Bills Utter Collapse-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Lost]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

 

I dunno.  Shavers certainly does look wide open there and Allen should be able to see that even with a defender bearing down on him.   He's not 5'9 Kyler Murray out there.   

[Big Turk]

Just now, extrahammer said:

 

I do believe that type of stuff can affect him. Reminds of the Bengals playoff loss and the rumors about police being called to his house the night before. 

 

I mean it would effect anyone in their day to day life I would think, especially when so much is demanded of them in terms of focus and preparation and details, etc.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

This is a GREAT analysis by Jim who always does a great job and often has marveled at how great Allen can be. The bottom line is that Josh is simply not playing within the system like he did all last year and the half season when Brady took over. He's not taking the easy outlets,  he's indecisive,  he is impatient, his fundamentals and footwork are poor again. The reasons for this need to be figured out. This is more than a slump. It's very surprising.  I didn't expect him to play at last year's level, but not this kind of backslide. It is very puzzling. 

But if you look closer at last season Allen had two things going on that he doesn't this year:

 

1) Cooper and Hollins made a lot of plays.  Cooper was elite with those tough back shoulder sideline catches and Hollins was fantastic off script.  The Bills also pushed the ball downfield and played much more aggressively on O in a lot of last seasons games.  Off the top of my head KC, LA Rams, Detroit, Arizona, Jacksonville & Seattle come to mind. The Bills running backs, particularly Johnson, were much more active DOWN FIELD in the passing game.  And before his injury Coleman was making a lot of big time catches. This season only the KC game and the 4th quarter against the Ravens has seen that attacking O we saw a lot last season.

 

2)  The D is noticeably weaker and not getting the TO's.  This is forcing the Bills O to double down on the running game and is leaving it with little room to shake off a slow start.  In how many games have the Bills fallen quickly behind by a TD? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by CincyBillsFan

[extrahammer]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

I mean it would effect anyone in their day to day life I would think, especially when so much is demanded of them in terms of focus and preparation and details, etc.

 

Hopefully whatever it is, he snaps out of it soon. 

[zow2]

As I've said to myself over the years if only Brady and Mahomes were never born.  I blame their parents! 😄  It would have saved us so many years of Bills misery.

 

I won't blame Hailee......yet.

[Wayne Cubed]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'm going through the article now, and again I am wondering why some of these all-22 reviews don't at least try to understand why Allen is making certain decisions or turning down certain throws. Like Jim Kubiak here blames Allen for the failed 4th and 1 that Miami was all over. Here's the screenshot he uses:

 

 

Kubiak's take on this play:

 

 

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

Not just the Miami DL bearing down on Allen, how about the fact that CB Jack Jones is ready to drive on the ball if Allen attempts to throw to Shavers. There's every chance he can break that up even if Allen somehow can get it up and over the defender. 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Wayne Cubed

[CincyBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

If Allen is focusing on the move the Seahawks are making than I have serious issues of his focus on his own team. That said Shaheed grand total of 23 scrimmage yards certainly would have helped us beat the Dolphins this weekend

That wasn't my point. It was a cumulative effect.  I have no idea what is going through Allen's head but I do suspect he probably expected a bigger move from Bean at the trade deadline and I know he's friends with Darnold and he had to notice the Seahawks making that move.

 

 

[Success]

Man, being a Bills fan is not for the weak.

 

[Yobogoya!]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'm going through the article now, and again I am wondering why some of these all-22 reviews don't at least try to understand why Allen is making certain decisions or turning down certain throws. Like Jim Kubiak here blames Allen for the failed 4th and 1 that Miami was all over. Here's the screenshot he uses:

 

 

Kubiak's take on this play:

 

 

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

 

I'm no great expert but it look to me like even if the rusher wasn't charging into Allen's view, juju brents (32) can simply take one step to the right and instantly be where Shavers is going to be stopping to receive the pass. 

 

Of course on fourth down you have to take a shot no matter how poor it is because you're turning over on downs in either case. But this was a dumb play from the word "go". 

[GolfandBills]

We got 2019 Josh Allen again 

[CincyBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'm going through the article now, and again I am wondering why some of these all-22 reviews don't at least try to understand why Allen is making certain decisions or turning down certain throws. Like Jim Kubiak here blames Allen for the failed 4th and 1 that Miami was all over. Here's the screenshot he uses:

 

 

Kubiak's take on this play:

 

 

What are we doing here? He thinks Allen turned down the pass to Shavers to try and... throw a TD to a covered Jackson Hawes who's standing at the 30?

 

He even draws a sight line from Allen to Shavers. Does anyone notice anything in the middle of that sight line? Like say a charging Miami defender directly blocking Allen's vision and throwing window to Shavers?

 

I really don't mind criticizing Allen when it's warranted but some of the analysis I see is just crazy to me. The offensive system and the players around him clearly have him out of rhythm and playing without confidence, that much is obvious. Can we agree that he's not playing at his best while also giving him some grace for the absolute mess surrounding him?

As an aside did Kubiak comment on the wisdom of the Bills running a pass play on 4th & 1 after they had shown Miami that they were going to pass on 4th & 1 on the previous play?

 

 

[WickedGame]

When I read all these comments from people blaming marriage and Hailee for Josh’s struggles, all I can think is “How f’ed up is your own marriage if this is the conclusion you come to using faulty logic?”

 

Why does the root problem have to start in the guy’s home life? Maybe our team just sucks. If I were him, I’d be tired of crappy play design and mediocre talent around me, too. 

[US Egg]

49 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

I’m not in the loop about his wife’s mental state, what is this all about? 

Grown men(ahem) are following his wife’s on line bemoanings and correlating it to his on field performance. 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, WickedGame said:

When I read all these comments from people blaming marriage and Hailee for Josh’s struggles, all I can think is “How f’ed up is your own marriage if this is the conclusion you come to using faulty logic?”

 

Why does the root problem have to start in the guy’s home life? Maybe our team just sucks. If I were him, I’d be tired of crappy play design and mediocre talent around me, too. 

Cuz something seems different about Josh and one of those differences is he's married so people correlate one to the other. Truth be told it could be any combination of things. Nobody but Josh truly knows.  

Edited 1 hour ago by The Jokeman

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Casey D said:

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Scathing analysis-- "While this game was difficult to watch, I hadn't anticipated the depth of trouble."

 

I cannot do the analysis justice because there is so much, but I will highlight:

 

Brady Game Plan-- Seemed to want to prove the Bills could throw the ball around the field instead of sticking to what worked against KC-- use Cook.  But overall, there were lots of plays that could have been made, but Allen inexplicably did not execute.

 

Allen-- "Allen's performance was below anything I've graded in his career."  It was mind boggling.  Terrible reads, passing over open receivers he was looking at, and simply not staying in-system.  On the end zone pic, the play call was perfect against Cover 0, he had three good options but took none of the, and on option 4 he threw a terrible pass to Shavers.  Josh's mind was clearly elsewhere on Sunday.

 

O-Line-- Terrible lack of effort and execution.  McGovern simply whiffed on blocks, and Dawkins  looked like he could give a s$$t on some plays.  No wonder Cook had some trouble running.

 

Offensive miscues crush D late-- After Allen's fumble which basically ended the game.  The D then collapsed.  Not an excuse, simply a fact according to Kubiak.

 

Kubiak's conclusion is better than anything I can paraphrase:

 

"[All-22] reveals more examples of poor execution and effort from Bills offense. There was a lack of desire and ferocity, a lack of mental focus, and a lack of guardrails to keep Allen within the contours of his responsibility on each play."

 

Read it and weep.  Behind BN paywall.

 

This is exactly what I have been saying. They have been used to doing this at times and still winning a lot games over the past 5+ years, so they got in the habit of doing this too often before. Now it's hard to break that habit when they can't get away with it anymore.

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[WotAGuy]

That pretty blonde shrink they have on the sidelines ain’t doing her job. I blame her. Beeotch. 

[26TrapDraw]

3 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

 

I say FU Jobu, I'll do it myself.

 

 

I wish he would do it himself but since he got married he traded in his cape for a V$&@!a

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

We got 2019 Josh Allen again 

You must not remember 2019 all that well.

 

Allen's stats that year:

 

59% pass completion; 3599 total yards; 29 total TD's; 16 total TO's; 6.7 yards per pass; Q-rating of 85

 

Based on Allen's first 9 games his projected 2025 numbers are:

 

70% pass completion; 4626 total yards; 41 total TD's; 13 total TO's; 8.1 yards per pass; Q-rating of 106

 

 

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

As an aside did Kubiak comment on the wisdom of the Bills running a pass play on 4th & 1 after they had shown Miami that they were going to pass on 4th & 1 on the previous play?

 

 

 

He doesn't specifically comment on that, he does give Brady a lot of blame for this performance throughout the article though. On this play he says a QB sneak or run would have been the right choice which I agree with.

 

But I think even some of his criticism of Brady is unfair. He keeps saying that Brady needed to lean on Cook more and that he got away from what has made our offense successful. I don't know what game Jim Kubiak watched, but in the one I watched the run blocking was garbage and Cook's ankle clearly wasn't entirely right. Not to mention we got down by 2 scores early so committing to the run wasn't really an option at that point.

 

As I've said before, every fan and analyst is tripping over themselves trying to find solutions that don't exist with the current personnel. "Allen needs to play with more fire." "Brady needs to run Cook 30 times a game." "Give Elijah Moore more targets." These are all nice ideas but they're all ultimately circling the drain that is this WR room. It's like some people still don't want to admit that Beane just utterly failed to give his QB and his OC the tools to be successful. We thought we could replicate last year's performance without making a single meaningful change to the WR room or to the scheme, and the resulting failure we're seeing this year was entirely predictable.

[BeastMaster]

Can anyone behin to imagine the pressure of being anointed the savior of this franchise and going through grueling losses in the regular season, to the postseason, and maybe the worst defeat ever in the 13 sec game

 

Imagine year after year of this. Then imagine marrying a Hollywood starlet and then her speaking on their marriage to the media while dealing with what was mentioned above 

 

You've also seen how he's gone Hollywood as well...doing commercials out the wazoo while trying to be a great husband and stay at the absolute peak of his craft

 

I'd say he's burned the F out and can't maintain his level of play week in and week out. Especially with a bad defense and a coaching staff that fails year in and year out when it matters most