$55m to run 13

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

correct

 

been saying this since they promoted brady. you don't need a qb like allen for this system and his trade value would be enough to shore up the entirety of the roster 

I rather not trade him and get the defensive line right so there’s more assets in terms of draft capital and financial capital to dedicate to receiver. It’s harder to find Josh than it is to find the other things. And, if we’re successful in the Joe Brady system, then we probably end up paying someone like Brock Purdy $55 million anyways do the same nonsense that Josh is doing right now.
 

I’d rather play to Josh‘s strength. But we simply don’t have the personnel to do that right now. It’s a huge indictment of Beane.  Can’t find defensive lineman. Can’t find receivers. Can’t be here moving forward unless this gets fixed immediately.

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

can't forget Steichen, he's got some pedigree

💯 I’d trade out coaching staffs in a heartbeat.  Love Steichen and Lou on D

[jaybeezee]

23 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen and Brady’s game are entirely different. The latter is one of the most accurate and smartest pocket QBs of all time who was absolutely elite at pre snap reads and adjustments. He could make it work with low level guys as long as they had good hands and were in their designated spot. I love Josh, but he’s not as good enough as a pure passer to make up for poor WR talent. i mean this season proves it. 

People forget that Josh asked for  Brady! As much as I blame McD for alot of our problems, the one thing he want was an real oc search  but Josh wanted Brady and they gave him what he wanted, just like they did with Dorsey.

 

As soon as Brady came in, Diggs was out of the game plan. What this team is truly missing is Diggs. He opened up the offense for all of the other receivers. He may not be what he was, but look what he's doing for Maye. It reminds me so.muxh of what he did for Josh when we traded for him.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

People forget that Josh asked for  Brady! As much as I blame McD for alot of our problems, the one thing he want was an real oc search  but Josh wanted Brady and they gave him what he wanted, just like they did with Dorsey.

 

As soon as Brady came in, Diggs was out of the game plan. What this team is truly missing is Diggs. He opened up the offense for all of the other receivers. He may not be what he was, but look what he's doing for Maye. It reminds me so.muxh of what he did for Josh when we traded for him.

lol

 

the willingness of this fan base to lay blame w Allen for all this organization's woes is priceless

 

'allen chose coleman!'- no, that's beanes job. 'allen chose brady and dorsey!'- no, that's mcdermott's job. ffs people

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

💯 I’d trade out coaching staffs in a heartbeat.  Love Steichen and Lou on D

i would love, for once in his entire career, allen getting some legit offensive coaching around him

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

If this is the plan then we’re better off having traded Josh, signed Dan Jones, and used the picks plus the $40m savings to boost the rest of the roster.  And maybe designed the defense to be heavier.  The strategy is not terrible,  but it’s too inflexible, too overused, and doesn’t play to our strengths.  

It's what worked for Brady, Mahomes, Manning, and countless others.

If you want a high flying offense, enjoy the division championships and early playoff exits.

[SectionC3]

57 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's what worked for Brady, Mahomes, Manning, and countless others.

If you want a high flying offense, enjoy the division championships and early playoff exits.

Apparently the theory is that a clunky offense with a mediocre defense will yield a different result.  I suppose it will, because if this keeps up someone is getting fired. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's what worked for Brady, Mahomes, Manning, and countless others.

If you want a high flying offense, enjoy the division championships and early playoff exits.

2019 chiefs and 2020 Bucs had those kind of offenses 

[BullBuchanan]

42 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

2019 chiefs and 2020 Bucs had those kind of offenses 

Yup. The exception doesn't prove the rule.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Yup. The exception doesn't prove the rule.

I think I'm more in the camp that there are multiple paths to a championship

 

and I'm not saying the one we're on won't work even tho early returns are not promising. My contention has been- trying to small ball your way on offense to a Super Bowl means you have to be really buttoned up everywhere and very sound situationally...I can't say I'm confident that's ever really been our strong suit

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I think I'm more in the camp that there are multiple paths to a championship

 

and I'm not saying the one we're on won't work even tho early returns are not promising. My contention has been- trying to small ball your way on offense to a Super Bowl means you have to be really buttoned up everywhere and very sound situationally...I can't say I'm confident that's ever really been our strong suit

We tried the high flying approach for 7 years and never really got close. Some people choose to imagine scenarios where we would've won theSB one of those years had a, b, and c happened and x, y, z not happened, but I'm not one of them.

I think the difference between our drought era teams and where we are right now is a similar delta as the one between those AFCCG teams/13 seconds teams and a SB Championship. It's an entirely different tier of roster construction and situational execution that we've never seen in the history of the franchise. At times we've had one, but never both.

Edited 1 hour ago by BullBuchanan

[GoBills808]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

We tried the high flying approach for 7 years and never really got close. Some people choose to imagine scenarios where we would've won theSB one of those years had a, b, and c happened and x, y, z not happened, but I'm not one of them.

I think the difference between our drought era teams and where we are right now is a closer delta than the one between those AFCCG teams/13 seconds teams and a SB Championship. It's an entirely different tier of roster construction and situational execution that we've never seen in the history of the franchise. At times we've had one, but never both.

not close is true but i maintain we were closest in 2021

 

and im not going to kill them for trying something different, even if i think it's the wrong approach, but i think it's fair to say we've been losing ground ever since. or at least not really progressing

 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

not close is true but i maintain we were closest in 2021

 

and im not going to kill them for trying something different, even if i think it's the wrong approach, but i think it's fair to say we've been losing ground ever since. or at least not really progressing

 

 

The score of that playoff game doesn't show we were the closest 

 

In fact we've played the Chiefs down to a field goal multiple times since then.. we have been closer 

 

And been inching closer to the Chiefs yearly 

 

That team clearly was not ready in 2021 despite how great it was in the regular season.. it was not ready to win a big playoff game

 

We are way closer the last 2 years

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

not close is true but i maintain we were closest in 2021

 

and im not going to kill them for trying something different, even if i think it's the wrong approach, but i think it's fair to say we've been losing ground ever since. or at least not really progressing

 

 

I think 2023 was our best shot. We were one good throw away from winning that game and we had the horses to beat The Ravens and SF

Had we beaten KC last year, I think we would have been murdered by Philly.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I think 2023 was our best shot. We were one good throw away from winning that game and we had the horses to beat The Ravens and SF

Had we beaten KC last year, I think we would have been murdered by Philly.

fair

 

agree on philly

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The score of that playoff game doesn't show we were the closest 

 

In fact we've played the Chiefs down to a field goal multiple times since then.. we have been closer 

 

And been inching closer to the Chiefs yearly 

 

That team clearly was not ready in 2021 despite how great it was in the regular season.. it was not ready to win a big playoff game

 

We are way closer the last 2 years

i dont buy the 'ready to win' thing tbh

 

bengals went from 5yrs of missing the playoffs straight to the Super Bowl

 

we were coming off back to back playoff appearances and an AFCCG, we were plenty ready imo

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

fair

 

agree on philly

i dont buy the 'ready to win' thing tbh

 

bengals went from 5yrs of missing the playoffs straight to the Super Bowl

 

we were coming off back to back playoff appearances and an AFCCG, we were plenty ready imo

Considering you can't compare team x to y to z every single team is different 

 

That game shows the bills were not ready to play with the Chiefs in a big game.. since then we have lost by a field goal while being severely outmanned 

 

I would say those teams were much more ready 

 

 FYI I have been thinking about the 2020 AFC championship bills.. 2021 the overtime game in the division round.. definitely that team was close 

 

But we were also as close in 23-24 to beating Kansas City

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering you can't compare team x to y to z every single team is different 

 

That game shows the bills were not ready to play with the Chiefs in a big game.. since then we have lost by a field goal while being severely outmanned 

 

I would say those teams were much more ready 

 

 FYI I have been thinking about the 2020 AFC championship bills.. 2021 the overtime game in the division round.. definitely that team was close 

 

But we were also as close in 23-24 to beating Kansas City

i just remember coming off the afccg loss and thinking that 2021 was the typical trajectory of a team that's been knocking on the door. i put down a big SB future bills 2021 NFL champs lol

 

could just be a personal thing but i haven't felt that way since. 13seconds game was when i started having real doubts, i was all in on mcdermott and beane prior

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i just remember coming off the afccg loss and thinking that 2021 was the typical trajectory of a team that's been knocking on the door. i put down a big SB future bills 2021 NFL champs lol

 

could just be a personal thing but i haven't felt that way since. 13seconds game was when i started having real doubts, i was all in on mcdermott and beane prior

I mean that was a great team 

 

We've also been within a field goal twice.. while being down 3 4 defensive players.. and still lost by a field goal 

 

If we get the Chiefs without their starting safety starting linebacker and starting corner we're winning by more than three points fully believe that 

 

I BILLIEVE