JFKjr Posted Friday at 04:45 PM Posted Friday at 04:45 PM AI is really going to gut the workforce. Are you pro- or anti-AI?
yall Posted Friday at 04:56 PM Posted Friday at 04:56 PM 8 minutes ago, JFKjr said: AI is really going to gut the workforce. Are you pro- or anti-AI? Hard to say. Not being hyperbolic when I say we're on the precipice of the next societal revolution, probably one that makes the industrial revolution look like a minor blip on the radar. What comes of this, I can't even begin to predict. But as it relates to jobs I think we'll start to see universal income as a necessity.
All_Pro_Bills Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 11/7/2025 at 11:56 AM, yall said: Hard to say. Not being hyperbolic when I say we're on the precipice of the next societal revolution, probably one that makes the industrial revolution look like a minor blip on the radar. What comes of this, I can't even begin to predict. But as it relates to jobs I think we'll start to see universal income as a necessity. It is revolutionary in the sense that previous technology enabled enhancements to productivity resulting in workers being able to produce greater output then before. AI results in enhanced productivity while eliminating workers. The primary issue is all of the benefits of AI go to the owners of capital and all the costs and consequence go to labor. Millions will lose their jobs. The standard response from proponents of AI is the unemployed will work in "new" industries and jobs created as a result of AI without being able to articulate or speculate on what those new industries and jobs will be. Meanwhile, vast quantities of finite resources, water, natural gas, electricity, other materials are being allocated to this sector which will result in even greater costs to be borne by the have-nots. So far the focus has been to develop and deploy the technology as fast as possible and ignore any consequences to workers or society and civilization. The end goal being to produce an army of robot "slaves" to do the bidding of capitalists. Creating a class of 21st century slave owning plantations. A pretty dark vision for the future. I think it goes far beyond universal income. I'll speculate the party that seizes the high ground on the view that AI benefits and costs need to be managed and controlled and distributed equally for the good of all of society, not just wealthy tech moguls and their companies at the expense of everyone else will gain the upper hand winning a majority. Maybe as soon as 2026. My guess is the Democrats will embrace the issue as the Republicans are bit slow to catch on to the pulse of change going on here and generally this administration is adverse to taking on business interests. Edited 5 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It is revolutionary in the sense that previous technology enabled enhancements to productivity resulting in workers being able to produce greater output then before. AI results in enhanced productivity while eliminating workers. The primary issue is all of the benefits of AI go to the owners of capital and all the costs and consequence go to labor. Millions will lose their jobs. The standard response from proponents of AI is the unemployed will work in "new" industries and jobs created as a result of AI without being able to articulate or speculate on what those new industries and jobs will be. Meanwhile, vast quantities of finite resources, water, natural gas, electricity, other materials are being allocated to this sector which will result in even greater costs to be borne by the have-nots. So far the focus has been to develop and deploy the technology as fast as possible and ignore any consequences to workers or society and civilization. The end goal being to produce an army of robot "slaves" to do the bidding of capitalists. Creating a class of 21st century slave owning plantations. A pretty dark vision for the future. I think it goes far beyond universal income. I'll speculate the party that seizes the high ground on the view that AI benefits and costs need to be managed and controlled and distributed equally for the good of all of society, not just wealthy tech moguls and their companies at the expense of everyone else will gain the upper hand winning a majority. Maybe as soon as 2026. My guess is the Democrats will embrace the issue as the Republicans are bit slow to catch on to the pulse of change going on here and generally this administration is adverse to taking on business interests. yet trump says there aren't enough skilled, highly educated Americans to fill the jobs unthreatened by Ai. I actually agree with him on this. https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/what-the-fck-is-this-trump-supporters-rip-president-for-saying-there-arent-enough-talented-people-in-america/
All_Pro_Bills Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yet trump says there aren't enough skilled, highly educated Americans to fill the jobs unthreatened by Ai. I actually agree with him on this. https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/what-the-fck-is-this-trump-supporters-rip-president-for-saying-there-arent-enough-talented-people-in-america/ I disagree. I've worked in the technology space most of my life in three different industries. At least in the tech space, the main objective of H1-B visa program is to bring cheaper labor into the country. Same as letting in all the illegals for low wage jobs. Unemployment among recent CS degree college graduates armed with the latest skills is high. And if these new graduates don't have the skills then what exactly are the specific skill sets Trump is referring to and why aren't universities and technical schools teaching the required skill sets? Edited 5 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I disagree. I've worked in the technology space most of my life in three different industries. At least in the tech space, the main objective of H1-B visa program is to bring cheaper labor into the country. Same as letting in all the illegals for low wage jobs. Unemployment among recent CS degree college graduates armed with the latest skills is high. And if these new graduates don't have the skills then what exactly are the specific skill sets Trump is referring to and why aren't universities and technical schools teaching the required skill sets? There's no shortage of sources who disagree with you. I can only personally speak to health care staffing. Many of the lower paid medical specialities eg Rheumatology, Endocrinology, Psychiatry are heavily staffed by foreign medical grads. Nurses are in great demand and many are now recruited from afar. During my recent post op stay, 1/4 to 1/3 of my nurses were foreign. But I'm happy to see that you're not always in lock step with trump. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/skills-shortages/#data I don't think it's lack of schools offering, it's lack of demand on the part of students. Why take calculus requiring physics when the lower level course will suffice for many jobs? Why bother with astrophysics when it's relatively poorly paid and intellectually demanding as hell? Why go to med school, residency and fellowship when you can be a PA or NP in less than 1/2 the time? Edited 3 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
All_Pro_Bills Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 51 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: There's no shortage of sources who disagree with you. I can only personally speak to health care staffing. Many of the lower paid medical specialities eg Rheumatology, Endocrinology, Psychiatry are heavily staffed by foreign medical grads. Nurses are in great demand and many are now recruited from afar. During my recent post op stay, 1/4 to 1/3 of my nurses were foreign. But I'm happy to see that you're not always in lock step with trump. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/skills-shortages/#data I don't think it's lack of schools offering, it's lack of demand on the part of students. Why take calculus requiring physics when the lower level course will suffice for many jobs? Why bother with astrophysics when it's relatively poorly paid and intellectually demanding as hell? Why go to med school, residency and fellowship when you can be a PA or NP in less than 1/2 the time? There are certain academic and course requirements for every degree. These are set by educators and others with experience in the specific field. Computer Science is not different. But I don't recall every needing any skills related to astrophysics in software development. The unemployment rate for recent computer science graduates is 6.1%. So there's no shortage of available American workers. The other aspect of the business is outsourcing. Which has eliminated more American jobs than any visa program. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/gen-z-unemployment-rate-2025-computer-science-grads-face-one-of-the-highest-unemployment-rates-today-latest-job-market-news/articleshow/123418021.cms As the job market tightens the arguments for continuing to import large number of workers because of lack of domestic supply weakens.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There are certain academic and course requirements for every degree. These are set by educators and others with experience in the specific field. Computer Science is not different. But I don't recall every needing any skills related to astrophysics in software development. The unemployment rate for recent computer science graduates is 6.1%. So there's no shortage of available American workers. The other aspect of the business is outsourcing. Which has eliminated more American jobs than any visa program. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/gen-z-unemployment-rate-2025-computer-science-grads-face-one-of-the-highest-unemployment-rates-today-latest-job-market-news/articleshow/123418021.cms As the job market tightens the arguments for continuing to import large number of workers because of lack of domestic supply weakens. computer science is a popular field. Not so much with nursing or the other fields I mentioned. Because it appears that there are enough computer science grads, it does not follow that there aren't shortages in other highly skilled jobs or other jobs requiring difficult, extensive schooling. I don't see you point.
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