Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Kubiak is my first choice by far but Saleh with McDaniel at OC intrigues me. Both San Fran guys so the connection is easy to make. Saleh always had his defense performing at a top tier level and it wasn't his choice to bring the circus to town in New Jersey.

 

That combination is intriguing, but make no mistake that is a Head Coach downgrade that you are hoping outperforms what we have by a bit of freshness of voice and potentially an upgrade at OC. While I agree Saleh wasn't responsible for bringing the entire circus to town in NYC he definitely didn't help himself with his press interactions. 

 

7 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Saleh would also be one of the few guys where I don't think we have to totally rebuild on defense. That combination would be nasty. 

 

This is a good point. Fundamentally it's the same defense. 

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

For Rex, Terry was a brand new owner and relied on Russ and Doug, and while Whaley needed to be convinced he ultimately came around on Rex.

 

After that, Terry used an outside consulting firm and they are the ones who helped him identify McDermott. Whaley was barely involved as he was on the hot seat and on his way out as well.

 

So the only HC that Terry has hired himself has been McD.

 

I'll also point out that in Novemeber of 2016, no one in Bills Country was talking about Sean McDermott or likely even knew his name. So when you see folks present the "well give me the name of who is going to be better" argument, it doesnt really stand and it doesnt really matter. We all knew a change was needed, just like we all know a change is needed now. The pros will figure it out. Or not.

 

 

Yea McDermott was hired by Terry, not Whaley. 

 

[Buffalo ill]

1 hour ago, ClosetFan said:

This is exactly where I am at.

I agree with you and the post you quoted.

 

I was ready to quit watching after the playoff blowout loss to the Bengals.  I actually realized how bad being a 30+ year Bills fan actually made me feel.

 

The problem was my wife actually pulled me back into it.  She randomly started showing an interest in football she never had before, began rooting for the Bills, and watching games.  I started to look forward to watching the game with her and our dogs on the couch.

 

Fast forward two more loses to KC in the playoffs, and I hit what I deemed to be an irreversible wall.  After the afccg last year, I really thought about how awful being a bills fan makes me feel.

 

Seeing them in their downward spiral this year isn't hotting as hard as it would have in years past.  I'm more disgusted with the team, and how Billsy it will be if NE goes to the superbowl, than anything.  It feels like a waste of Allen's talent (though he isn't blameless) and my time.

 

I mainly watch this year because i forgot to turn off my youtube tv/and nfl package renewals.

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I agree with you and the post you quoted.

 

I was ready to quit watching after the playoff blowout loss to the Bengals.  I actually realized how bad being a 30+ year Bills fan actually made me feel.

 

The problem was my wife actually pulled me back into it.  She randomly started showing an interest in football she never had before, began rooting for the Bills, and watching games.  I started to look forward to watching the game with her and our dogs on the couch.

 

Fast forward two more loses to KC in the playoffs, and I hit what I deemed to be an irreversible wall.  After the afccg last year, I really thought about how awful being a bills fan makes me feel.

 

Seeing them in their downward spiral this year isn't hotting as hard as it would have in years past.  I'm more disgusted with the team, and how Billsy it will be if NE goes to the superbowl, than anything.  It feels like a waste of Allen's talent (though he isn't blameless) and my time.

 

I mainly watch this year because i forgot to turn off my youtube tv/and nfl package renewals.

I have been a fan since 86' and I'm just getting tired.  Its tough when you feel that no matter what, you aren't getting there because of the front office.

 

The drought was bad but it felt different.  I have to say its because we didn't have a Josh Allen at QB.  

 

When you have a top 3 QB and KNOW as fans what needs to be done, but have a front office hell bent on doing the opposite, it just guts you.  

 

 

[BillsMontreal]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I agree with you and the post you quoted.

 

I was ready to quit watching after the playoff blowout loss to the Bengals.  I actually realized how bad being a 30+ year Bills fan actually made me feel.

 

The problem was my wife actually pulled me back into it.  She randomly started showing an interest in football she never had before, began rooting for the Bills, and watching games.  I started to look forward to watching the game with her and our dogs on the couch.

 

Fast forward two more loses to KC in the playoffs, and I hit what I deemed to be an irreversible wall.  After the afccg last year, I really thought about how awful being a bills fan makes me feel.

 

Seeing them in their downward spiral this year isn't hotting as hard as it would have in years past.  I'm more disgusted with the team, and how Billsy it will be if NE goes to the superbowl, than anything.  It feels like a waste of Allen's talent (though he isn't blameless) and my time.

 

I mainly watch this year because i forgot to turn off my youtube tv/and nfl package renewals.

You're not alone. Same feelings here.   Our QB is a future HOF, we pay him for what he is: a franchise QB.  Then, we build the team for a game manager at best. It's too much for me. I still watch and root for them, but not surprise at all and with less passion.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Saleh would also be one of the few guys where I don't think we have to totally rebuild on defense. That combination would be nasty. 

 

But totally rebuilding on defense is one of the selling points on a change. Time to move away from the scheme and the type of players it demands. There will be enough that can stick around and transition to the new defense, but an overhaul is part of what I'm after.

[ProcessTruster]

17 hours ago, MPL said:

You'll get Ron Rivera and you'll like it. 

many on this board deserve him.  would be total karma

[Gregg]

The Bills have missed on too many draft picks in the early rounds during Beane's time here. If McDermott and Beane are coming back (Spoiler alert - THEY ARE) then Beane should look to improve the scouting department. They deserve some of the blame here as well as far as striking out in the early rounds of the draft. Overall, this roster isn't all that great and the scouts own some of the blame for that.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

The Bills have missed on too many draft picks in the early rounds during Beane's time here. If McDermott and Beane are coming back (Spoiler alert - THEY ARE) then Beane should look to improve the scouting department. They deserve some of the blame here as well as far as striking out in the early rounds of the draft. Overall, this roster isn't all that great and the scouts own some of the blame for that.

OR... beane stay out of the draft mostly and hire an assistant GM and staff, that focuses on the draft.

 

And quit trying to be cute.   Take the dam WR from OSU, or the guy from OU, Georgia, Bama etc.

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But totally rebuilding on defense is one of the selling points on a change. Time to move away from the scheme and the type of players it demands. There will be enough that can stick around and transition to the new defense, but an overhaul is part of what I'm after.

With defenses today I feel you got to rush from inside out and defend more Man vs Zone unless you disguise something.

 

Im still of the opinion, and I can be wrong,  3-4 type scheme would work really well if done right.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

The Bills have missed on too many draft picks in the early rounds during Beane's time here. If McDermott and Beane are coming back (Spoiler alert - THEY ARE) then Beane should look to improve the scouting department. They deserve some of the blame here as well as far as striking out in the early rounds of the draft. Overall, this roster isn't all that great and the scouts own some of the blame for that.

 

Actually the Bills scouts are pretty good. That is why they perform so well on day 3 of the draft - which is the scouts day. Day 1 and 2 are on the senior personnel team - Beane, Gaine, Gray primarily. 

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not asking him to marry my daughter. He’s a good football coach, great offensive mind with an edge. This team has no swagger anymore. Watching Josh sit at the end of the bench hanging his head isn’t working for me. I want them to attack. Play with that edge that’s missing. Kiffin will do that.
 

Lol, people are seriously advocating for Jon Gruden but not open to Lane Kiffin?!? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s not directed at you specifically. That’s more directed at this group in general. Jon Gruden is a terrible football coach.

 

I'm not open to either of them. Lane Kiffin would be a return to Rex IMO. A thoroughly dislikeable jackass who would not work hard enough to be an NFL Head Coach because he thinks he knows it all anyway. And the last time Gruden was good I was a young man. Hard NO to both. 

[jcamm1966]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not open to either of them. Lane Kiffin would be a return to Rex IMO. A thoroughly dislikeable jackass who would not work hard enough to be an NFL Head Coach because he thinks he knows it all anyway. And the last time Gruden was good I was a young man. Hard NO to both. 

He is not leaving Ole Miss sorry guys

Matt Patrica is run the D , anyone see OSU Defense lately.

[jcamm1966]

What is McD exactly , is he just the CEO or what . One thing I did notice Sunday was Varbel interacting with his players, talking to the Defense and Maye.  I love that is a coach, Bill did it alot in NE also. I never see McD do any that stuff Ben Johnson and Mcvay does it also always engaged with his team . 

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not open to either of them. Lane Kiffin would be a return to Rex IMO. A thoroughly dislikeable jackass who would not work hard enough to be an NFL Head Coach because he thinks he knows it all anyway. And the last time Gruden was good I was a young man. Hard NO to both. 

I think Lane, post-Saban is a different guy. He’s still a punk but this teams needs a little more of that. That’s one of the qualities that I most desire in the next HC. They’ve lost their edge. They’re better when they’re fiery. That’s certainly true for Josh. 
 

Sober Kiffin is a much more mature guy. He’s still a sarcastic jackass but he’s a different dude. He has developed into a really good leader and a winner. The Joey Freshwater days are over. Kiffin is one of the best football coaches in the world IMO. I suspect he goes to Florida but would love him paired with Josh. That’s  the best path to a Super Bowl IMO.
 

I do like Kubiak too and would be open to him. As someone that has wanted McDermott gone for a while, I’m open to a lot of alternatives. A new voice is necessary to get to the next step and the clock is ticking. With that being said Gruden isn’t an alternative for me. He’s a bad football coach. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

11 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Nobody really knows. People just want change for the sake of making a change. No guarantee that changing HC/GM will amount to anything.
 

What I do know is that under McDermott/Beane the Bills have done a whole lot of winning. Now they haven’t reached the SB which is disappointing but they have been close. It always comes down to one or two plays that has prevented them on kicking the door down. 

You want to just keep spinning the tires so to speak. These guys are not Superbowl quality they don't know the formula. They will ruin Allen career until he asks for a trade. 

[Kirby Jackson]

22 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

He is not leaving Ole Miss sorry guys

Maybe not. The old Kiffin would have already taken one of these jobs. I do think he goes to Florida but the timing may not work if Ole Miss keeps advancing. He won’t jump ship early this time IMO. He has outgrown that.

Edited 2 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[SoMAn]

So, at 6-3 many of you are calling for a complete overhaul.  Do you think just maybe the rash of injuries leading to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string reserves taking the field on defense might have made the difference in at least 1 or 2 of the losses?  If the record was 7-2 would you still be calling for a regime change?

 

On offense, we're fortunate to have a good O-line and RB that stays healthy, but ironically, the passing game is now the offense's Achilles heal, even with an MVP QB.  

It's too late now, but in the offseason, the Bills need to do everything and anything to get Josh weapons that can be game-changers. Wideouts that can stretch the field and get separation. The 'everyone eats' nonsense is not the answer.  Josh has maybe the worst group of WRs in the league. Shakir is a reliable weapon. Kincaid would be too if he could stay on the field. 

Is Joe Brady a problem? I suspect he wasn't ready to assume the role of coordinator for a team with super bowl aspirations.  Reading the tea leaves, I'd say Babich may be taking a Fraser-style much needed break after this season. 

Enough with the on-the-job training of these coordinators. Get experienced minds to run the offense and defense.

I don't think firing McDermott or Beane is the answer. It's a recipe for the revolving door of coaches that was such a joy during 'the drought'. 

Get healthy, get a stud WR somehow, and bring in experienced coordinators with winning track records.

[Mango]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I'm not sure it matters. This is where I am at this point 

 

 

 

If Terry Pegula cannot get the Bills over the hump this town is about to become super toxic for him. 

He cannot have two professional sports franchises who toe the line between comedy and despair.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

So, at 6-3 many of you are calling for a complete overhaul.  Do you think just maybe the rash of injuries leading to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string reserves taking the field on defense might have made the difference in at least 1 or 2 of the losses?  If the record was 7-2 would you still be calling for a regime change?

 

On offense, we're fortunate to have a good O-line and RB that stays healthy, but ironically, the passing game is now the offense's Achilles heal, even with an MVP QB.  

It's too late now, but in the offseason, the Bills need to do everything and anything to get Josh weapons that can be game-changers. Wideouts that can stretch the field and get separation. The 'everyone eats' nonsense is not the answer.  Josh has maybe the worst group of WRs in the league. Shakir is a reliable weapon. Kincaid would be too if he could stay on the field. 

Is Joe Brady a problem? I suspect he wasn't ready to assume the role of coordinator for a team with super bowl aspirations.  Reading the tea leaves, I'd say Babich may be taking a Fraser-style much needed break after this season. 

Enough with the on-the-job training of these coordinators. Get experienced minds to run the offense and defense.

I don't think firing McDermott or Beane is the answer. It's a recipe for the revolving door of coaches that was such a joy during 'the drought'. 

Get healthy, get a stud WR somehow, and bring in experienced coordinators with winning track records.

For me, it’s the fact that I think this regime has gotten stale. The Bills were better 4 years ago than they are today. I believe they need a new voice and a fresh outlook. These guys have fallen in love with the guys they chose. That’s why you’re quick to extend Bernard or to bring back guys like Spector and Dane. 
 

Personally, I also think that they are near their floor now. With this schedule, and a healthy Josh, 11-6 should be the worst they could be with any competent leadership. There’s no downside risk imo. I don’t think if you hire “insert GM & coach name here” the Bills all of a sudden become a 7 win team. That’s just not happening. These guys get a ton of credit for building to here but they get very little credit for their ability to take it beyond here. Teams on the verge have made changes before and won championships shortly after. 

Edited 42 minutes ago by Kirby Jackson

[T master]

I think they should keep Beane he knows how to maneuver in the draft but I think that if a different HC's input when it comes to what players to get might be the difference maker . 

 

Beane has hit on some really good players weather you or ay one else wants to admit it and has the balls to make some big decisions on certain players but I think McD may with his input might not be the voice needed in the room . 

 

I would like some change but like a lot of you I'm not sure if a total tear down is what is needed there are people in place that have taken this team from the bottom of the barrel and brought them to the point they are at which is not a bad thing .

 

I do feel they need another strength and conditioning staff for sure this injury thing has F'd up a lot of this season I know it's not a excuse I feel that if all the Bills players were healthy we'd see a much better product on the field !! 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But totally rebuilding on defense is one of the selling points on a change. Time to move away from the scheme and the type of players it demands. There will be enough that can stick around and transition to the new defense, but an overhaul is part of what I'm after.

I want that too, but that's where we are looking at more serious risk. For as bad as the defense is, if you try and put this roster in a signifgantly different scheme prior to reloading it it will be similar to what the Jets had this year on defense. If your pain tolerance is THAT high, then all good. It does eventually need to happen if McD goes. Just needs to be delicately with how many overfit pieces we have on defenses.