Game week thread - Buccaneers at Bills

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

In the bottom left corner, it should read: "Start to BILLieve Again" just sayin I don't make the corny social media rules

 

 

You got that right. Something is obviously missing in the passing game. While film review pundits and all-22 screenshots suggest guys are often open (I wonder how proportionately true that is against Man coverages) and Josh just isn't hitting his underneath stuff in rhythm, there has to be factors (beyond Allen) contributing to this lack of synchronicity. Whether it's oppo scouting and what the coaches are expecting out of the defense each week, therefore resulting in Allen reading the wrong keys pre-snap and making the wrong adjustments, or the progressions post-snap are ordered/prioritized incorrectly in relation to what the defense is taking away, which causes Allen not to trust what he's seeing, or he's not prepared to read pressures accurately in conjunction with his OL and slide protections effectively, etc etc etc. I keep wondering if the offensive staff overall, minus Kromer, is better than their counterparts each week. 

 

Obviously, most of us understand the WR group is objectively bottom tier. That puts even greater pressure on everyone else to perform optimally. I don't think Brady and his battery of passing coaches are up to that challenge. Kromer and Boras seem like they've got the inline blocking schemes optimized more often than not. Even in spite of play-calling predictability and on-field/pre-snap tells.  

 

Alt 22 screenshots and film review pundits are not exactly the best way to try to figure out the problems with the passing attack this season.  And at the risk of being called an Allen apologist he is not the problem here either. In fact Allen is having a very good year statistically and projects out to having 4700 total yards, 42 TD's and only 13 TO's for this season. 

 

The issue is the herky jerky, uneven nature of the offense.  Like you say there is a lack of synchronicity.  if you're right the most likely culprit is the offensive design & play calling.  After all we saw the Bills try a play action pass on 4th & 1 only to have it spoiled by a Miami TO at the snap.  Clearly McDaniel saw something in the Bills personnel that tipped him off.  Yet on the very next play Brady again called for a pass.  Think about that and tell me it doesn't reveal some serious issues in the play calling tactics.

 

And you answer the question in your last paragraph.  With a bottom tier WR group there is no way you're going to have a great passing attack.  

 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or Brady is operating within the restrictions based on the personnel of the Buffalo Bills 

 

We tried being a heavy Air attack with Dorsey.. the offense was bogged down and diggs did not look the same as in the past 

 

So they structured everything around this run first offense... But in that transition they've lost a bunch of fluidity in the pass game 

 

It's a massive difference to structure the pass game  around a spread 3-4 wide receiver personnel..  and a two tight end system under center 

 

You have to make do with what you have on the season... Brady needs to watch film on how teams stretch the field on two three tight end personnel 

 

That would open up every part of our offense if he could get our tight ends running down the seams

 

We obviously don't have the spread personnel LSU had in Joe burrows Heisman season ... But he should be able to bring some of those concepts to the bills

 

 

I don't disagree but both things can be true.  We are seeing an offense that when it's firing on all cylinders is a defensive coaches wet dream.  McD's prints are all over the transition that started last season.  And there has been a deliberate decision to not add the personnel required to run a more fluid and potent passing game.   

 

It's possible that the kinks will get worked out over the next couple of games and the Bills will go on a run.  The potential of this offensive approach is apparent and it seems to be modeled after the Eagles.  The issue is that the Eagles have a defense that can win a 10 - 7 game on the road, Buffalo does not. And the Eagles have 2 very good WR's that can make a team pay a price for loading up the box.  Both Eagle WR's are significantly better then the best Bills WR.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I don't disagree but both things can be true.  We are seeing an offense that when it's firing on all cylinders is a defensive coaches wet dream.  McD's prints are all over the transition that started last season.  And there has been a deliberate decision to not add the personnel required to run a more fluid and potent passing game.   

 

It's possible that the kinks will get worked out over the next couple of games and the Bills will go on a run.  The potential of this offensive approach is apparent and it seems to be modeled after the Eagles.  The issue is that the Eagles have a defense that can win a 10 - 7 game on the road, Buffalo does not. And the Eagles have 2 very good WR's that can make a team pay a price for loading up the box.  Both Eagle WR's are significantly better then the best Bills WR.

 

 

 

 

That's true but Jalen hurts significantly struggles to throw the ball outside the numbers compared to Josh Allen so it's a give take 

 

I do believe if Sean McDermott was given better wide receivers he would be willing to throw the ball more just not been given that so he wants to keep his job and that's running one of the best running backs in the AFC... And then letting the most talented player in the NFL make some plays around that 

 

That's a pretty safe bet to get into the playoffs... Follow your best two players 

 

It has looked uneven, herky jerky, out of place.... But I've seen Tom Brady's offenses look this way after 6 or 7 weeks of the regular season and he got it on track 

 

Keyword he.. not his offensive coordinator... Not his quarterback coach.. Brady would take the bull by the horn 

 

There's pieces here where there is an offense that could be put in place that is tough to stop... Josh needs to finally please Lord he's my favorite player.. take the reigns... Command meeting rooms command film study command the game planning... Joe Brady's job depends on Josh so he should embrace what Josh says he needs in the coming weeks game plan wise 

 

Eagles are the team where Brown is not getting the ball and he's unhappy and he wants to leave because Hurts can't get him the ball on schedule consistently... Hurts has struggled at that since college 

 

Showing that even the Super bowl champions can have a wide receiver unhappy.. and a quarterback who is very scheme dependent 

 

Brady needs to be more Josh Allen friendly

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Anyone else checked out of this bills season? We are 2-3 in our last 5 games. 

im not checked out but let’s say im not intense like in years of the past. 
 

I feel like McD has coached the dawg out of this entire team. We used to get “playoff caliber” “championship caliber” or “Super Bowl caliber” and things like that. We used to get talk of champions from leaders on this team. One quote that I have heard 3 times from Allen this season that sums it up for me how the season is going was something like “ there are no expectations this year, it’s not Super Bowl or bust. We are just going to play football.”

 

that is loser talk. That is talk of people throwing in the towel. You can hear it in their words. You can see it in their unfired up mopey sideline posture. You can see it in their faces. Most importantly you can see it in their play. No dawg. No fight. 
 

I will say there was one drive from Allen against Miami where he was total dawg and gave it everything while the rest of his teammates were still just going through the motions. Unfortunately that ended in a turnover and the rest of the team kept playing like all they cared about was collecting a paycheck and going home. 
 

im not checked out but it sure feels like the team is. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Scott7975

[billsherd]

Bills need to start using Samuel and Moore more in the actual passing game and less Coleman.  

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Alt 22 screenshots and film review pundits are not exactly the best way to try to figure out the problems with the passing attack this season.  And at the risk of being called an Allen apologist he is not the problem here either. In fact Allen is having a very good year statistically and projects out to having 4700 total yards, 42 TD's and only 13 TO's for this season. 

 

The issue is the herky jerky, uneven nature of the offense.  Like you say there is a lack of synchronicity.  if you're right the most likely culprit is the offensive design & play calling.  After all we saw the Bills try a play action pass on 4th & 1 only to have it spoiled by a Miami TO at the snap.  Clearly McDaniel saw something in the Bills personnel that tipped him off.  Yet on the very next play Brady again called for a pass.  Think about that and tell me it doesn't reveal some serious issues in the play calling tactics.

 

And you answer the question in your last paragraph.  With a bottom tier WR group there is no way you're going to have a great passing attack.  

I've kept saying it's Bills OC Joe Brady and so many keep saying it's the lousy Buffalo receivers. A bit of both?

 

If Joe Brady can get his stuff together this could be a very potent offense, run game #1, QB #1 and it just needs some actual good pass game coaching. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Nihilarian

[Psautcsk]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

im not checked out but let’s say im not intense like in years of the past. 
 

I feel like McD has coached the dawg out of this entire team. We used to get “playoff caliber” “championship caliber” or “Super Bowl caliber” and things like that. We used to get talk of champions from leaders on this team. One quote that I have heard 3 times from Allen this season that sums it up for me how the season is going was something like “ there are no expectations this year, it’s not Super Bowl or bust. We are just going to play football.”

 

that is loser talk. That is talk of people throwing in the towel. You can hear it in their words. You can see it in their unfired up mopey sideline posture. You can see it in their faces. Most importantly you can see it in their play. No dawg. No fight. 
 

I will say there was one drive from Allen against Miami where he was total dawg and gave it everything while the rest of his teammates were still just going through the motions. Unfortunately that ended in a turnover and the rest of the team kept playing like all they cared about was collecting a paycheck and going home. 
 

im not checked out but it sure feels like the team is. 

Watch Mack Hollins on the Pats and tell me we should not have kept him? Everyone knows that what Diggs is bringing to the Pats is what is sorely missing here. 

[finn]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

No it's probably due to not enough time to actually physically tackle in practice 

 

They're in the NFL.. so people think that they should have that down to a science 

 

Not realizing that not consistently practicing tackling, make your tackling worse... These guys rarely tackle during practice week during the season

 

So their form and constant conditioning to Big impacts is down from what it was 20 years ago... Once the season starts they are rarely tackling in practice

Still, that doesn't explain why the Bills defensive personnel are particularly bad at it. It would be ironic if, with all the injuries, McDermott has been going easy in practice but players are getting injured anyway, meaning he has the worst of both worlds.

[zow2]

6 hours ago, billsherd said:

Bills need to start using Samuel and Moore more in the actual passing game and less Coleman.  

 

100% yes.  I would like to see Keon mostly off the field or inactive for this game.  I bet the passing game would perform better.

[BananaB]

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Alt 22 screenshots and film review pundits are not exactly the best way to try to figure out the problems with the passing attack this season.  And at the risk of being called an Allen apologist he is not the problem here either. In fact Allen is having a very good year statistically and projects out to having 4700 total yards, 42 TD's and only 13 TO's for this season. 

 

The issue is the herky jerky, uneven nature of the offense.  Like you say there is a lack of synchronicity.  if you're right the most likely culprit is the offensive design & play calling.  After all we saw the Bills try a play action pass on 4th & 1 only to have it spoiled by a Miami TO at the snap.  Clearly McDaniel saw something in the Bills personnel that tipped him off.  Yet on the very next play Brady again called for a pass.  Think about that and tell me it doesn't reveal some serious issues in the play calling tactics.

 

And you answer the question in your last paragraph.  With a bottom tier WR group there is no way you're going to have a great passing attack.  

 

 

 

The 4th and 1 was funny. Cook hasn’t been used on 3rd or 4th down all year until that one play against KC and they ran that roll out to him in the flat. So here they are on 4h and 1 against Miami with Cook in the game, Mia call timeout to get set and when the play is run the gobbled up Cook in the flat. So predictable 

Edited 9 hours ago by BananaB

[jcamm1966]

8 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

im not checked out but let’s say im not intense like in years of the past. 
 

I feel like McD has coached the dawg out of this entire team. We used to get “playoff caliber” “championship caliber” or “Super Bowl caliber” and things like that. We used to get talk of champions from leaders on this team. One quote that I have heard 3 times from Allen this season that sums it up for me how the season is going was something like “ there are no expectations this year, it’s not Super Bowl or bust. We are just going to play football.”

 

that is loser talk. That is talk of people throwing in the towel. You can hear it in their words. You can see it in their unfired up mopey sideline posture. You can see it in their faces. Most importantly you can see it in their play. No dawg. No fight. 
 

I will say there was one drive from Allen against Miami where he was total dawg and gave it everything while the rest of his teammates were still just going through the motions. Unfortunately that ended in a turnover and the rest of the team kept playing like all they cared about was collecting a paycheck and going home. 
 

im not checked out but it sure feels like the team is. 

I saw that and was like "WOW", plus the little pregame here we go have fun in the tunnel thing is not very motivating 

[jcamm1966]

I can almost see Josh pulling an Andrew Luck, where football is last on his passion list. He is married starting a family has money, taking a beating is getting old wants to protect his body ,would not shock me a bit.

[Negan]

6 minutes ago, jcamm1966 said:

I saw that and was like "WOW", plus the little pregame here we go have fun in the tunnel thing is not very motivating 

It's gotten quite stale.  I got a bad feeling about these next two games.

[SoonerBillsFan]

We lose this game, esp. if its "Miami ugly", do the wheels finally come off in the locker room?

1 hour ago, jcamm1966 said:

I can almost see Josh pulling an Andrew Luck, where football is last on his passion list. He is married starting a family has money, taking a beating is getting old wants to protect his body ,would not shock me a bit.

100%,  I get fans fantasize about Josh and his love for the game, love for Buffalo, but he is human and he had absolutely changed this offseason / year.

Edited 7 hours ago by SoonerBillsFan

[Big Turk]

Weather clearing up for Sunday it looks like at least in terms of rain...

 

45 and cloudy(no surprise for November, the month with 28% sunshine, lowest of any month in WNY), but winds 15-25 mph with higher gusts...

 

Could make the passing and kicking game interesting Sunday.

[Coffeesforclosers]

I'll be at the game with my crew, a pack of cigarettes, 90ish Labatts and a 48" Blackstone with all the meats.

 

The rest is up to the Bills.

[Negan]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Weather clearing up for Sunday it looks like at least in terms of rain...

 

45 and cloudy(no surprise for November, the month with 28% sunshine, lowest of any month in WNY), but winds 15-25 mph with higher gusts...

 

Could make the passing and kicking game interesting Sunday.

We don't have a passing game, so maybe that could be good.

[Negan]

If I'm the Bucs, I'm playing cover zero every play and playing right up on the WR's.  This is the Bills kryptonite.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I'm honestly shocked that these guys didn't miraculously heal and be fine for this game.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I'm honestly shocked that these guys didn't miraculously heal and be fine for this game.

Its not Sunday yet.