HappyDays Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: However, him only costing $17M a year is a steal. That ranks him 11th on the pay scale at his position, and this doesn't include players like Quinnen Williams. Just because a player is the 12th best player at his position in the league (which is debatable IMO) doesn't mean you have to pay him that way. We let Edmunds walk for similar reasons. This devotes even more future cap space to the DL after a tremendous over-investment in that group over the past few years, which gives us less flexibility to pay game changing players around Allen. I can't find any logic for this extension. It is totally unnecessary IMO and in fact it may lead to Oliver not playing to his best level this year because he has no incentive to push himself to be greater. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 All I have to say is my first reaction: WTF?!!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Your delusional if you think this is on McD. The Bills analytic team goes over these things... McD and his staff goes over these things... Claiming a HC is underperforming Defensive players over anything on offense is really every part of wrong. Based on what? I've always been skeptical that McD is the real boss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Wow. Do we have full details of contract yet? He's better than his reputation on this board, but...can only hope that he'll be better in a McD defense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Beane and McD continue to make a mess of the DL. A lot of dollars and picks spent and still mediocre results. You forgot to add ‘for a 3peat Division Champion with numerous top 5 Defensive rankings.’ Oterwise, you’re spot on 😉👍 5 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Just because a player is the 12th best player at his position in the league (which is debatable IMO) doesn't mean you have to pay him that way. We let Edmunds walk for similar reasons. Say it louder for those in the back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I can't find any logic for this extension. It is totally unnecessary IMO and in fact it may lead to Oliver not playing to his best level this year because he has no incentive to push himself to be greater. The only possible “logic” i can think of is that they want to free up some money for an acquisition this year ( D Hop? ) and don’t want to kick any (more) money down the road for Tre and Dawkins Edited June 3, 2023 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Holy family that's a waste of money 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Metaphorically on this board? Yes. "Spewed hyperbole" is in regards to how bad the whipping boys actually are in comparison to how they're spoken of. Oliver isn't consistent. But when he's on, he's dominant. His play fell off when Von Miller went down. When he was playing and teams weren't focusing on Ed, he was playing more consistently good than bad. So that means for 11 games of his career, he's been dominant. Metaphorically dominant, I assume you meant.... As for the last guy TBD posters "ran out of town", the Bills entire organization agreed. Good, not as bad as we said, whatever...they concluded he wasn't worth keeping----without our help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Honestly thought we may actually get a solid year of production out of Ed because he was playing for another contract but now… I hope Beane is right on this one because imo “potential” doesn’t deserve a contract even close to sniffing proven elite DTs like Q. Williams and Chris Jones. Ed needs to show up now that’s he’s got his money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, LEBills said: I’m certainly not against signing Ed long term like this, but I think letting him play out his contract year and then having the franchise tag in your pocket if he popped was the best move. The justification for doing this now would be if we were making more cap room to add a DHop or other piece whatever that may be. But I think they just value him more than most on the board do. This sums it up perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: Just because a player is the 12th best player at his position in the league (which is debatable IMO) doesn't mean you have to pay him that way. We let Edmunds walk for similar reasons. This devotes even more future cap space to the DL after a tremendous over-investment in that group over the past few years, which gives us less flexibility to pay game changing players around Allen. I can't find any logic for this extension. It is totally unnecessary IMO and in fact it may lead to Oliver not playing to his best level this year because he has no incentive to push himself to be greater. It's the way they do things and I agree w you, I think it's just as risky cap management giving the Ed Olivers and Taron Johnsons of the world good deals as it is taking big swings on DeAndre Hopkins etc I mean it's commendable they have a system that can utilize guys without elite pro traits but you end up w a ton of capital that isn't valuable anywhere outside Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I guess the coaches don't think he sucks after all. That's why you don't read between the lines, people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Ed Oliver lol, wasted draft pick, wasted cap dollars. My faith in beane's basic competence is at an all time low Edited June 3, 2023 by Pine Barrens Mafia 1 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's the way they do things and I agree w you, I think it's just as risky cap management giving the Ed Olivers and Taron Johnsons of the world good deals as it is taking big swings on DeAndre Hopkins etc I mean it's commendable they have a system that can utilize guys without elite pro traits but you end up w a ton of capital that isn't valuable anywhere outside Buffalo Don't bring Taron into this! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, MJS said: I guess the coaches don't think he sucks after all. That's why you don't read between the lines, people. Trust the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I'm not as down on Ed as most in this thread but this definitely feels like a move to make a move (in terms of freeing up cap space this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I understand that DTs, especially ones that can provide a decent pass rush, are scarce. Oliver is a good DT, but even with that said I don’t get $17M AAV on the extension. There’s no way to look at that and not see a substantial overpay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I guess the coaches don't think he sucks after all. That's why you don't read between the lines, people. Not sure how you infer that. Coaches and front offices disagree all the time. The Titans front office literally traded WR AJ Brown to Philly last year despite Head Coach Vrabel railing against it. After AJ Brown went off the next season, they fired the GM for making the wrong choice and Vrabel got a status boost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: Based on what? I've always been skeptical that McD is the real boss. There are only less then a handful of hc's in this league that run everything including last say... MCD is not one of them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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