Ben Johnson?? Ben Johnson?? LOL

[NoSaint]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, I’ve seen people right here suggesting/proposing him, which strengthens my point that there is a lot of nonsense here.  There are no slam dunks as options, just some more attractive than others. 

 

I’m not here to defend McD and Beane. I’m as frustrated as the next guy. I just see people wanting to change for the sake of change, and that sounds emotional and immature to me. Even the “good options” are not sure things, but people here like to think the grass is always greener. I’m not tied to any one person or thing on the Bills, so if and when change happens I’ll see how I feel at that time.  

 

I’m not sure what they should do, and I freely admit that. I do know that a lot will depend on how the rest of the season goes, so I’ll just wait and see before forming an opinion. We have rallied from 6-6 in the past, so at least we know it could get exciting. 

 

And that is your prerogative. I fully grant you that. I’m going to live my life my way, and I don’t want to feel dirty over a football team. That’s just not worth it to me personally. 

yea but in the thousands of posters you can’t latch onto the Mario for Skelton as serious

 

of the top handful of candidates… I don’t think we collapse with Ben Johnson, Mike vrabel, Kellen Moore or Liam coen off last years list

 

mike Macdonald or Jim harbaugh the year prior? I’d venture even a guy like Dave canales is at worst .500 with us this year

 

sean payton or Shane Steichen? Kevin oconnel? Mike McDaniel? 
 

excluding Nate Hackett, who I’d argue was a terribly unreasonable hire, almost any offensive head coach the last 4 seasons is probably in the ballpark of where we finished as long as Josh is healthy 

 

I don’t love coen but coen plus the rams brainchild is at least interesting even if potentially a bit volatile 

 

I think my overall point is that when you really attack names to it, and not just the great unknown - it really gets a lot less worrisome of what could happen 

Edited Tuesday at 08:52 PM by NoSaint

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

getting easier to separate the McDermott fans from the Bills fans

 

I’m a Bills fan and have been since the Rockpile, and I’m becoming less of an NFL fan by the year. But you feel free to keep assuming you know more than you do. That was, after all, kind of my point. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, I’ve seen people right here suggesting/proposing him, which strengthens my point that there is a lot of nonsense here.  There are no slam dunks as options, just some more attractive than others. 

 

I’m not here to defend McD and Beane. I’m as frustrated as the next guy. I just see people wanting to change for the sake of change, and that sounds emotional and immature to me. Even the “good options” are not sure things, but people here like to think the grass is always greener. I’m not tied to any one person or thing on the Bills, so if and when change happens I’ll see how I feel at that time.  

 

I’m not sure what they should do, and I freely admit that. I do know that a lot will depend on how the rest of the season goes, so I’ll just wait and see before forming an opinion. We have rallied from 6-6 in the past, so at least we know it could get exciting. 

 

And that is your prerogative. I fully grant you that. I’m going to live my life my way, and I don’t want to feel dirty over a football team. That’s just not worth it to me personally. 

Understand and I respect your opinion. 

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

yea but in the thousands of posters you can’t latch onto the Mario for Skelton as serious

 

of the top handful of candidates… I don’t think we collapse with Ben Johnson, Mike vrabel or Liam coen off last years list

 

mike Macdonald or Jim harbaugh the year prior? I’d venture even a guy like Dave canales is at worst .500 with us this year

 

sean payton or Shane Steichen? Kevin oconnel? Mike McDaniel? 
 

excluding Nate Hackett, who I’d argue was a terribly unreasonable hire, almost any offensive head coach the last 4 seasons is probably in the ballpark of where we finished as long as Josh is healthy 

 

I don’t love coen but coen plus the rams brainchild is at least interesting even if potentially a bit volatile 

 

I think my overall point is that when you really attack names to it, and not just the great unknown - it really gets a lot less worrisome of what could happen 

 

I really don’t study this stuff the way some do, but I’d prefer an offensive HC so we don’t have to keep changing coordinators (like we do now) because if they suck they have to go, and if they are good they get poached. For that reason Vrabel, while I like and respect him as a coach, would not be ideal for me. Johnson had never been a HC before, and that gave me some concern. Harbaugh just annoys the &^%* out of me and seems to wear his welcome out quickly, so that wouldn’t be ideal for me. And so on….a lot of decent options but none that I personally just have to have. But what do I know? 

 

I don’t know who it will be or when, but something will happen at some point and I’ll probably go along with it. Some HC prospects  (and I won’t argue specific names here as I’m tired of this already 😊) could push me over the edge. Not in a desperate way, but in an “I just don’t care any more” way. I don’t miss the NBA, and I have yet to watch my college hoops team play a game this season. I seem to be getting more balance in my life about this stuff, so it’s easier to take it or leave it. 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I really don’t study this stuff the way some do, but I’d prefer an offensive HC so we don’t have to keep changing coordinators (like we do now) because if they suck they have to go, and if they are good they get poached. For that reason Vrabel, while I like and respect him as a coach, would not be ideal for me. Johnson had never been a HC before, and that gave me some concern. Harbaugh just annoys the &^%* out of me and seems to wear his welcome out quickly, so that wouldn’t be ideal for me. And so on….a lot of decent options but none that I personally just have to have. But what do I know? 

 

I don’t know who it will be or when, but something will happen at some point and I’ll probably go along with it. Some HC prospects  (and I won’t argue specific names here as I’m tired of this already 😊) could push me over the edge. Not in a desperate way, but in an “I just don’t care any more” way. I don’t miss the NBA, and I have yet to watch my college hoops team play a game this season. I seem to be getting more balance in my life about this stuff, so it’s easier to take it or leave it. 

fair enough! 
 

I’ll say that I’ve been downshifting a bit myself with it too. 
 

I will leave it with a comment that rarely do you get to hire with the benefit of hindsight, and almost always have to plunge with a candidate doing it the first time or with question marks from a past run… odds are we don’t get to hire Andy Reid coming directly off a Super Bowl, right? They are available for a reason. Even if McDermott was fired from a rival, we would have questions about hiring him here for 2026.
 

but I think in doing the exercise of “how bad would it really have been” with real names drastically changed my tune in the risk management of a possible move. 
 

cheers to a happy thanksgiving, Aug!

[Big Blitz]

Chicago’s most impressive wins - the 1 point win at Washington and the Bengals game.  
 

Caleb’s numbers are similar to last year - his completion percentage is down.  
 

They improved the O line significantly in the off season and the run game has improved.  They already had very good skill guys.    
 

 

They have also lost to JJ McCarthy and Tyler Huntley.  Their wins are against very bad teams - Giants, Vikings, Raiders, Saints, Lamb-less Dallas.  
 

I don’t know what to make of them honestly.  
 

They could lose 5 of their last 6 games easily.  
 

Packers 2x

at SF

vs Detroit 

vs Cleveland 

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I feel like the Bears are last years Commanders. Will not be able to repeat what happened this year as they had a lot of luck go their way.

 

They remind me of the Dick Juaron Bears that over achieved and got DJ a COY award.  They may be currently atop their division, but I still think they are the 3rd best team in their own division.  

[leonbus23]

Ben Johnson seems to be for real. 9-3 now and beat a good team, too. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Remember that "damning" article exposing Williams?

[GoBills808]

On 11/25/2025 at 10:29 AM, Jay_Fixit said:

I'm jealous of other coaches.

 

Also, just popping my head in to see if GoBills808 can still read Augie's mind.

easier than it looks

[Sierra Foothills]

On 11/25/2025 at 6:35 AM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

To further expand let's remember how impressed everyone was with Dan Quinn in Washington last season too (they weren't looking good even before jayden daniels got hurt) 

 

There were TONS of people here singing the praises of Bobby Slowik in Houston too.  He went from star to fired in less than 2 years.

 

The Bills were never going to replace McDermott when he's averaging 12 wins per season over the last 6 years. However sitting at 7-4, for the first time since he was hired there is a possibility (I would say slim) that he could be fired. As such Pegula should be thinking about Head Coaching candidates.

 

If Pegula were to fire McDermott, I suppose he could hire a first timer because McDermott was one but I don't think you want to hire a first time Head Coach when Josh Allen is your quarterback... it seems a too risky. Most first time Head Coaches fail. I would want us to hire a more known quantity.

 

I think the ideal candidate is a former Head Coach who's a respected offensive mind who maybe got a raw deal elsewhere and deserves another chance. Also as others have been saying, the ideal candidate should be an offensive guru a la Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Paul Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Bruce Arians, etc so that you don't have to worry if you lose your OC.

 

So if guys like Kevin Stefanski, Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur, etc were fired after this season, they would be at the top of my list.

 

[QCity]

Pretty impressive win today going into Philly and kicking their asses. Imagine taking Williams out of that offense and plugging in Allen?

 

His players would run through a wall for him

 

 

 

[BillsPride12]

Now that's a team on the come-up

 

Brings back some amazing memories from our 2019-2020 years

[Chicken Boo]

I believe the Bears are the youngest team in the league. 

[machine gun kelly]

I’m happy for Chicagoans as they’ve been in the desert probably longer than we were for our 17 years.  It was not good timing for us on Ben Johnson.  McD can’t win that much for half a decade and fire him.  It would be disastrous for Pegula if it backfired.  He already blew Wrex and the Sabres perpetually for 15 years. I see his reticence to make drastic hangers to a division winner for 5 years, and if we make it 8 out of 9 years.