Sharky7337 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Thoughts? Our OL grade is the big ouch to me hahaha Edited June 3, 2023 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 A few quick observations: 1. QB seems to be the leading indicator of overall roster strength. 2. The Rams are a mess just a couple years out from going all in. 3 The Jets defense, for all its accolades, seems to have a bunch of holes. 4. The Bills roster, for all the debate on this Board, is shown to be the best across the board with no glaring holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: A few quick observations: 1. QB seems to be the leading indicator of overall roster strength. 2. The Rams are a mess just a couple years out from going all in. 3 The Jets defense, for all its accolades, seems to have a bunch of holes. 4. The Bills roster, for all the debate on this Board, is shown to be the best across the board with no glaring holes. And I was just thinking it reminded me of a Christmas tree. 🤷♂️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Augie said: And I was just thinking it reminded me of a Christmas tree. 🤷♂️ Well there’s that too! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Spot on IMO. I do think our OL can be better, but they'll have to prove it. I'm excited for Torrence's potential. McGovern, not so much. My hope is that Edwards will return to pre-injury form and unseat McGovern. He was slightly above average in LA at one point.McGovern only got a starting job last year and Dallas let him walk because he was subpar. The Bills are gambling that McGovern and Brown can develop into decent OL. Otherwise they look to become career backups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Not a huge fan of this because he just arbitrarily assigns numbers based on how he feels the unit is. It's a way for people to try to add validity to their opinions. Convert your opinion into a number and suddenly it is supposed to have more weight. Just like PFF. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, MJS said: Not a huge fan of this because he just arbitrarily assigns numbers based on how he feels the unit is. It's a way for people to try to add validity to their opinions. Convert your opinion into a number and suddenly it is supposed to have more weight. Just like PFF. Out of curiosity…how would you prefer it be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I{ think our OL is way better, With having Diggs, no matter who is behind him, giving us that grade is hardly fair. and as always... they put to much into QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 RB is a bigger ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, MJS said: Not a huge fan of this because he just arbitrarily assigns numbers based on how he feels the unit is. It's a way for people to try to add validity to their opinions. Convert your opinion into a number and suddenly it is supposed to have more weight. Just like PFF. There is a link provided in the first tweeted reply that shows the ranking info. It is not arbitrary, but PFF grades/rankings are used. The numbers used are strictly based on last season’s performances. Edited June 3, 2023 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: RB is a bigger ouch Wr is only .1 higher than rb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 without pairing this to heat maps, I can't make heads nor tails of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Here is a breakdown of the Bills rankings, according to that list, for easy reference: QB: 2nd RB: 21st WR: 20th TE: 11th OL: 23rd DL (interior): 9th Edge: 9th LB: 18th CB: 9th Saf: 1st Overall: 3rd Off: 9th Def: 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Terrible rankings the RB,WR and OL are much better than given credit by this guy. The Defense is overrated to a smaller extent than the offense is underrated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Out of curiosity…how would you prefer it be done? Using stats and metrics for each unit to determine the score. Pro Football Reference has their AV scores, which are imperfect but are objective and stats based. Could use those scores to determine the overall unit score for each team. Just about anything is better than pulling a number out of your behind and then performing an analysis on those numbers as if they were real numbers. 41 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: There is a link provided in the first tweeted reply that shows the ranking info. It is not arbitrary, but PFF grades/rankings are used. The numbers used are strictly based on last season’s performances. He uses PFF grades as a starting point and adjusts his scores based on his own feelings. PFF grades are exactly the same thing. Arbitrarily assigning a number based on your opinion on a player. It's why I don't like them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: Thoughts? Our OL grade is the big ouch to me hahaha The WRs are way too low. The detailed team report and independent position rankings seem a bit ridiculous. To point out a couple, I mean we're really ranked behind Chicago and Baltimore for WRs? Really?! For the most part seems reasonable tho, although Von Miller essentially is the ED, and Milano essentially is the LB. Both are impact, but it also assumes that Miller at 34 and returning from a serious injury will be 100% or close to it, and that age hasn't factored in. He's also got Allen throwing for 4-6 fewer TDs than he has in any of the last three seasons. Not sure I see that unless Dorsey really f's up. In other predictions that won't sit well with most here, he's got Cook rushing for 689, Harris for 507. For WRs he has Davis at only 765 and Shakir as the third leading WR with 322. Kincaid 494/4. He's got Torrence backing up McGovern at LG with Bates starting at RG. Not sure I see Torrence not starting as a 2nd round pick. Bates is OK but he's hardly great and certainly not worth ignoring a 2nd-round OL pick that many had being taken in the 1st-round. If those are the numbers that we put up given the circumstances I don't see Dorsey surviving the turk. 3 hours ago, Augie said: And I was just thinking it reminded me of a Christmas tree. 🤷♂️ After smoking a bowl, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, GreggTX said: Spot on IMO. I do think our OL can be better, but they'll have to prove it. I'm excited for Torrence's potential. McGovern, not so much. My hope is that Edwards will return to pre-injury form and unseat McGovern. He was slightly above average in LA at one point.McGovern only got a starting job last year and Dallas let him walk because he was subpar. The Bills are gambling that McGovern and Brown can develop into decent OL. Otherwise they look to become career backups. Was Edwards put on IR for his concussion? I don't see anything else. That shouldn't be an impediment for this season. The bigger indicator is his 1-year $1.7M contract, a Beane specialty, which doesn't exactly scream out talent. Contrasted with McGovern's 3-year $23M deal in particular. I don't see Edwards unseating McGovern. If he does it won't bode well for Beane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, PBF81 said: After smoking a bowl, or what? I don’t have to answer that! 😋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Considering we are paying one TE $13M a year, and just spent a first round pick on another, we better have better than the 11th best TE group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Process said: Considering we are paying one TE $13M a year, and just spent a first round pick on another, we better have better than the 11th best TE group. A trade-up 1st as well. 50 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: WR should be slightly higher but not by much…. Everyone but some Bills fans think our WRs are good. 😅 RB who cares. Think OL should be a slightly better ranking simply by subtracting Saffold, but understand the ranking. Davis is better than most realize. Not saying that it's an elite group, but at some point, despite being unpopular, if you're going to trade-up to get a TE in the 1st, drop $52M on another TE, have one of the most expensive WRs in the league as a FA, you'd better get some production out of the unit, otherwise we need to talk Beane, which few want to do. Our RBs are a downgrade from last season as we will see. At the end of the day though, it's all going to depend upon Dorsey and the chemistry between him and Josh. If that's there, unlike last season, then we have the potential to be the best offense in the league. I wouldn't put money on it, but that potential is there. Edited June 3, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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