Andy1 Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You're making up scenarios to fit your narrative. This outbreak would've happened regardless of what trump did with the CDC. Ate you capable of seeing the bigger picture or is everything viewed from the perspective of protecting Trump? Trumps actions did not affect this case. The point is, Americans are less safe without the CDC doing their work. This cruise ship is an example of what can happen. People are traveling everywhere. It doesn’t take much for some virus to travel from some remote jungle to one of our cities. Do we have to wait for the crisis to happen to determine a policy is wrong? 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted May 8 Author Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: Ate you capable of seeing the bigger picture or is everything viewed from the perspective of protecting Trump? Trumps actions did not affect this case. The point is, Americans are less safe without the CDC doing their work. This cruise ship is an example of what can happen. People are traveling everywhere. It doesn’t take much for some virus to travel from some remote jungle to one of our cities. Do we have to wait for the crisis to happen to determine a policy is wrong? yes. But it's worse than that. We have people with no medical training and little to no scientific knowledge making policy at the CDC. They've run all the talented, educated scientists off. Most are likely making more money in the private sector and will never return. 1
Roundybout Posted May 8 Posted May 8 On 5/6/2026 at 2:54 PM, Royale with Cheese said: How are you not keeping up with this conversation? I did not admit the solution to jail the homeless. Where the hell did that come from? We are talking about how bad the California homelessness has gotten in California to where a medieval disease has came back and you somehow are blaming Republican policies. WTF? California has $30 billion spend on homeless in 5 years and it's gotten worse and somehow you blame Republicans. Like WTF. Our two examples are California and Florida. Where is the homelessness the worst? Which one is a Red State and which one is a Blue State? If you're saying Republican policies are making it worse, then you must think that the homelessness issue is worse in Florida than California. What specific Republican policy is making homelessness worse? I've told you mine about the Democrat party. Lets hear your specific policy that's Republicans are making homelessness worse. How are we making it worse? Here’s a fine example: 1
Royale with Cheese Posted May 8 Posted May 8 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Here’s a fine example: Dude, WTF. We were talking about homelessness and now you're bringing up SNAP? First off, we had to cut it because it was getting blatantly abused. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=55416 "Under the Biden administration, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) participation remained high, averaging around 41.7 million monthly recipients in fiscal year 2024, or roughly 12.3% of U.S. residents. The administration expanded the program, causing benefits to rise 54% in two years and enacting the largest, permanent benefit increase in the program’s history in 2021" Is JD Vance wrong? If you can afford a Lambo, should you receive SNAP Benefits? Go to the Somali part of Minnesota. Luxury cars in section 8 housing everywhere. The USDA estimates 1.5 million illegals are receiving SNAP. There are millions like her that just bleed the system and you're criticizing Trump for cracking down on it? $3,000 for SNAP. Just because she's a *****, American tax payers have to pay for groceries? Most working Americans have a hard time paying for their own groceries and this person gets a free $3,000 a month. 1
Roundybout Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dude, WTF. We were talking about homelessness and now you're bringing up SNAP? First off, we had to cut it because it was getting blatantly abused. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=55416 "Under the Biden administration, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) participation remained high, averaging around 41.7 million monthly recipients in fiscal year 2024, or roughly 12.3% of U.S. residents. The administration expanded the program, causing benefits to rise 54% in two years and enacting the largest, permanent benefit increase in the program’s history in 2021" Is JD Vance wrong? If you can afford a Lambo, should you receive SNAP Benefits? Go to the Somali part of Minnesota. Luxury cars in section 8 housing everywhere. The USDA estimates 1.5 million illegals are receiving SNAP. There are millions like her that just bleed the system and you're criticizing Trump for cracking down on it? $3,000 for SNAP. Just because she's a *****, American tax payers have to pay for groceries? Most working Americans have a hard time paying for their own groceries and this person gets a free $3,000 a month. Ever hear the phrase “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water?” Republicans are determined to kill off the social safety net. This will increase homelessness. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted May 8 Posted May 8 32 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Ever hear the phrase “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water?” Republicans are determined to kill off the social safety net. This will increase homelessness. The Democratic cities are the highest taxed cities LMFAO. NYC lost 125 Fortune 500 Companies recently due to Democratic policies. 5,000 in total business left or closed down. And Republican policies are causing the homelessness LFMAO. California has the worst homelessness in the nation and it's Democratically controlled and you're blaming Republicans. Do you not understand how absurd that is? They kill off the social safety net by not allowing fraud and abuse of benefits? You really are for the criminal and those who don't want to be held accountable. You probably thinking it's just fine that a woman with 7 kids with 7 baby daddies deserves $3,000 a month for groceries. You probably think that illegal who is stealing from our tax money deserves to be driving a Lambo and never work.
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 8 Posted May 8 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Democratic cities are the highest taxed cities LMFAO. NYC lost 125 Fortune 500 Companies recently due to Democratic policies. 5,000 in total business left or closed down. And Republican policies are causing the homelessness LFMAO. California has the worst homelessness in the nation and it's Democratically controlled and you're blaming Republicans. Do you not understand how absurd that is? They kill off the social safety net by not allowing fraud and abuse of benefits? You really are for the criminal and those who don't want to be held accountable. You probably thinking it's just fine that a woman with 7 kids with 7 baby daddies deserves $3,000 a month for groceries. You probably think that illegal who is stealing from our tax money deserves to be driving a Lambo and never work. FACT CHECK: AI Overview Based on reports as of early 2026, it is incorrect to say New York State recently lost 125 Fortune 500 companies in a single, recent wave. However, the statistic refers to a long-term, multi-decade decline in the city's corporate footprint, often cited to warn about current business departures. [1] Here is the breakdown of the situation based on 2026 reports: The Context of "125": JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon noted that in the 1970s, nearly half of the 125 Fortune 500 companies based in New York City left.
Royale with Cheese Posted May 9 Posted May 9 3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: FACT CHECK: AI Overview Based on reports as of early 2026, it is incorrect to say New York State recently lost 125 Fortune 500 companies in a single, recent wave. However, the statistic refers to a long-term, multi-decade decline in the city's corporate footprint, often cited to warn about current business departures. [1] Here is the breakdown of the situation based on 2026 reports: The Context of "125": JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon noted that in the 1970s, nearly half of the 125 Fortune 500 companies based in New York City left. Yes I see that. There was 125 Fortune 500 companies 20 years ago and its down to 50. But still - 5,000 businesses in one quarter is insane. Not to mention, they are probably losing that billionaire that Mamdani called out in that ad.
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 9 Posted May 9 16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes I see that. There was 125 Fortune 500 companies 20 years ago and its down to 50. But still - 5,000 businesses in one quarter is insane. Not to mention, they are probably losing that billionaire that Mamdani called out in that ad. Actually the 70's not 20 years ago 1
Royale with Cheese Posted May 9 Posted May 9 27 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Actually the 70's not 20 years ago I didn’t say that. As of 2005, there was 125 Fortune 500 companies in NYC. Its now down to 43.
pennstate10 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 On 5/6/2026 at 12:39 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'll take a stab at it--trust was lost. I believe you indicated you were a medical professional somewhere along the line. In spite of political differences, you strike me as an intelligent, reasoned human being and were we having a face to face conversation, I'd likely consider what you have to offer and push on. If important enough to me, I'd research what you said, consider what I found and if all made sense, proceed with your recommendation (by the way, if I have it wrong and you're an exotic dancer, none of this applies). Another poster who no longer frequents PPP is a medical professional, seemed reasonable on certain issues until COVID, where he flipped his lid. Started talking about sequestering the non-vaxxers to an island, really out there sort of stuff. Prior to that episode, I thought he was pretty reasonable guy. Thereafter, I knew I couldn't trust him. On a leadership level, the entire approach to COVID vaccines seemed a lot more like it was being lead by the second guy to me. Factor in disinformation, the government choosing winners and losers, and 'stay six feet apart and not more than one person from three different households' while tens of thousands were mixing together in the streets...you have to wonder. By the way--did the US goverment (through one agency or another) partner with the Chinese at Wuhan? Do you know the answer to that question? No sarcasm, not a loaded question, just wondering what you think. You've raised a number of issues here. I'll answer them in order. 1) My dancing, to be kind, is horrendous. 2) I'm not sure who the "second guy" was. CDC/NIH/Fauci made a number of mistakes during the covid pandemic. To my mind, most of these were understandable and forgivable, as they were dealing with a new virus, and had to extrapolate from similar viruses as best they could. The really unforced error was saying masks werent helpful at the beginning, in order to save supplies for health care professionals. That messaging was dishonest. Full stop. 3) The funding issue is complex, and has been misunderstood by politicians, journalists, and podcasters. Here are the facts as I understand them. a. Around 2010, after emergence of SARS and MERS, both coronaviruses, NIAID researchers and administrators realized that the next pandemic may very well come from a coronavirus. So they funded coronavirus research. Given that bats harbor a huge reservoir of coronavirus, NIAID (through a subcontract from EcoHealth Alliance) funded the Wuhan virology institute. This made sense, as they were the worlds experts on coronaviruses, not a surprise given that the largest reservoir of coronaviruses is in SE Asia. b. The decision to fund them was based on peer review by academic researchers known as a study section. Fauci may have signed off on the grant, since he was the director, but I think it is unlikely that he read it in detail. I dont know exactly how much the subcontract award to Wuhan virology was, but I'm confident it was <$10 million, or <0.2% of the NIAID budget. So it wasnt a huge focus of NIAID at the time it was funded. c. The issue of "gain of function" research is also complex. The GOF definition can be stretched to any research involving Darwinian evolution. For instance, if I treat bacteria with ampicillin to select a resistant bacteria, that is technically gain of function research. When Fauci said NIAID didnt fund GAF research, he was using a very formal definition of GOF research, which applies to a strictly defined subset of experiments. That definition was created in the 2010s in response to influenza research, and the formal definition was agreed upon by a panel of US and international infectious disease experts. Also, I'm pretty sure that there was a proposal from the Wuhan institute to do more risky GOF research that was NOT funded by NIAID, but has been widely circulated by journalists and podcasters. Simple answer to your last question, yes US funded Wuhan Virology institute, through the EcoHealth Alliance. Thats a matter of public record. 4) Bonus answer. My opinion is that Covid originated in two distinct spillover events at the Wuhan animal market (~80% likely). It is also possible that Covid escaped from the Wuhan virology lab; it is well documented that the Wuhan lab collected viruses from caves and bat droppings throughout SE Asia, and brought them back to Wuhan for study. So I'd give about 15% likelihood to that. Least likely (<5%) would be that the virus was engineered in the Wuhan lab and escaped. Genetic engineering often leaves tell tale marks in the DNA, which were not present.
B-Man Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago Just now, JDHillFan said: What a disaster. What about Necrophilia ?
JDHillFan Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, B-Man said: What about Necrophilia ? I’m sorry. I barely have the bandwidth to focus on the World Cup, Pride, and EPSTEIN. 1
Wacka Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago On 5/9/2026 at 2:31 PM, pennstate10 said: 4) Bonus answer. My opinion is that Covid originated in two distinct spillover events at the Wuhan animal market (~80% likely). It is also possible that Covid escaped from the Wuhan virology lab; it is well documented that the Wuhan lab collected viruses from caves and bat droppings throughout SE Asia, and brought them back to Wuhan for study. So I'd give about 15% likelihood to that. Least likely (<5%) would be that the virus was engineered in the Wuhan lab and escaped. Genetic engineering often leaves tell tale marks in the DNA, which were not present. What about the Furin cleavage site? 1
BillsFanNC Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 29 minutes ago, Wacka said: What about the Furin cleavage site? I'm sure by "tell tale marks" he doesn't mean a human CGG arginine doublet codon found in the RBD of the spike protein. Edited 19 hours ago by BillsFanNC
teef Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: I’m sorry. I barely have the bandwidth to focus on the World Cup, Pride, and EPSTEIN. crashout!
boyst Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Yet screw worm is far far more dangerous and has been let in via unsecured border... Here we are. We are effed.
pennstate10 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: I'm sure by "tell tale marks" he doesn't mean a human CGG arginine doublet codon found in the RBD of the spike protein. Yinz gotta learn how to read and comprehend. "we cannot exclude" means just that. It is a possibility. Just like I cannot exclude the possibility that BillsFanNC is really a Russian bot.
BillsFanNC Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago ⬆️ 😂 There are several curious features about this insert but the oddest is that of the two side-by-side CGG codons. Only 5% of SARS2’s arginine codons are CGG, and the double codon CGG-CGG has not been found in any other beta-coronavirus. So how did SARS2 acquire a pair of arginine codons that are favored by human cells but not by coronaviruses? Proponents of natural emergence have an up-hill task to explain all the features of SARS2’s furin cleavage site. They have to postulate a recombination event at a site on the virus’s genome where recombinations are rare, and the insertion of a 12-nucleotide sequence with a double arginine codon unknown in the beta-coronavirus repertoire, at the only site in the genome that would significantly expand the virus’s infectivity.
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