught him he is mote than a QB.

 

Add to that The years of failure and knowing nothing is going to change wears on an athlete.  

 

And yeah I can see him passing on millions,because he has enough money, he wants to win.   You said the magic word it"HAS" been his passion his whole life, his face shows something different now.  Not years past, but now.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

But does it as much anymore?  We heard him say Hailee has taught him he is mote than a QB.

 

Add to that The years of failure and knowing nothing is going to change wears on an athlete.  

 

And yeah I can see him passing on millions,because he has enough money, he wants to win.   You said the magic word it"HAS" been his passion his whole life, his face shows something different now.  Not years past, but now.

 

Josh Allen has had defeated looks on his face in years past when we lose 

 

Plenty of people on this website would talk about the camera zoom in on Josh in the fourth quarter when we haven't scored in 4th Straight drives and he looks defeated 

 

That's been said here for years it really is nothing new 

 

Most quarterbacks are married and it does not make them just retire... In fact it keeps people like Tom Brady playing 

 

Who is Josh's idol

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, extrahammer said:

 

As someone who has had a broken nose, are we sure that didn't mess up his vision? He wore the visor for weeks afterwards, my own experience with a broken nose was similar to a concussion, in fact I had a "mild concussion" when I broke mine. IMO, this is possible cause, because Josh hasn't been "Same Ol' Josh" since then, and I'm just wondering if that's a thing. 

 

I honestly don't know, and never considered that as I have never broken my nose, so not sure what the effects could be.  My guess is that doesn't seem like something that would still be lingering, but I don't really have any frame of reference for that, just me guessing.

[Billz4ever]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

It is why if there was one thing Daboll truly did excel with Josh with over maybe anyone else was mentally slapping him in the head and shaking him out of it. Daboll had a way with Josh that he could be real and Josh would listen. Maybe it was the age difference/experience that allowed a different connection where Dorsey/Brady were much younger by comparison, but even in 2021 when they were shaky for a bit Josh did seem to have such high/low times. If anything Hailee it seemed helped him break out of that especially last year and he said as much.

 

I truly believe the Bills not adding anyone mixed with the win of KC had a mental effect on everyone where they looked down on Miami who came out ready to fight AND in Joshs case not receiving help may have led to a "I gotta do it all type thing".

 

Since Dabs has some free time now, maybe we could talk him into giving Josh a talkin' to.

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I honestly don't know, and never considered that as I have never broken my nose, so not sure what the effects could be.  My guess is that doesn't seem like something that would still be lingering, but I don't really have any frame of reference for that, just me guessing.

I had my nose shattered last year and it definitely messed with my head for a month plus 

 

It actually did give me a concussion and I was off

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

But does it as much anymore?  We heard him say Hailee has taught him he is mote than a QB.

 

Add to that The years of failure and knowing nothing is going to change wears on an athlete.  

 

And yeah I can see him passing on millions,because he has enough money, he wants to win.   You said the magic word it"HAS" been his passion his whole life, his face shows something different now.  Not years past, but now.

This literally goes against every Josh is --- and Hailee was a big reason, according to Josh, for his success last season.

 

Both of them knew what they were getting into- they didnt become a Hollywood star and a NFL QB/MVP after their marriage.

 

Josh is going through something this year, but its way too easy to point the finger at his marriage/Hailee, when this same individual helped Josh (according to him) LY.

 

Everyone taking this "there is more to life than football" comment overboard.  

 

Since we are all speculating, I think its a combination of:

1. Mechanics

2. Losing trust in his playmakers/or just lack thereof

3. Lack of consistency at OL/worse play than last year upfront

 

When you start to doubt any aspect of above and lose a shred of confidence, that can make a world of difference.  Josh has already been sacked 20x thru 9 games vs 14x for all of 2024 regular season.  

 

I think getting the broken nose plays into it, everything does.  

 

But if you ask who can flip a switch and get back to MVP form, its obviously Josh.  He did it vs Chiefs, we just need to see it more consistently.

[Alphadawg7]

37 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Again Allen is not playing at an MVP level but EVERY stat available for judging a QB would say he is playing in the top 10.  There is almost no credible support for the idea that Allen is NOT playing well. And that ranges from every QB metric to the Bills won/loss record.  Could he be playing better?  Yes, though the lack of big play WR's is a limiting factor as to how much better he could play.  

 

 

 

 

 

No disrespect, but since when do "season" stats indicate his level of play in a specific game?  3rd and 10 - if Allen throws a 4 yard completion resulting in us punting, the stat sheet will show a completion, what it wont show is the wide open guy 12 yards down field he did not throw to that would have converted a first down.  I am not using a specific example, I am showing one of a hundred ways just looking at some season stats doesn't show the issues.

 

Stat sheet doesnt show when he has bailed on a clean pocket, doesn't show when he made a poor decision, doesn't show when he had someone open he didn't see, doesn't show how bad of a decision the INT was or throw it was, etc etc.  

 

So no disrespect, and I get where you are coming from, but there is nothing on the stat sheet to refute how poorly Allen played against Miami and in patches in all 3 of our losses.  

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Since Dabs has some free time now, maybe we could talk him into giving Josh a talkin' to.

 

 

@corta765 alluded to this earlier and like I said before, I really wonder if there's anyone on the Bills (coaches or players) who can really set Josh straight and say all the right things to get him into a better headspace... who know what to say when he really needs to hear it.

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Josh Allen has had defeated looks on his face in years past when we lose 

 

Plenty of people on this website would talk about the camera zoom in on Josh in the fourth quarter when we haven't scored in 4th Straight drives and he looks defeated 

 

That's been said here for years it really is nothing new 

 

Most quarterbacks are married and it does not make them just retire... In fact it keeps people like Tom Brady playing 

 

Who is Josh's idol

Brady had supebowl success, Josh cant even get there with the current state of the Bills.

[Andrew Son]

An udder collapse?!?!  Sounds like a job for @boyst!

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Since Dabs has some free time now, maybe we could talk him into giving Josh a talkin' to.

 

 

 

Maybe a foot in his arse is exactly what he needs

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

This literally goes against every Josh is --- and Hailee was a big reason, according to Josh, for his success last season.

 

Both of them knew what they were getting into- they didnt become a Hollywood star and a NFL QB/MVP after their marriage.

 

Josh is going through something this year, but its way too easy to point the finger at his marriage/Hailee, when this same individual helped Josh (according to him) LY.

 

Everyone taking this "there is more to life than football" comment overboard.  

 

Since we are all speculating, I think its a combination of:

1. Mechanics

2. Losing trust in his playmakers/or just lack thereof

3. Lack of consistency at OL/worse play than last year upfront

 

When you start to doubt any aspect of above and lose a shred of confidence, that can make a world of difference.  Josh has already been sacked 20x thru 9 games vs 14x for all of 2024 regular season.  

 

I think getting the broken nose plays into it, everything does.  

 

But if you ask who can flip a switch and get back to MVP form, its obviously Josh.  He did it vs Chiefs, we just need to see it more consistently.

 

Good post. Could be any number of things and that's a pretty good list. One more I'd add as a possibility is Josh not getting into a good rhythm due to play calling.  They're relying heavily on the run and short passes this year, which I think can be hurting his ability to get into a rhythm and we all know Josh needs to get into a good rhythm. We also know what Josh looks like when he can't get in a rhythm. It's what he's looked like a good portion of this season.  He looked great in the KC game and they were making more downfield throws, which I think helped him get going and sustain a rhythm.

[transient]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Josh Allen has had defeated looks on his face in years past when we lose 

 

Plenty of people on this website would talk about the camera zoom in on Josh in the fourth quarter when we haven't scored in 4th Straight drives and he looks defeated 

 

That's been said here for years it really is nothing new 

 

Most quarterbacks are married and it does not make them just retire... In fact it keeps people like Tom Brady playing 

 

Who is Josh's idol

Especially when he knows he’s playing like 💩 

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

@corta765 alluded to this earlier and like I said before, I really wonder if there's anyone on the Bills (coaches or players) who can really set Josh straight and say all the right things to get him into a better headspace... who know what to say when he really needs to hear it.

 

 

Josh doesn't seem to be playing with the emotion he's had in season's past...at least that's the vibes he's been giving off at times on the sideline and at pressers. A fired-up Josh is a Josh who's dialed in, knows he's the best player on the football field and can put it wherever he wants with confidence.  It seems like we've gotten the not-so-sure version of Josh in several games this season for some reason. I actually think a constructive ass-chewing could be beneficial to him. Bring back some of that fire I haven't seen much of this year.

[<bills4life>]

12 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

An udder collapse?!?!  Sounds like a job for @boyst!

[Green Lightning]

This is brutal,  but accurate in my mind. Stuffaboutsports podcast

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQ4QJTdCMRl/?igsh=MWljOWRldmwwbHdtag==

 

[Billz4ever]

I get Shakir built his name on his YAC ability, but am I the only one who thinks this is getting a little ridiculous?

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is frustrated but listen to his pressers. A lot of that is frustration with himself. After 3 games where he didn't play well he has an outstanding performance against KC and then right back to this. He isn't playing terrible football overall but he can't find that consistency he had last year and while I am sure he is frustrated at what is around him - especially at receiver - he is frustrated with himself too. I think that is obvious.

 

Yea Josh knows some of this is on him. And he wants to be better. He just can't find his level at the moment with any consistency and that is eating at him.

Maybe, just maybe he shold cut down on his commercials. That said, with our wrs I'm not so sure it would help.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

This is brutal,  but accurate in my mind. Stuffaboutsports podcast

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQ4QJTdCMRl/?igsh=MWljOWRldmwwbHdtag==

 

 

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

I get Shakir built his name on his YAC ability, but am I the only one who thinks this is getting a little ridiculous?

 

 

 

As I posted after the Miami loss (and I know it seems like I'm being dramatic):

 

I believe this is the first week in the McBeane Era where a majority of Bills fans are now skeptical and doubtful that they can deliver a Super Bowl victory.

 

I hope McBeane can prove the doubters wrong but in the court of public opinion, for the first time, I believe the majority of Bills fans are no longer unequivocally in support of this administration.

 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

As I posted after the Miami loss (and I know it seems like I'm being dramatic):

 

I believe this is the first week in the McBeane Era where a majority of Bills fans are now skeptical and doubtful that they can deliver a Super Bowl victory.

 

I hope McBeane can prove the doubters wrong but in the court of public opinion, for the first time, I believe the majority of Bills fans are no longer unequivocally in support of this administration.

 

 

I mean, where are these throws? Has Shakir even been this far downfield on a pass route at any point this season?  The Bills lost this game, but it certainly wasn't because of their inability to move the ball and score.