NFL Arbitrator finds Goodell encouraged collusion between teams to reduce Veteran Guarantees

[cba fan]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

And again, what is said in the witness statement and whether that word is used has no relevance as to if it is collusion. Collusion is based on an action, not a word being used or not being used by witnesses.

 

Oh, so you are claiming the owners went to the NFLPA and told them they were working together to ensure we are going to keep prices down?

 

Of course they didn't. So yeah, it was in secret between the parties involved.

 

And that perfectly fits the description of what collusion in.

 

hmmm. What is lost in all of this is why would owners care if large, guaranteed contracts are given out? They have a salary cap. If they fail like many do, it only hurts teams who signed them like the dumb Browns. Teams are free to do as they wish.

 

With salary cap. It is in non-winning teams best interest that winning teams sign the big ticket "make a difference" players to huge, guaranteed contracts so it hampers their ability to put together a better roster.(and actually if they sign a bad player to a big guaranteed deal that is even better lol) Thereby giving the lesser teams a better chance to compete to acquire good players. (as a Bills fan i was rooting for Chiefs, Fish, Ravens, etc etc, to all sign their QB's to ridiculous large deals lol)

 

I get in the short term when one of your players deserves the big raise big guaranteed deal, your team will now be in the same boat and have tough negotiations.  But that's life. Then the lesser teams get the good players and the window for teams to be super bowl contenders will be shifted to other teams until your turn comes around again. Really how this should work so the same teams don't always win.

 

edit: and i forgot that by giving out these huge, guaranteed deals it lowers the money available for veterans on that roster as the big, guaranteed contract takes up too much cap space. Teams then need to fill out roster with draftees, UDFA's, younger cheaper players thereby lowering veteran players income. NFL addressed this somewhat by exempting some of certain veterans' salaries against the cap.

Edited July 5 by cba fan

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

And again, what is said in the witness statement and whether that word is used has no relevance as to if it is collusion. Collusion is based on an action, not a word being used or not being used by witnesses.

 

Oh, so you are claiming the owners went to the NFLPA and told them they were working together to ensure we are going to keep prices down?

 

Of course they didn't. So yeah, it was in secret between the parties involved.

 

And that perfectly fits the description of what collusion in.

 

 

I see. So nobody's saying it's collusion except a reporter with no access whatsoever.

 

So, you figure that the fact that some guy with a column somewhere used the word, that it may well be collusion despite the fact that there is absolutely zero evidence, zero.

 

Again, your own definition specifically mentions "agreement." And not only is there no proof whatsoever of agreement, or cooperation or conspiracy. Nobody has even mentioned the possibility, except I guess you.

 

Having one guy tell a group of guys they should not overpay is not collusion. Nor is it even close. Sorry, man, you're a great poster, but this idea is just dumb. Saying it's collusion when nobody is even mentioning an agreement, on the basis of them listening to a lecture, just dumb.

 

 

 

Edited July 5 by Thurman#1

[Buffalo ill]

Quarterbacks have all the rules to protect them and get the largest contracts.  Everyone else is a second class citizen financially and in regards to player safety.

 

I'd like to see a max contract system put a governor on qb wages.  

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, cba fan said:

hmmm. What is lost in all of this is why would owners care if large, guaranteed contracts are given out? They have a salary cap. If they fail like many do, it only hurts teams who signed them like the dumb Browns. Teams are free to do as they wish.

 

With salary cap. It is in non-winning teams best interest that winning teams sign the big ticket "make a difference" players to huge, guaranteed contracts so it hampers their ability to put together a better roster.(and actually if they sign a bad player to a big guaranteed deal that is even better lol) Thereby giving the lesser teams a better chance to compete to acquire good players. (as a Bills fan i was rooting for Chiefs, Fish, Ravens, etc etc, to all sign their QB's to ridiculous large deals lol)

 

I get in the short term when one of your players deserves the big raise big guaranteed deal, your team will now be in the same boat and have tough negotiations.  But that's life. Then the lesser teams get the good players and the window for teams to be super bowl contenders will be shifted to other teams until your turn comes around again. Really how this should work so the same teams don't always win.

 

edit: and i forgot that by giving out these huge, guaranteed deals it lowers the money available for veterans on that roster as the big, guaranteed contract takes up too much cap space. Teams then need to fill out roster with draftees, UDFA's, younger cheaper players thereby lowering veteran players income. NFL addressed this somewhat by exempting some of certain veterans' salaries against the cap.

I’m guessing that the employer (owner) wants as much flexibility as possible when it comes to employee compensation. They probably don’t want guaranteed contracts becoming all the rage. Just my guess. 

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, cba fan said:

hmmm. What is lost in all of this is why would owners care if large, guaranteed contracts are given out? They have a salary cap. If they fail like many do, it only hurts teams who signed them like the dumb Browns. Teams are free to do as they wish.

 

With salary cap. It is in non-winning teams best interest that winning teams sign the big ticket "make a difference" players to huge, guaranteed contracts so it hampers their ability to put together a better roster.(and actually if they sign a bad player to a big guaranteed deal that is even better lol) Thereby giving the lesser teams a better chance to compete to acquire good players. (as a Bills fan i was rooting for Chiefs, Fish, Ravens, etc etc, to all sign their QB's to ridiculous large deals lol)

 

I get in the short term when one of your players deserves the big raise big guaranteed deal, your team will now be in the same boat and have tough negotiations.  But that's life. Then the lesser teams get the good players and the window for teams to be super bowl contenders will be shifted to other teams until your turn comes around again. Really how this should work so the same teams don't always win.

 

edit: and i forgot that by giving out these huge, guaranteed deals it lowers the money available for veterans on that roster as the big, guaranteed contract takes up too much cap space. Teams then need to fill out roster with draftees, UDFA's, younger cheaper players thereby lowering veteran players income. NFL addressed this somewhat by exempting some of certain veterans' salaries against the cap.

 

Because things like signing bonuses and other up front guaranteed money come directly from the owners pockets since they are paid up front and many of the owners either don't have that type of money to spend or don't want to spend it.

Edited July 5 by Big Turk

[Malazan]

"The NFL actually won the grievance."

[Mr. WEO]

They also concluded that Goodell coerced the owners into selling off games to streaming services, doubling the overseas games and demanding publicly funded stadiums.

 

My god—he’s Rasputin reborn!!

[MJS]

6 hours ago, Malazan said:

"The NFL actually won the grievance."

Which was always going to happen. It looked like a flimsy case from the start to me.

[tomur67]

In my opinion, Goodell's advice to avoid guaranteed money was motivated by the fact that teams can get burned by those types of contracts and as a result are not putting the best possible teams on the field.  And that is not good for the health of the NFL.  Of course, Cleveland is the worst example of this, but Buffalo and a lot if other teams have suffered the same way. As commissioner, Goodell and the NFL is healthy when every team is playing to its full potential without carrying deadweight on its roster.