Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol - that is what I mean, you refuse to accept that Allen could ever just have a bad game.  So much so, your rebuttal to how bad Allen played against Miami is to go look at SEASON stats and not just discuss the bad game he actually played Sunday.  Not to mention you want to hide in those season stats and avoid the actual analysis and film study of the games where he played poorly.  And make no mistake about it, he didn't play well in all 3 losses, but he was especially bad against Miami. 

 

 

ok look

 

just put me on ignore already, im tired of having this same discussion

Edited 2 hours ago by GoBills808
EDIT and im sure other people are as well so sorry for repeating myself over and over

[jaybeezee]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

bro

 

i am being unbiased. im telling you allen's play is not the problem and you are not listening. do i need to pull up his stats this season again

Yes please. And while your at it pull up his stats for the last 4 seasons.  He is regressing if your basing things on stats.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, jaybeezee said:

Yes please. And while your at it pull up his stats for the last 4 seasons.  He is regressing if your basing things on stats.

here ya go

 

On 11/11/2025 at 8:16 AM, GoBills808 said:

1st in QBvalue/average, 6th in EPA/dropback, 7th in CPOE, 6th in success%, 2nd in ELO, 8th in ANY/A, 7th in win%added/dropback

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

Hey, the Sabres are playing tonight, 9pm EST.

 

 

Just thought I'd try to cheer everyone up. 

[beer can shower]

With Allen the MVP Campaign is over.
The endorsements are signed.
And the MONEY is in the bank.
Allen is and has been an attention hound, loves the adulation.
He came here with fans clamoring for a Quarterback.   He was put into a situation with an inexperienced head coach and General Manger. 

He then made  "hero ball" as Buffalo's offense.  Hardly any running game.
   He clicked with Diggs.  

He got Management to let him take care of some of his "buddies"....Knox, Gabe, Kyle Allen , bring back Beasley,  big say in OC, and the latest he told them GET Coleman.
  This is not to say he didn't play his heart out.  But in the NFL you need more than one guy as we are now witnessing.
So MVP in the bag and now here comes a new "kid in town"  James Cook.  And Bills started using Cook as a running back.  The center of attention shifted.

And you can certainly see the difference in Allen's mood when Cook excels.
And along with that  Drake Maye is getting attention.  Allen is now not the only name being mentioned on game broadcasts and football shows. 

Teams are getting wise to "hero ball".   
And around the League  you are seeing more leadership from Quarterbacks that Allen does not seem to be exhibiting.
 The play is over and he scoots to the bench.   You've seen other QBs stop and slap hands with the team coming off.

And what's with the thing he is putting in his mouth before each series lately.  zyn ???  
Have you seen Allen walk the bench and talk to his players?  With a thanks or fire them up?
Yes,  he has no # 1 receiver.   The question is will he be able to perform with  the Bills with a committed running game? Will he accept that?
The fans went for the leaping and "hero ball"  but  that alone will not get you  to and win a Super bowl?

     And the blame of this goes to The Coach and GM. 
      I am sure this will go over BIG with the Allen crowd on here.
 

Edited 2 hours ago by beer can shower

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

ok look

 

just put me on ignore already, im tired of having this same discussion

 

Maybe you are tired of having this same discussions with others, because I don't recall us directly talking about Allens poor play, because quite frankly Allen hasn't had a game like Miami in a very long time.

 

But it is interesting that you went this route when pressed to face facts.  There is no need for me to put you on ignore though, not sure I have ever done that and certainly never done that over a difference of opinion.  That being said, there is no value in discussing this further either, so we can move on.

[jaybeezee]

2 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

With Allen the MVP Campaign is over.
The endorsements are signed.
And the MONEY is in the bank.
Allen is and has been an attention hound, loves the adulation.
He came here with fans clamoring for a Quarterback.   He was put into a situation with an inexperienced head coach and General Manger. 

He then made  "hero ball" as Buffalo's offense.  Hardly any running game.
   He clicked with Diggs.  

He got Management to let him take care of some of his "buddies"....Knox, Gabe, Kyle Allen , bring back Beasley,  big say in OC, and the latest he told they GET Coleman.
  This is not to say he didn't play his heart out.  But in the NFL you need more than one guy as we are now witnessing.
So MVP in the bag and now here comes a new "kid in town"  James Cook.  And Bills started using Cook as a running back.  The center of attention shifted.

And you can certainly see the difference in Allen's mood when Cook excels.
And along with that  Drake Maye is getting attention.  Allen is now not the only name being mentioned on game broadcasts and football shows. 

Teams are getting wise to "hero ball".   
And around the League  you are seeing more leadership from Quarterbacks that Allen does not seem to be exhibiting.
 The play is over and he scoots to the bench.   You've seen other QBs stop and slap hands with the team coming off.

And what's with the thing he is putting in his mouth before each series lately.  zyn ???  
Have you seen Allen walk the bench and talk to his players?  With a thanks or fire them up?
Yes,  he has no # 1 receiver.   The question is will he be able to perform with  the Bills with a committed running game? Will he accept that?
The fans went for the leaping and "hero ball"  but  that alone will not get you  to and win a Super bowl?

     And the blame of this goes to The Coach and GM. 
      I am sure this will go over BIG with the Allen crowd on here.
 

Imo opinion there is nothing wrong with stating how you view  things. I too agree with some of what you are saying

[Sierra Foothills]

So far we have these theories for Josh not playing up to his standards (in no particular order and possibly in combination):

 

1) Hailee

2)Commercials

3) Poor wide receiver corps

4) Poor offensive coaching

5) Josh not being focused/having poor mechanics/losing confidence/being discouraged

 

Josh is my favorite Buffalo Bill of all time and I consider him one of the NFL all-time greats even after only 7+ seasons.

 

But he is not playing well. The KC game was an outlier. He's played poorly in several recent games. As I've said several times this week, Josh is not near the top of the list for why the offense sucks but he is on the list. And his poor play as the reigning MVP is an invitation for speculation. The Josh defenders here have to accept that.

 

2 hours ago, dayman said:

He needs to run more, scramble more to make things happen, and get in the game. A third of all Chiefs are broken plays that Mahomes makes happen—Allen needs to put on the cape and these WRs need to work on scramble rules execution. Wish it weren’t so but that’s the only way forward. The good news is, Allen is fully capable and those plays break defense’s souls when done right on 3rd.

 

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

I'll double down and continue to say Josh is not a great pocket passer and the organization is trying to make him that.  He's not Flacco or Brady back there.  His magic is stepping up in the pocket, moving around, waiting for guys to break open and hitting them or taking off and running, burning the opponent that way.

I disagree with these takes. Saying that the answer is extending plays... he's already doing that and unsuccessfully. That lends itself to hero ball and that's not the answer.

 

The starting point for Josh playing better is to take the layups and stop shooting for 3s. Make your reads, trust your reads and deliver the ball on schedule.

 

That's what he needs to start doing.

 

2 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Welp, that's quite the indictment of Josh  (who is untouchable) and McDermott (who is untouchable for now).

 

Brady's scheme is sound and the WRs aren't the problem.

 

Quite honestly the most depressing thing I've read today.  The fish is rotting from the head.

 

IMO, the problems that Josh is having can easily be fixed, provided the coaching is good.

 

What Josh did in the Chiefs game and all of last season is easily returned to... he just has to play within himself.

 

2 hours ago, ***** said:

Is Kubiak and Alan hater? This is the first time I'm looking at his analysis and I have to say I disagree with everything. That first route he shows the two defenders sit on the in routes and are clearly expecting it. It looks like a great read to avoid a pick six by Allen. There's literally nothing open on that play. To en route running the receiver right at the defender is dumb, Brady should have Shakir do an out or bench out there and then there might be someone open space. On the RPO it's perfectly defended by the dolphin. I'm not surprised Allen handed it off. They probably don't want him taking a lot of piss. it's just a dumb play call. There's just no one open on these routes and place. The offensive design is horrible.

 

No. Kubiak is not an Allen hater. He has been over-the-top in his praise of Josh and has almost always been profusely complimentary of his play.

 

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Cook didn’t get many carries because he was getting stuffed every time they ran the ball and it was putting them behind the sticks in a game where they trailed from the beginning. People don’t want to admit it, but Miami has a pretty formidable front seven vs the run.  It’s their DBs that are awful and we couldn’t take advantage.

 

And a reason for the bolded is that the Bills/Brady don't do a good enough job or mixing up the run and the pass on 1st and 2nd downs, IMO.

 

1 hour ago, Mango said:

This isn't a Miami week specific issue. He isn't just not throwing to the open guy, he is looking at guys who are open and just not throwing them the ball. His whole feel for the game is like half a beat off. I have seen him with 15+ yards of green grass in front of him only to chuck some last minute heave into double coverage that inevitibly falls incomplete instead of scampering out of bounds for 6 yards and leaving us with 3rd and 4 instead of 3rd and 10. 

It just has the feel of the 2018 season without the electricity.  The comment about "mind somewhere else" seems to maybe fit. Fixable but concerning. I do think that he is slow to process compared to his QB 1a peers (ie Mahomes, Brady, Manning). His physicality and physiology bail him out. When he is sharp he is unstopabble, but we he is not it isn't pretty. 

Anyways, it is clear this team would be lucky to even have two wins right now if it weren't for Allen. But better QB play would also have us undefeated. 

 

This is a great post, especially your last sentence (bolded). I couldn't agree more.

 

1 hour ago, mannc said:

My memory may be a little off, but this seems like a carbon copy of the situation two years ago that got Dorsey fired: A seriously flawed offensive system gets figured out by the rest of the league and runs into a wall.  If we see something similar vs Tampa, I don’t expect Brady to survive it.

 

BTW, Dorsey was fired after week 10... on November 14th. I don't assume Brady is safe by any means.

 

1 hour ago, BucketList said:

I would add another part to number 3. He’s referenced “trusting his feet” on a few occasions at pressers.  He’s referring to his mechanics. Maybe he’s struggling with that part of his game.  Ever since reporting to the Bills, his mechanics have been an ongoing project.  It’s probably an exhausting experience mentally.  I can relate to that issue with my golf swing.  Maybe he’s struggling and needs a sports psychologist, although I’m thinking that may already be in place.  I hope he finds what ever it is. 

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

He's correct his feet have been off all year. So has his arm. I cannot remember a season when I've seen him sidearm so many passes. I believe you are correct. His mechanics need another overhaul.

 

I agree that his mechanics aren't consistent. It was interesting that after the Chiefs game he was saying that he felt "slotted" and then the next week it's all gone. Among other observations, I always associate good QB mechanics with a higher release point... 3/4 to 7/8th release and he's throwing more sidearm for sure.

 

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'd love it this off season if he wakes up to the fact that half his career is past and demands the front office does the things most posters and observers of the team see as obvious flaws that need to be fixed if they want to make it to and win a Super Bowl. Let's start with getting some play making and impact receivers.

 

I said early on that Josh's Manning/Brady/Kelly/Marino gene is recessive and it might be helpful if he developed that gene.

 

Those that raise the expectations for those around them inevitably have to ask for more from themselves. It's a part of leadership... I can yell at you because I'm doing everything in my power...

 

[Juice_32]

I just know he's going to Andrew Luck us.

[nosejob]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think his struggle this year is about 3 things 

 

1. He doesn't have targets that get open. I saw on another thread he actually has the longest "time before he throws" in his career. That's gotta be frustrating to have your internal clock winding down and no on to throw to time and time again. I don't think he's had this little talent around him since Wyoming.

 

2. This is resulting in him seeing more pressure and far more hits in the pocket than he's had before. Those hits add up and force him to leave a clean pocket because, again he know he's held the ball too long because no one is open.

 

3. He's lost faith in something. Be it the skill level of the players around him or maybe Joe Brady and his offense. Maybe it's the things he's asked to do are things you ask a normal QB like Mac Jones to do and he's bored. But he, at least to my eyes, doesn't seem as invested with what is happening on the field as he was. 

 

Then, you can add in some outside things. Getting married is a huge life change. Realizing you're more than "just a ball player" and thinking, hey, Super Bowl or not...life goes on. Forces someone to look ahead a bit. 

1, 2, and 3 all have a common denominator. Josh leaving the pocket too early, too often. The last point....well

Edited 2 hours ago by nosejob

[Gugny]

Not saying that the offense doesn’t deserve to be torched by media and fans …

 

… but this is the same idiot who asserted two weeks ago that the Bills don’t have a wide receiver problem. 
 

He’s in the same category as Nick Wright. 
 

That category is “PURE CRAP.”

[MasterStrategist]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Maybe you are tired of having this same discussions with others, because I don't recall us directly talking about Allens poor play, because quite frankly Allen hasn't had a game like Miami in a very long time.

 

But it is interesting that you went this route when pressed to face facts.  There is no need for me to put you on ignore though, not sure I have ever done that and certainly never done that over a difference of opinion.  That being said, there is no value in discussing this further either, so we can move on.

He was probably tired of having the same discussion with me as well, lol.

 

Admitting to having a bias is the most difficult thing to do, or call it blinded Fandom.

 

Josh has discussed at many press conferences this season about "trusting his feet", mechanics and maybe he hasn't said he isnt seeing the field, but hes alluded to it and the all-22 doesn't lie.

 

Thats also not to say this WR crew is underwhelming and Bradys playcalls have been scatter shot too.  OL has let Josh down too.  Its alot going wrong, at times, and its the inconsistencies that weve seen Josh fix himself that just isnt happening this season.  

 

So we are stuck with a horrible 1st half vs Miami, and pick to start 2nd half.  Falcons and Pats game were the exact same.  

 

Its hard to admit, obviously harder for some, but Josh isnt playing like his usual self.  I could careless about some statistic saying he's completed 70%, great --- how about we look at stats from 1st half of games where we've played awful as an offense, Josh included.  33% of games this season, our offense has let us down -  Joshs stats sure look great after garbage time in Miami.  But he was something like 8 of 13 for 68 yards in 1st half (great compl %, so what tho?).

 

Its been a combination of things, but Josh is the one we hold to the highest standard as his ability and past performances have shown hes capable --- we need him to get out of whatever funk hes going thru...for than just 1 week, we need consistent Josh to have a shot at the division.

 

[Blackbeard]

29 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

With Allen the MVP Campaign is over.
The endorsements are signed.
And the MONEY is in the bank.
Allen is and has been an attention hound, loves the adulation.
He came here with fans clamoring for a Quarterback.   He was put into a situation with an inexperienced head coach and General Manger. 

He then made  "hero ball" as Buffalo's offense.  Hardly any running game.
   He clicked with Diggs.  

He got Management to let him take care of some of his "buddies"....Knox, Gabe, Kyle Allen , bring back Beasley,  big say in OC, and the latest he told them GET Coleman.
  This is not to say he didn't play his heart out.  But in the NFL you need more than one guy as we are now witnessing.
So MVP in the bag and now here comes a new "kid in town"  James Cook.  And Bills started using Cook as a running back.  The center of attention shifted.

And you can certainly see the difference in Allen's mood when Cook excels.
And along with that  Drake Maye is getting attention.  Allen is now not the only name being mentioned on game broadcasts and football shows. 

Teams are getting wise to "hero ball".   
And around the League  you are seeing more leadership from Quarterbacks that Allen does not seem to be exhibiting.
 The play is over and he scoots to the bench.   You've seen other QBs stop and slap hands with the team coming off.

And what's with the thing he is putting in his mouth before each series lately.  zyn ???  
Have you seen Allen walk the bench and talk to his players?  With a thanks or fire them up?
Yes,  he has no # 1 receiver.   The question is will he be able to perform with  the Bills with a committed running game? Will he accept that?
The fans went for the leaping and "hero ball"  but  that alone will not get you  to and win a Super bowl?

     And the blame of this goes to The Coach and GM. 
      I am sure this will go over BIG with the Allen crowd on here.
 

I agree with the part that Allen has no #1 receiver.  

The rest is ridiculous imo.

 

So by your views, Allen is an attention *****.  Is just here for money/endorsements.  Is pissed James Cook is great.  Is jealous of Maye.  Dips (FYI those are smelling salts).  Has no leadership quality.

 

One of the more bizarre posts i can recall.

Edited 1 hour ago by Blackbeard

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

He was probably tired of having the same discussion with me as well, lol.

 

Admitting to having a bias is the most difficult thing to do, or call it blinded Fandom.

 

Josh has discussed at many press conferences this season about "trusting his feet", mechanics and maybe he hasn't said he isnt seeing the field, but hes alluded to it and the all-22 doesn't lie.

 

Thats also not to say this WR crew is underwhelming and Bradys playcalls have been scatter shot too.  OL has let Josh down too.  Its alot going wrong, at times, and its the inconsistencies that weve seen Josh fix himself that just isnt happening this season.  

 

So we are stuck with a horrible 1st half vs Miami, and pick to start 2nd half.  Falcons and Pats game were the exact same.  

 

Its hard to admit, obviously harder for some, but Josh isnt playing like his usual self.  I could careless about some statistic saying he's completed 70%, great --- how about we look at stats from 1st half of games where we've played awful as an offense, Josh included.  33% of games this season, our offense has let us down -  Joshs stats sure look great after garbage time in Miami.  But he was something like 8 of 13 for 68 yards in 1st half (great compl %, so what tho?).

 

Its been a combination of things, but Josh is the one we hold to the highest standard as his ability and past performances have shown hes capable --- we need him to get out of whatever funk hes going thru...for than just 1 week, we need consistent Josh to have a shot at the division.

 

 

Well said 👏

[JMM]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But if you look closer at last season Allen had two things going on that he doesn't this year:

 

1) Cooper and Hollins made a lot of plays.  Cooper was elite with those tough back shoulder sideline catches and Hollins was fantastic off script.  The Bills also pushed the ball downfield and played much more aggressively on O in a lot of last seasons games.  Off the top of my head KC, LA Rams, Detroit, Arizona, Jacksonville & Seattle come to mind. The Bills running backs, particularly Johnson, were much more active DOWN FIELD in the passing game.  And before his injury Coleman was making a lot of big time catches. This season only the KC game and the 4th quarter against the Ravens has seen that attacking O we saw a lot last season.

 

2)  The D is noticeably weaker and not getting the TO's.  This is forcing the Bills O to double down on the running game and is leaving it with little room to shake off a slow start.  In how many games have the Bills fallen quickly behind by a TD? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup don't disagree with your points at all. Last season the everyone eats O was also starting to grind and that's why Beane got Cooper as a temporary fix. This is certainly not all on Josh in any way. Unfortunately it's several problems. Most of which we know.

 

1. Beane. I understood and supported the Diggs trade. But in trying to upgrade this position he has been completely half assed about it.  Either from arrogance,  ignorance or combo. When you have a Allen, this like I say borders on criminal for your responsibility as a GM.

 

2. Brady. It doesn't appear like he has adjusted to D adjustments over the past year or two now. His plays are predictable based on personel groupings.  The commentators were basically calling the plays in advance on Sunday.  Does he self scout??? You have to change it up. Also, you HAVE to try to take the top of the O several times a game. The Fins played a base D, with a single high safety and dared the Bills to go over the top. Let me repeat that: THE DOLPHINS, WITH ONE OF THE WORST SECONDARY IN THE NFL DARED JOSH ALLEN TO BEAT THEM THROUGH THE AIR. That sentence should NEVER ever be written. 

 

3. Josh as I outlined in my original post. Last year he played within the system as needed, he let the game come to him. He isn't doing that this year. That has to be figured out or changed. He doesn't trust the system or the players anymore. That can't continue.  He said himself after the game I've got to give guys a chance. Yes, he does. 

 

 

 

[extrahammer]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well said 👏

 

As someone who has had a broken nose, are we sure that didn't mess up his vision? He wore the visor for weeks afterwards, my own experience with a broken nose was similar to a concussion, in fact I had a "mild concussion" when I broke mine. IMO, this is possible cause, because Josh hasn't been "Same Ol' Josh" since then, and I'm just wondering if that's a thing. 

[beer can shower]

8 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I agree with the part that Allen has no #1 receiver.  

The rest is ridiculous imo.

 

So by your views, Allen is an attention *****.  Is just here for money/endorsements.  Is pissed James Cook is great.  Is jealous of Maye.  Dips (FYI those are smelling salts).  Has no leadership quality.

 

One of the more bizarre posts i can recall.

If you are saying that Allen  was putting smelling salts in his mouth that is the most bizarre posts I have ever seen.
And yes he was putting something in his mouth shown  on broadcast.
 

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, JMM said:

The bottom line is that Josh is simply not playing within the system like he did all last year and the half season when Brady took over. He's not taking the easy outlets

 

It's worth noting that defenses aren't stupid. They've dissected Brady's offense and know where the "easy outlets" are. As a result those reads are not as open as they were when Brady first made them a staple of the offense. Defenses are forming a wall of coverage right where they know our crappy WRs' depth is maximized and the DBs/LBs are leveraging themselves to drive on those short completions. Allen (and every QB for that matter) is reading leverage. Not just separation, leverage. If he sees a LB with their hips bent forward sitting 2 yards over a short completion he is usually going to turn down that throw unless it's 3rd and short.

 

Allen took one of those "easy outlets" to Shakir in this game - Shakir took a shot and gained 2 yards. He took one to Coleman against Carolina and the safety sitting over top of it came down and made the easy pass breakup. If he hadn't made those passes there would be people posting freeze frames saying "why didn't he hit this wide open target?" People vastly underestimate how fast back 7 players can trigger to the ball when they're properly leveraged. We can't live in this short completions against an ultra compressed defense world. You need to punish defenses that sell out against short completions, and we just don't have the personnel or the creative scheming to do that consistently.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HappyDays

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Lost said:

 

I dunno.   Josh played just fine in the '22 Sept inferno game in Miami throwing for 400 yards while everyone else around him was drop like flies from dehydration and cramping.   

He was 3 years younger and had Diggs.  He didn’t have to work as hard.  With the flushed red face, he was suffering.  Being a Ga boy, I’ve been there.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This 100% and it doesn't bode well for the Bills.  I suspect the lack of any move to upgrade Allen's weapons at the trade deadline hit him hard.  Allen is good friends with Darnold and it must have stung to see Seattle go out and bring in another WR while the Bills sat pat.  

 

And the play of the D has to be frustrating Allen in 2 ways:  They can't hold on to a lead or win a 16 - 13 game and Allen is being told to play in a way that doesn't fit his overall skill set to protect the D.  Look at Burrow who also has a bad D.  The Bengals don't put a governor on him and design an offense that protects their D they go in the opposite direction and turn every game into a shootout.  Sure it hasn't worked out all the well but I bet Burrow is having a blast out there and he probably thinks that if the Bengal's got a great RB to go along with their awesome WR's they would become the greatest show on turf and start winning those shootouts.

 

It's speculation on both of our parts but I think your theories (the previous one about Josh being a company man and now your Darnold and Burrow theories are ridiculous. You create these theories out of thin air.

 

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

The amateur psychologists in this thread should probably leave it to the pros.

 

Probably... but as you know, everyone has a "right" to their opinions on a message board... for better or worse.

 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'm going through the article now, and again I am wondering why some of these all-22 reviews don't at least try to understand why Allen is making certain decisions or turning down certain throws. Like Jim Kubiak here blames Allen for the failed 4th and 1 that Miami was all over. Here's the screenshot he uses:

 

 

Kubiak's take on this play:

 

 

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

 

@HappyDays, you're an excellent poster and certainly have excellent credibility but look, Jim Kubiak was a star quarterback in high school and in college where he was a 3 year starter. He set 22 school records at the Naval Academy. He played in the NFL for the Panthers, Colts and the Jets. He played in NFL Europe. He's coached college and in the Arena League. He runs a QB academy.

 

He has a lot of credibility.

 

2 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

I'd say Josh is burned the F out and can't maintain his level of play week in and week out. Especially with a bad defense and a coaching staff that fails year in and year out when it matters most

 

This is a super interesting theory and is diametrically opposed to the marriage/endorsement distraction theory of him not working hard enough.

 

There might be something to your theory.

 

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Aaron Rodgers said it a few years ago, that Josh gets into his own head.   He made that off handed comment during their golf match.  I never forgot it.  I just think Josh loses confidence and his ability to rip the ball into NFL windows or drop it in the bucket.  He not only doesn't trust the receivers,,,but also his own ability reading the defense, his footwork, and he's very concerned about making a mistake which may actually lead to more mistakes (INTs, fumbles, sacks).  A QB like Matt Stafford has a poor series or two, he still comes out and chucks the ball all over the place...even in London when they only had one decent healthy WR and two tight ends that no one ever heard of.  Stafford is mentally strong, maybe the best in the NFL.  Josh struggles a bit with the mental game.   I don't really think it's his wife like some are speculating here.

 

There might be something to this. To avoid any confusion, I disagree with those who say Josh is soft... he's played through numerous longterm injuries and is physically tough as nails. But you can see in his facial expressions the times that he has the eye of the tiger and the times that he doesn't.

 

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

It is why if there was one thing Daboll truly did excel with Josh with over maybe anyone else was mentally slapping him in the head and shaking him out of it. Daboll had a way with Josh that he could be real and Josh would listen. Maybe it was the age difference/experience that allowed a different connection where Dorsey/Brady were much younger by comparison, but even in 2021 when they were shaky for a bit Josh did seem to have such high/low times. If anything Hailee it seemed helped him break out of that especially last year and he said as much.

 

I truly believe the Bills not adding anyone mixed with the win of KC had a mental effect on everyone where they looked down on Miami who came out ready to fight AND in Joshs case not receiving help may have led to a "I gotta do it all type thing".

 

I really like this point too.

 

I really wonder if there's anyone on the Bills (coaches or players) who can really set Josh straight and say all the right things to get him into a better headspace. I don't know if Brady and Curry can coach him hard... or cajole him when it's needed.