Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

For me, it’s the fact that I think this regime has gotten stale. The Bills were better 4 years ago than they are today. I believe a new voice and fresh outlook are needed. These guys have fallen in love with the guys they chose. That’s why you’re quick to extend Bernard or to bring back guys like Spector and Dane. 
 

Personally, I also think that they are near their floor now. With this schedule, and a healthy Josh, 11-6 should be the worst they could be with any competent leadership. There’s no downside risk imo. I don’t think if you hire “insert GM & coach name here” the Bills all of a sudden become a 7 win team. That’s just not happening. These guys get a ton of credit for building to here but they get very little credit for their ability to take it beyond here. Teams on the verge have made changes before and won championships shortly after. 

 

After nine years it feels like a change is needed. The Eagles eventually moved on from Reid, and he had more success in Philly then Sean has had in Buffalo. He led the Eagles to 9 playoff runs, 6 division titles, 5 NFCCG appearances as well as a Super Bowl appearance. The Bills IMHO need a change. I would love to hear from Terry on what he thinks of the Bills right now since his opinion is the only one that counts.

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Sober Kiffin is a much more mature guy. He’s still a sarcastic jackass but he’s a different dude. He has developed into a really good leader and a winner. The Joey Freshwater days are over. Kiffin is one of the best football coaches in the world IMO. I suspect he goes to Florida but would love him paired with Josh. That’s  the best path to a Super Bowl IMO.

 

I'm afraid I disagree with basically all of this. 

[schoolhouserock]

Trade whatever it takes, less Josh Allen, to get Shanahan from the 49ers. His second string still wins games.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

18 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I don’t want a new GM. I think we have good players. I think the issue is coaching. I don’t really want to reinvent the wheel and as unpopular as it sounds, I like Brady. My only wish is for a new voice in the defensive room. If it was up to me I’m promoting Brady to HC. I want an established DC that preferably has HC experience to just fix this mess. A dream scenario is Wade Philips. That’s probably not realistic. I want a guy in that mold. Was a HC and has a history of excellent defenses. I want nothing that has to do with any philosophy that McDermott has ever touched. I want fast and physical, man aggressive Defense.  If the Brady ship has sailed, I’d be interested in a guy that has already won. Belicheck or Gruden. I’m not going to get another HC that is a lateral move. I either want one of the top end guys or I’ll stay the course with Brady and hire the best DC available. We are really close. A slight change in defensive coaching can get us over the hump. I know it 

Belicheck and Daboll combo would be the best we can do. Josh best yrs were in the Ehardt Perkins system and Belicheck will get this defense to Superbowl caliber. BB knows the formula to winning it all he would be Josh Allen's Phil Jackson! 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Belicheck and Daboll combo would be the best we can do. Josh best yrs were in the Ehardt Perkins system and Belicheck will get this defense to Superbowl caliber. BB knows the formula to winning it all he would be Josh Allen's Phil Jackson! 

 

Rumors/speculation in the NYC area about Bill going to the Giants. He has history there and has always spoken highly of the organization. If he did become their next HC I wouldn't be surprised.

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm afraid I disagree with basically all of this. 

Lol, a few times a year, you and I are on opposite pages. It makes for good conversation and debate. 🍻 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Rumors/speculation in the NYC area about Bill going to the Giants. He has history there and has always spoken highly of the organization. If he did become their next HC I wouldn't be surprised.

Giants will definitely be in the mix for Belicheck they have a ton of top talented players at key positions. The Bills will also be a great spot for Belicheck for a few reasons

 

#1 is he loves Josh Allen and would definitely want to coach him.

 

#2 Coming back and beating the Patriots would definitely be bonus for him. 

 

#3 Would be able to bring Daboll with him to the Bills 

 

#4 The Storyline would fit like a glove imagine Belicheck taking the team he tormented to the Superbowl 

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

After nine years it feels like a change is needed. The Eagles eventually moved on from Reid, and he had more success in Philly then Sean has had in Buffalo. He led the Eagles to 9 playoff runs, 6 division titles, 5 NFCCG appearances as well as a Super Bowl appearance. The Bills IMHO need a change. I would love to hear from Terry on what he thinks of the Bills right now since his opinion is the only one that counts.

Part of the problem here is people have a tough time detaching from the drought. Obviously they hired a bunch of average to bad coaches in that time. Not one of them had Josh Allen though. What would Chan Gailey look like with Josh? The downside risk just isn’t there to keep status quo. We have 5 or so years of prime Josh left. You can’t miss this window IMO or you might not get one. They’ve already let it get too far IMO.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

So, at 6-3 many of you are calling for a complete overhaul.  Do you think just maybe the rash of injuries leading to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string reserves taking the field on defense might have made the difference in at least 1 or 2 of the losses?  If the record was 7-2 would you still be calling for a regime change?

 

On offense, we're fortunate to have a good O-line and RB that stays healthy, but ironically, the passing game is now the offense's Achilles heal, even with an MVP QB.  

It's too late now, but in the offseason, the Bills need to do everything and anything to get Josh weapons that can be game-changers. Wideouts that can stretch the field and get separation. The 'everyone eats' nonsense is not the answer.  Josh has maybe the worst group of WRs in the league. Shakir is a reliable weapon. Kincaid would be too if he could stay on the field. 

Is Joe Brady a problem? I suspect he wasn't ready to assume the role of coordinator for a team with super bowl aspirations.  Reading the tea leaves, I'd say Babich may be taking a Fraser-style much needed break after this season. 

Enough with the on-the-job training of these coordinators. Get experienced minds to run the offense and defense.

I don't think firing McDermott or Beane is the answer. It's a recipe for the revolving door of coaches that was such a joy during 'the drought'. 

Get healthy, get a stud WR somehow, and bring in experienced coordinators with winning track records.

McBeane has had many chances to fix this team but they keep slamming there heads on the wall trying the same things. Every off-season is the same build depth and no consolidation of assets for difference makers. Spending good cap space for backups mortgaging our future for short term contracts. This is a recipe for disaster. They don't know the formula for winning big whether it's X's and O's or philosophy or drafting difference makers they can't get it done just look at all the assets they put into the Dline in these 9yrs and they only have 1 double digits sack season out of it with Floyd.  They got to go they are riding on Josh back and now he can't carry them any longer. 

[RyanC883]

Kubiack and whoever as GM.  

 

One interesting thought: trade McD for Tomlin, straight up.  Both are stale where they are, but both likely good coaches.  Would each be better in a different environment.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

56 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Belicheck and Daboll combo would be the best we can do. Josh best yrs were in the Ehardt Perkins system and Belicheck will get this defense to Superbowl caliber. BB knows the formula to winning it all he would be Josh Allen's Phil Jackson! 

Belicheck would have already won us a Super Bowl. Probably two. I can’t imagine a world where we fire McDermott. The guy should have been gone after 13 seconds. Definitely after we lost to KC at home in the playoffs. He’s not going to get fired. We need him to leave on his own

[RyanC883]

19 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

Short of a massive sexual assault scandal, the HC and GM will not change in at least 2 seasons.

 

I fear this is true.  I will also stop financially supporting the Bills during that time.  Just total waste by an owner. Demonstrates the owner cares only about $$, and not winning a SB.  

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Belicheck would have already won us a Super Bowl. Probably two. I can’t imagine a world where we fire McDermott. The guy should have been gone after 13 seconds. Definitely after we lost to KC at home in the playoffs. He’s not going to get fired. We need him to leave on his own

 

I wonder if Pegs would consider trading him.  Hey, we didn't fire him, we traded him to the Giants for Nabers or a 1st.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I fear this is true.  I will also stop financially supporting the Bills during that time.  Just total waste by an owner. Demonstrates the owner cares only about $$, and not winning a SB.  

 

I wonder if Pegs would consider trading him.  Hey, we didn't fire him, we traded him to the Giants for Nabers or a 1st.  

I live an hour from MetLife. I get a lot of the giant talk 365. These guys were down here saying they wanted McDermott. I’d trade the guy for literally anything. Devin singletary for McD straight up. I know it won’t happen but still. My dream is somehow McDermott doesn’t wanna deal with the aggravation of pros and can get involved in that Penn state job. But i doubt it 

Edited 24 minutes ago by Brianmoorman4jesus

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I live an hour from MetLife. I get a lot of the giant talk 365. These guys were down here saying they wanted McDermott. I’d trade the guy for literally anything. Devin singletary for McD straight up. I know it won’t happen but still. My dream is somehow McDermott doesn’t wanna deal with the aggravation of pros and can get involved in that Penn state job. But i doubt it 

 

That's funny, I live near PGH and fans are hoping to trade Tomlin to the Giants.  I'd rather we trade McD.  Imagine getting a 1st for him.  Prob could.  The Bears offered something crazy for Tomlin and  the doofus Rooney's said no.  

[PayDaBill$]

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Belicheck and Daboll combo would be the best we can do. Josh best yrs were in the Ehardt Perkins system and Belicheck will get this defense to Superbowl caliber. BB knows the formula to winning it all he would be Josh Allen's Phil Jackson! 

Belicheck is washed and his success was largely due to Brady, he’s done zip without him, Daboll is a clown.

Edited 17 minutes ago by PayDaBill$

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

That's funny, I live near PGH and fans are hoping to trade Tomlin to the Giants.  I'd rather we trade McD.  Imagine getting a 1st for him.  Prob could.  The Bears offered something crazy for Tomlin and  the doofus Rooney's said no.  

I’d literally take anything. Obviously I hope we somehow rally and win the Super Bowl this year then whatever, I’ll eat every word and he can be the coach until he dies…but operating in reality how many more chances is he going to get? Like, make it this year or please let us move you to the front office or something. The 9/11 speech was our way out and we blew it