George Pickens

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think it is that interesting.

 

If you have a guy who is in the top 10 conversation year after year, you pay him. You don’t dump them shooting for a perennial top 3 guy. Those guys are usually Hall of Famers.

 

How many HoF or HoF trajectory QBs have been drafted since Aaron Rodgers in 2005? Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Lamar  is the entirety of the list. Maybe one more that we don’t know yet, but Wilson wasn’t more than a top 10 guy for a lot of his career. 
 

So hoping you can find 1 of 4 give or take QBs over 20 years is not a good strategy. 

Stafford probably 

Matt Ryan potentially 

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

That would be all of us.

 

We also saw what a high-maintenance pain in the ass he was going to be.

 

He's playing for a big contract and he still can't hide his crappy attitude and narcissism.

 

Buyer beware.

 

😂😂nah very few liked Pickens 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Dak is underrated. He is a top 10 guy.

 

Who has benefitted greatly from th addition of George Pickens, Javonte Williams, and Brian Schottenheimer.

 

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Stafford probably 

Matt Ryan potentially 

😂😂nah very few liked Pickens 

 

Most people liked Pickens' talent. It was obvious to see.

 

The problem is that there are strings attached to that talent.

 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am sorry I don't buy that. He needs a good team around him to do it, sure. But Dak in the right circumstances could win a Superbowl. Joe Flacco did. I don't think the gap between Hurts and Stafford and Dak is big. 

 

the Flacco example of course being the pretty good qb that had not gotten the second contract yet. 
 

honestly I think that Stafford is a comfortable step above dak. 
 

hurts is basically the exception to my rule of thumb but somehow the eagles manage to spend like they have an extra 50M in cap space still

[Shortchaz]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Dak is underrated. He is a top 10 guy.

Maybe in payroll, or career earnings. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Shortchaz

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

 

He is not the right type of nut job.

Correct - hes actually the opposite of the nutjob you want.

 

Jalen Carter is a true nutjob. Highlyyyyy competitive, loud, plays through whistle and sometimes after a little bit (which i don't hate at all, situationally).

 

Sometimes that nutjob will catch you a dumb flag, might even get you thrown out for spitting lol thats a small part of nutjob package you sign up for.

 

Pickens is the opposite. Hes supremely talented with elite pedigree. You'll never see any of that from above though^^

 

He likes doing what he likes doing, like getting the ball (usually lol). Anything thats not that? Its a no thanks. Then you'll occasionally get head scratchers... you had a close games. An important game. Favorable matchup against a bad defense. Lamb went down, should've meant extra targets and maximum engagement from him..... he had no interest lol

 

Was like my always food driven dog and I throw him lettuce lol

 

I also am a lot more lenient than most. If a dude is locked in on the field, and its not specifically the r-word act with women, or abuse of kids, I'm in favor of drafting a borderline criminal/off field problems, in favor of supreme talent.

 

My point here? ^^Even these types i referebce above are more desirable than Pickens. On top of that hes a d bag in locker room. 

 

He made it 11 games in the single most positive conditions, with his biggest payday ever on the line, and the wheels are falling off lol

 

Now imagine him here, in a run first offense, where even if we get a different coordinator, he will not see the ball anywhere near as much as he does now. Then giving him $50-$60m guaranteed? Lol absolutely not. Thankfully the one time here, our conservative FO, would never ever on earth entertain this lol

 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, NoSaint said:

the Flacco example of course being the pretty good qb that had not gotten the second contract yet. 
 

honestly I think that Stafford is a comfortable step above dak. 
 

hurts is basically the exception to my rule of thumb but somehow the eagles manage to spend like they have an extra 50M in cap space still

 

The problem isn't your rule of thumb. It is that you underrate Dak.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The problem isn't your rule of thumb. It is that you underrate Dak.

 

Dak's valuation is debated and he's improved but again, the player and coaching talent around him has arguably improved.

 

I do respect Mike Sando's QB Rankings. Sando polls around 50 anonymous NFL coaches and executives to gather their opinions on the league's starting quarterbacks.

 

He's always had Dak as a Tier 2 QB: 

A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently as a Tier 1 QB. They can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possess other dimensions (like rushing ability) that are special enough to elevate them above Tier 3. They typically have one or two clear areas for improvement.

 

This is how he's ranked Dak in each preseason:

 

2020 12th

2021   9th

2022  11th

2023. 12th

2024  9th

2025  12th

 

Clearly his 2025 ranking is too low and I think the additions of Brian Schottenheimer, George Pickens, and Javonte Williams have allowed him to really bloom.

 

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

He’s a very good QB. But he’s never going to get them a Super Bowl win. And I think this matters the most. 

 

Not as long as Jerry Jones runs the show in Dallas, he won't, but if Dak were on the Vikings since 2022 (Cousins, Darnold, McCarthy), my guess is that we would have a very different view of how good he is.

[FireChans]

13 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

He’s a very good QB. But he’s never going to get them a Super Bowl win. And I think this matters the most. 

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Josh is also probably not ever gonna get us a Super Bowl win and he’s worth every penny.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Dak's valuation is debated and he's improved but again, the player and coaching talent around him has arguably improved.

 

I do respect Mike Sando's QB Rankings. Sando polls around 50 anonymous NFL coaches and executives to gather their opinions on the league's starting quarterbacks.

 

He's always had Dak as a Tier 2 QB: 

A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently as a Tier 1 QB. They can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possess other dimensions (like rushing ability) that are special enough to elevate them above Tier 3. They typically have one or two clear areas for improvement.

 

This is how he's ranked Dak in each preseason:

 

2020 12th

2021   9th

2022  11th

2023. 12th

2024  9th

2025  12th

 

Clearly his 2025 ranking is too low and I think the additions of Brian Schottenheimer, George Pickens, and Javonte Williams have allowed him to really bloom.

 

 

I think he has been top 10 consistently through that period. And mostly top 8.