Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[Nihilarian]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I know change probably isn't happening as Terry likes both McDermott and Beane. If Kim were healthy then I think there would have been a chance for change but unfortunately, she isn't healthy. After 9 years it's time for a change (IMHO). Maybe the players are starting to tune McDermott out. Last week's no-show at Miami wasn't a good look.

I don't think that the players were "tuning out" the HC was the problem as many other factors were involved. Such as the week previous they had just beaten their biggest rival and could have been an emotional letdown. Miami was so bad the week before they were beaten by the Ravens 28-6. Buffalo players might have thought that they would win just by showing up, coaches also as that offensive game plan stunk.

 

Then you have the heat and humidity nearly 90 degree weather and what some here are calling an excuse but the team suffered am extensive amount of injuries to the defense and some to the offense. C'mon, 30 points on offense for Miami with alligator arm Tua and a 2-7 team with both offensive and defensive ranking in the high 20s.

 

The Dolphins suck at everything this season except they were highly motivated by revenge as Buffalo had beaten them so many times previously as the Bills were 15-2 since 2017 under McD. The Dolphins head coach even went trolling into a Bills bar after the game to gloat. This game was the Dolphins super bowl. 

[mannc]

22 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Be sensible, as change won't happen unless there is a great deal of losing involved. I doubt any changes will be made even if this years team doesn't make the playoffs. Clearly this owner is not as frustrated as some of the fans here. My take is most want a SB so badly they aren't thinking straight.

 

The Baltimore Ravens have a two time MVP and haven't gotten to a SB yet and with a SB winning coach so he knows how to do get them there. The freaking Chiefs have been blocking all the AFC teams save that one year that the Bengals got in. And what happened to them since? 

Losing to the Chiefs in the playoffs every year is one thing…getting bounced from the AFCE by the Patriots is another thing entirely…it’s a huge wake-up call.  
 

I expect the Bills to beat Tampa on Sunday, but if they don’t, it’s gonna get ugly.  This has been a bad week for Brandon Beane, but a loss to Tampa, followed by a Thursday trip to Houston, with a top 3 defense, is gonna make this week look like a picnic in the park.

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Comparing the Bengals to the Bills is an interesting case study in NFL team building. The Bengals have done the following, in comparison to the Bills

1. Invested their limited resources completely in high-end talent and let all marginal players and high-end players at non-elite positions walk. That means that they have a QB, the best WR room in the NFL (which makes TBDers drool), one highly-paid OT (Orlando Brown), and one elite pass rusher. The rest of their roster is trash. They also let players like Jessee Bates (Safety) and DJ Reeder (DT) walk to get the cap space to pay Higgins, Chase, and Burrow. They also let Germaine Pratt leave this offseason to gather funds to pay Hendrickson.
2. They have let their star QB have complete say in personnel decisions. Burrow demanded that Chase be drafted instead of OL. He also demanded that both Chase and Higgins be paid. He always gets exactly what he wants. 

The Bills, on the other hand, look for value. So, they are trying to win without elite talent at the WR position because those players are, from an analytics standpoint, overpaid based on their game-to-game contributions. They have invested heavily in the OL and DL. Analytics tell you that there is value in doing that. For example, you can't scheme an elite LT out of contributing in a game.

 

I think that neither approach works, but the Bills have had more success in the regular season than the Bengals. The Bills lack the elite talent to get over the hump in the playoffs, while the Bengals fail at trying to outscore everyone. They have been a bad regular season team since 2022. People want to blame Burrow's inuuries, but last year he was healthy for 17 games and the Bengals went 9-8. But they are A LOT more fun to watch. 

C'mon dude as the Bills were only 3 points away from moving on the last two seasons and last year would have meant the Super Bowl! Not only that they were the #2 team in the NFL in scoring points last year and #1 including the playoffs. Buffalo has been a consistent winner in McD years in Buffalo and the ONLY reason they haven't made the SB is because the Chiefs were a better team.

 

The ONLY team that has won more games in the entire NFL the last five years has been KC.

[LarryMadman]

30 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Be sensible, as change won't happen unless there is a great deal of losing involved. I doubt any changes will be made even if this years team doesn't make the playoffs. Clearly this owner is not as frustrated as some of the fans here. My take is most want a SB so badly they aren't thinking straight.

 

The Baltimore Ravens have a two time MVP and haven't gotten to a SB yet and with a SB winning coach so he knows how to do get them there. The freaking Chiefs have been blocking all the AFC teams save that one year that the Bengals got in. And what happened to them since? 

Love the, " Chiefs have been blocking" get better than the Chiefs then, are the Bills not capable? People act as if getting better than the Chiefs is not possible, that is a losers mentallity, getting a little tired of hearing that!

Edited 3 hours ago by LarryMadman

[NastyNateSoldiers]

21 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I know change probably isn't happening as Terry likes both McDermott and Beane. If Kim were healthy then I think there would have been a chance for change but unfortunately, she isn't healthy. After 9 years it's time for a change (IMHO). Maybe the players are starting to tune McDermott out. Last week's no-show at Miami wasn't a good look.

I guarantee players are now tuning Mcd out there's only so many times u can hear the same speech the same game plans the same schemes before you start losing patience. 

[Nihilarian]

17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Every team has injuries. Total injuries mean nothing. The only thing that matters is WHO is injured. If you asked the Ravens would you rather lose 6 starters on defense or Lamar, they pick 6 starters on defense. Oliver is the only impact player to miss time. Benford is a good player but isn’t having a great year. He matters too. The Bills injury issues are WAY overblown because their best players are playing every week. Oliver is the only guy on the team that matters that has missed more than 1 game!!

This is where you and I really disagree as every injury matters! These man are all highly skilled professional athletes and when one goes down it can cause a glaring hole in that position group that opposing teams can exploit. Obviously there are positions where it matters more for a back up to replace a starter. The most glaring position would be at QB and starting RB like James Cook. 

 

The Bills lost starters TE Dalton Kincaid (hamstring) and several on defense and it mattered a great deal. You honestly believe that a fully healthy Buffalo team loses to a 2-7 Miami team? I know I don't. Tre White left the game injured for awhile, DE Landon Jackson filling in, then went out and is now on IR. CB Christen Benford out. Joey Bosa playing with one hand. AJ Epenesa out (concussion) Cam Lewis, Shaq Thompson and Ed Oliver all out.

 

This injuries doesn't matter stuff is sheer nonsense as if any starter leaves it creates a hole that the other team will exploit and Miami did just that by running the ball down the Bills throat. Miami RB Archane 22 carries for 172 yards, 2 TDs. 7 first downs. The Buffalo defense couldn't stop the run without their starters. 

 

Buffalo just could not get their offense going either with anything mid to deep as 12 Buffalo players were targeted in the passing game and all 12 caught a pass. Shakir 9 targets for 7 receptions for 58 yards and none caught a TD pass. Needless to say the Buffalo offense was discombobulated without Kincaid and never did get on track. For some reason Bills OC Joe Brady simply didn't run Cook enough at any point with 13 rushes for 52 yards, 2 TDs.

 

They got down by 16 and the entire offensive game plan went out the window for some reason. This was not the GM's or HC fault as some here would have you think as those are the real excuses. 

 

Should this team continue to suffer so many injuries and the miss the playoffs then I expect many more Bills fans will be here with their torches and pitchforks 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

It is, but he took his team to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor at QB too. 

Yep, he sure did. They were still a 9-7 team that scored 3 points in the playoff game. He deserves a lot of credit for building the program and foundation. He built a winning culture. He’s had 5 or 6 years of a championship caliber team and has yet to play for a championship. This year would be 6-7 year at that level if they fail to make the Super Bowl. 
 

No one is saying that McDermott hasn’t had success. The conversation is, “can he take the Bills all the way?” He’s had a lot of chances and never done it. There are plenty of examples of a new voice taking a team across the finish line. Jon Gruden did it. A few years ago the Raptors fired the reigning coach of the year and then won a championship.
 

Winning a WC & sometimes a divisional round games isn’t good enough for a team led by Josh Allen in his prime. That would be great for a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs in 17 years with Tyrod Taylor at the helm. That’s the point of this conversation. You can’t judge this regime against bad teams. That’s not the standard. They have the MVP of the league at QB. Championships are the only thing that matter now.

Edited 2 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

This is where you and I really disagree as every injury matters! These man are all highly skilled professional athletes and when one goes down it can cause a glaring hole in that position group that opposing teams can exploit. Obviously there are positions where it matters more for a back up to replace a starter. The most glaring position would be at QB and starting RB like James Cook. 

 

The Bills lost starters TE Dalton Kincaid (hamstring) and several on defense and it mattered a great deal. You honestly believe that a fully healthy Buffalo team loses to a 2-7 Miami team? I know I don't. Tre White left the game injured for awhile, DE Landon Jackson filling in, then went out and is now on IR. CB Christen Benford out. Joey Bosa playing with one hand. AJ Epenesa out (concussion) Cam Lewis, Shaq Thompson and Ed Oliver all out.

 

This injuries doesn't matter stuff is sheer nonsense as if any starter leaves it creates a hole that the other team will exploit and Miami did just that by running the ball down the Bills throat. Miami RB Archane 22 carries for 172 yards, 2 TDs. 7 first downs. The Buffalo defense couldn't stop the run without their starters. 

 

Buffalo just could not get their offense going either with anything mid to deep as 12 Buffalo players were targeted in the passing game and all 12 caught a pass. Shakir 9 targets for 7 receptions for 58 yards and none caught a TD pass. Needless to say the Buffalo offense was discombobulated without Kincaid and never did get on track. For some reason Bills OC Joe Brady simply didn't run Cook enough at any point with 13 rushes for 52 yards, 2 TDs.

 

They got down by 16 and the entire offensive game plan went out the window for some reason. This was not the GM's or HC fault as some here would have you think as those are the real excuses. 

 

Should this team continue to suffer so many injuries and the miss the playoffs then I expect many more Bills fans will be here with their torches and pitchforks 

 

 

No they don’t. Missing a depth player like Epenesa is not like missing Lamar or Burrow. It’s not the same as missing an impact player outside of QB like Ceedee Lamb. The delta from elite players to role players is significant. The delta from role players to other role players is non existent. There is no drop off from Zion Logue to Mathis to Phillips to whomever. Does it really matter that much if they are forced to play Elijah Moore because Curtis Samuel is dinged? Of course not!! Role players are interchangeable and that’s why the Bills injury issues are overblown. Until this week, Oliver is the only impact player that’s missed more than a game. Kincaid will miss his 2nd. 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I guarantee players are now tuning Mcd out there's only so many times u can hear the same speech the same game plans the same schemes before you start losing patience. 

 

I don't think that is a guarantee. It is possible, certainly. I'm not ruling it out at all. But you can't guarantee that.

[Nihilarian]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No they don’t. Missing a depth player like Epenesa is not like missing Lamar or Burrow. It’s not the same as missing an impact player outside of QB like Ceedee Lamb. The delta from elite players to role players is significant. The delta from role players to other role players is non existent. There is no drop off from Zion Logue to Mathis to Phillips to whomever. Does it really matter that much if they are forced to play Elijah Moore because Curtis Samuel is dinged? Of course not!! Role players are interchangeable and that’s why the Bills injury issues are overblown. Until this week, Oliver is the only impact player that’s missed more than a game. Kincaid will miss his 2nd. 

What don't you get that it wasn't just one player! Look at the injury list and all those injuries and they matter. Seven or eight starters our or injured and think I missed Michael Hoechet that had a huge impact in the game he played. It all adds up to a devastating causation. A big reason as to why a 2-7 team beat Buffalo 30-13. 

[Low Positive]

35 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

C'mon dude as the Bills were only 3 points away from moving on the last two seasons and last year would have meant the Super Bowl! Not only that they were the #2 team in the NFL in scoring points last year and #1 including the playoffs. Buffalo has been a consistent winner in McD years in Buffalo and the ONLY reason they haven't made the SB is because the Chiefs were a better team.

 

The ONLY team that has won more games in the entire NFL the last five years has been KC.

I agree 100%.

[GroteStreet]

51 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

This is where you and I really disagree as every injury matters! These man are all highly skilled professional athletes and when one goes down it can cause a glaring hole in that position group that opposing teams can exploit. Obviously there are positions where it matters more for a back up to replace a starter. The most glaring position would be at QB and starting RB like James Cook. 

 

The Bills lost starters TE Dalton Kincaid (hamstring) and several on defense and it mattered a great deal. You honestly believe that a fully healthy Buffalo team loses to a 2-7 Miami team? I know I don't. Tre White left the game injured for awhile, DE Landon Jackson filling in, then went out and is now on IR. CB Christen Benford out. Joey Bosa playing with one hand. AJ Epenesa out (concussion) Cam Lewis, Shaq Thompson and Ed Oliver all out.

 

This injuries doesn't matter stuff is sheer nonsense as if any starter leaves it creates a hole that the other team will exploit and Miami did just that by running the ball down the Bills throat. Miami RB Archane 22 carries for 172 yards, 2 TDs. 7 first downs. The Buffalo defense couldn't stop the run without their starters. 

 

Buffalo just could not get their offense going either with anything mid to deep as 12 Buffalo players were targeted in the passing game and all 12 caught a pass. Shakir 9 targets for 7 receptions for 58 yards and none caught a TD pass. Needless to say the Buffalo offense was discombobulated without Kincaid and never did get on track. For some reason Bills OC Joe Brady simply didn't run Cook enough at any point with 13 rushes for 52 yards, 2 TDs.

 

They got down by 16 and the entire offensive game plan went out the window for some reason. This was not the GM's or HC fault as some here would have you think as those are the real excuses. 

 

Should this team continue to suffer so many injuries and the miss the playoffs then I expect many more Bills fans will be here with their torches and pitchforks 

 

 

Every team has injuries; Buffalo is not in any type of special category because of theirs'.  I am sure an argument can be made that there are 10 teams in the league in worse shape injury wise than the Bills.  Oliver is the only proven difference maker out for a long period of time.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I haven't read through the first 19 pages so I'm not sure if this is mentioned.

 

With the extreme unlikelihood that Beane or McDermott will be dismissed, I think the better/more realistic question may be "Who do we want at OC and DC next year?"

 

For me if either Babich or Brady aren't brought back, I think as unsettling as it is there is the distinct likelihood they will, again, promote from within. I would expect either Kromer or Ronald Curry to be put in the OC spot. And on defense, I would suspect McDermott takes back his defense. 

 

But, what if we look outside the organization? Who would make sense at OC and DC? And no, I don't think Daboll is brought back. 

[DrDawkinstein]

51 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

C'mon dude as the Bills were only 3 points away from moving on the last two seasons and last year would have meant the Super Bowl! Not only that they were the #2 team in the NFL in scoring points last year and #1 including the playoffs. Buffalo has been a consistent winner in McD years in Buffalo and the ONLY reason they haven't made the SB is because the Chiefs were a better team.

 

The ONLY team that has won more games in the entire NFL the last five years has been KC.

 

Hilarious (and sad) that you can say that when "13 seconds" exists.

 

We've been the better team in multiple instances, but the coaching has let us down in each of those opportunities.

[ScotSHO]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I haven't read through the first 19 pages so I'm not sure if this is mentioned.

 

With the extreme unlikelihood that Beane or McDermott will be dismissed, I think the better/more realistic question may be "Who do we want at OC and DC next year?"

 

For me if either Babich or Brady aren't brought back, I think as unsettling as it is there is the distinct likelihood they will, again, promote from within. I would expect either Kromer or Ronald Curry to be put in the OC spot. And on defense, I would suspect McDermott takes back his defense. 

 

But, what if we look outside the organization? Who would make sense at OC and DC? And no, I don't think Daboll is brought back. 

The Pegula factor (aka Sabres-esque moves) dictates it will be - Rick Dennison.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

I haven't read through the first 19 pages so I'm not sure if this is mentioned.

 

With the extreme unlikelihood that Beane or McDermott will be dismissed, I think the better/more realistic question may be "Who do we want at OC and DC next year?"

 

For me if either Babich or Brady aren't brought back, I think as unsettling as it is there is the distinct likelihood they will, again, promote from within. I would expect either Kromer or Ronald Curry to be put in the OC spot. And on defense, I would suspect McDermott takes back his defense. 

 

But, what if we look outside the organization? Who would make sense at OC and DC? And no, I don't think Daboll is brought back. 

 

Kromer and/or Curry at OC would be such a travesty.

 

Not sure who the hot upcoming QB coaches are that we could steal and promote to OC, but I know Mark Brunell is out there.

 

He'd never do it, but I'd love to see McD go get a guy like Schwartz and just stay out of his way and let him do his thing. Let McD transition into a true HC role. I'm sure there will be defensive based HCs fired this year to step back into a DC spot. We'll have to see who comes available.

[T.E.]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He'd never do it, but I'd love to see McD go get a guy like Schwartz and just stay out of his way and let him do his thing. Let McD transition into a true HC role. I'm sure there will be defensive based HCs fired this year to step back into a DC spot. We'll have to see who comes available.

McDermott is very cognizant of the fact that a big-name coordinator could question his strategy or even possibly replace him, so as long as he's here, we will not have a guy like that.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

What don't you get that it wasn't just one player! Look at the injury list and all those injuries and they matter. Seven or eight starters our or injured and think I missed Michael Hoechet that had a huge impact in the game he played. It all adds up to a devastating causation. A big reason as to why a 2-7 team beat Buffalo 30-13. 

Oh I get it. It’s not a big reason that they were blown out by a 2-7 team. Every team has injuries. That 2-7 team was missing their best pass rusher and their top CB. They are also playing without a HOF WR. Earlier in the week, that 2-7 team traded their other top pass rusher. So, to recap they were playing without their best CB, their 2 best pass rushers and a HOF WR. That team WON by 3 scores. 
 

The Bills injuries are an excuse this year. There have been times where injuries have been a factor. At the same time, their MVP QB has the longest active starting streak in the NFL. Their elite OL has missed 2 games COMBINED dating back to last season!! 

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Hilarious (and sad) that you can say that when "13 seconds" exists.

 

We've been the better team in multiple instances, but the coaching has let us down in each of those opportunities.

Hey, you know what? It was killing me that the Bills had a 98.8 chance to win that game and losing that game like that in overtime like that still hurts. Stuff happens man, and Patrick Mahomes given that little extra chance pulled it out.

 

Leslie Frazier calls for a "prevent defense" It would have been home field against the Bengals and they lost to the Rams in the SB. I'm not gonna continue to cry about it. I've seen what this team is capable of when everyone is healthy and its a championship team. I just hope for the best. 

[DeltaDigital]

19 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

What if the new GM wants to bring in his own HC and tells Terry he won't take the job unless he has the option to fire McDermott. 

fine. mcdermott can hit the bricks. not sure who's better.. the answer was vrabel... clearly... but oops.