Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[GoBills808]

25 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If you have an agenda against bad takes, your agenda should preclude your from making this post.

 

Keon simply isn't going horizontal here, you can see that as the play continues, and that's factual, not opinion. His left foot is as far downfield as his right foot in this freeze-frame. Which does not happen if he were going sideways, it only happens if he is pointed at an angle downfield.

 

If Josh gets him the ball at that moment, Coleman catches it and has one or two steps before being tackled and falling forward.

 

Yes, he'll be hit quickly. But it's probably a five yard gain.

 

Early in the season when the offense was humming, Josh was taking those short gains and extending drives. Not so much now. And while that's certainly not the whole reason for it, it's legitimately a part of it.

 

again, if you don't want to take my word for it...maybe look at when we threw the exact same pass to Shakir. same drag, same spot...we don't even have to guess at the result. here

 

 

guess where he ended up? this time w only two defenders instead of three? and shakir who's much better w the ball in his hands? probably at least a five yard gain you say😂😂

 

oh wait tackled for no gain 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

You guys can't be serious w these takes man😂😂 this is crazy

[Thurman#1]

36 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

again, if you don't want to take my word for it...maybe look at when we threw the exact same pass to Shakir. same drag, same spot...we don't even have to guess at the result. here

 

 

guess where he ended up? this time w only two defenders instead of three? and shakir who's much better w the ball in his hands? probably at least a five yard gain you say😂😂

 

oh wait tackled for no gain 

 

 

 

 

 

I see, so a different pass to a different guy on a different play says more about a play than just watching the actual play does?

 

Living in NeverNeverLand must be nice, dude.

 

You're right I don't have to take your word for it. I just look at the actual play. 

 

His feet, in your freeze-frame, are equally as far downfield. That does not happen when a guy is running sideways. When a guy is running sideways, if he's running left and his left foot lands on the 30, his right foot will land 8 - 12 inches downfield. If he's running directly cross the field the same thing will happen all the way across.

 

But that's not what's happening. He's running left and his left foot is just as far downfield as his right. That shows that he's running at an angle ... upfield.

 

Shakir's feet on the other hand are not both on the ground, but they indeed look as if when they both are, that bowlegged as he is he'll still have his right leg further downfield than his left.

 

Oh, and Shakir is being target a good eight yards further across the field. He is almost in front of the defender, who at that angle is a ton closer to Khalil than he is to Coleman on the other play. Khalil is on the left hash, with the defender around two yards left of the hash.

 

On Coleman's play, though, Keon is a good two yards outside of the right hash, while the defender is on the left hash. The hashes are 18 and a half feet apart, and the defender is also five yards downfield. Keon is going to have a lot more time than Shakir got.

 

More, Shakir has been forced to flatten his route, he's got a Bills crosser a yard or two downfield of him. Coleman ... um ... does not.

 

Sorry, your idea that these two plays are comparable in this way is just dumb. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thurman#1

[Buffalo716]

 

Remember we're supposed to be on the same team guys 

 

1 2 3 go bills

[Thurman#1]

25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You guys can't be serious w these takes man😂😂 this is crazy

 

 

Yes, yes you are.

 

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Remember we're supposed to be on the same team guys 

 

1 2 3 go bills

 

 

Heh heh. 😄 

 

I like the GIF.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thurman#1

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes, yes you are.

 

 

 

Heh heh. 😄 

 

I like the GIF.

 

 

I'm obviously a dawg

Edited 5 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Thurman#1]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm obviously a dawg

 

 

That's a beautiful dalmatian there. Dawg on, brother!!

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You guys can't be serious w these takes man😂😂 this is crazy

 

 

To repeat, since you already saw this before I edited it:

 

Oh, and Shakir is being target a good eight yards further across the field. He is almost in front of the defender, who at that angle is a ton closer to Khalil than he is to Coleman on the other play. Khalil is on the left hash, with the defender around two yards left of the hash.

 

On Coleman's play, though, Keon is a good two yards outside of the right hash, while the defender is on the left hash. The hashes are 18 and a half feet apart, and the defender is also five yards downfield. Keon is going to have a lot more time than Shakir got.

 

More, Shakir has been forced to flatten his route, he's got a Bills crosser a yard or two downfield of him. Coleman ... um ... does not.

 

Sorry, your idea that these two plays are comparable in this way is just ridiculous. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thurman#1

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, if "it all" you mean that McDermott says that every player out there has moments like that, and that that does include Coleman, then yeah, that does indeed say it all.

 

To repeat McDermott's exact words .... "There are times just like any player or any performer where it is exactly where it needs to be, and there are times where when it's not, and then we have to address it."

 

So yeah, he does have moments like that. Like every player. Perfection is unattainable. The question is whether Keon is doing this at a higher than normal, concerning percentage of the time. He certainly has, as his benchings attest. But McDermott doesn't address whether that is still a problem.

 

I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying we don't know, and certainly not from McDermott's words here.

 

 

Where does it say "every" in the quote you provided?  It doesn't.  It also doesn't say "no."  That's the point.  If it wasn't an issue, then the answer would have been "no."

[YoloinOhio]

The yellow parka is going to swim with the fishes ala elam’s notebook 

[SunDSolar]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You guys can't be serious w these takes man😂😂 this is crazy

 

Lol at comparing two plays that are no where near identical to prove a point

[finn]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The yellow parka is going to swim with the fishes ala elam’s notebook 

Maybe. But I have a long-shot hypothesis that leads to a sunny conclusion, which is that McDermott is mishandling Coleman. Coleman has shown promise--look at the Baltimore game, for instance, and a few of the early games last season. He may not be a bust from a physical standpoint, like Boogie Basham, and he might not be an Elam-like bust either, a guy with talent who just doesn't get it. Rather, he might be sulking and McDermott is inadvertently making it worse by shaming him in front of his teammates and the world. In other words, he might be extremely immature (aka stupid), thinking, "I'll show them, I won't make this catch. THEN we'll see who's sorry, heh!"

 

In his defense, public humiliation is pretty damaging and can backfire spectacularly. I speak as a parent and teacher here. It's possible that Coleman can still be everything the Bills hoped for, someone who devoted his summer to getting into great shape and was ready to shine this year, only to run into a rough patch on the field maybe, then being embarrassed. He withdraws into a pout, McDermott doubles down, so does he, and we have the current state of affairs. If this is the case, we haven't seen the best of Coleman yet. He might be a dawg if properly motivated.

 

The bad news is that I don't see this turning around. It takes a lot to realize, as someone in charge of discipline, that you're going about it the wrong way and to change course, especially in such a public forum (in front of the whole team, I mean). Does McDermott have the combination of insightfulness and courage it takes? I'm dubious. But it's possible. 

[Julio Hopkins]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Remember we're supposed to be on the same team guys 

 

1 2 3 go bills