Frazier Permanently Gone?

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

 

One of the ultimate man’s

movies in Tombstone.

[T master]

I kind of wonder if there wasn't a difference of opinion as to how aggressive McD would have liked the D to be say like in the 13 second game and possibly some others . Maybe the bend not break type of scheme was more Frazier than McD although statistically that scheme was good in crunch time not so much .

 

This year could be very telling to see just how the Bills HC implements the defensive scheme and what changes will be made from Frazier's .

Edited May 18, 2023 by T master

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, T master said:

I kind of wonder if there wasn't a difference of opinion as to how aggressive McD would have liked the D to be say like in the 13 second game and possibly some others . Maybe the bend not break type of scheme was more Frazier than McD although statistically that scheme was good in crunch time not so much .

 

This year could be very telling to see just how the Bills HC implements the defensive scheme and what changes will be made from Frazier's .

 

Sean is, from what we evidence we have in Philly and Carolina, a more aggressive play caller, but scheme wise expect the Bills to still be a bend but not break scheme that tries to limit big plays and keep the game in front of them. That's how McD's defenses succeeded as well. You may see him bring more pressure in certain situations where Leslie would be inclined to play coverage but there will be a lot of simulate pressure and drop out as there was in Frazier's defense. 

[Matt_In_NH]

This is what I assumed since it was announced

[nucci]

Shocking.

[BuffaloBillyG]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sean is, from what we evidence we have in Philly and Carolina, a more aggressive play caller, but scheme wise expect the Bills to still be a bend but not break scheme that tries to limit big plays and keep the game in front of them. That's how McD's defenses succeeded as well. You may see him bring more pressure in certain situations where Leslie would be inclined to play coverage but there will be a lot of simulate pressure and drop out as there was in Frazier's defense. 

I'd like to add that while most fans hate this term, it's what most successful modern defenses do in this era. There are some exceptions, sure. But with the way the rules are set up to protect the QB and always tipped in favor of the passing game on offense you can't be too aggressive too many times and risk tossing in penalty yards and free first downs on top of the already slanted rules. 

 

These days you almost have to play passive and pick a spot here or there to surprise an offense with a bit of uptempo defense to cause a negative play. Sean has the reputation of having an excellent feel for when to turn that dial up.

Edited May 18, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG

[WIDE LEFT]

It is as clear as a bell that McD informed Frazier that he (McD) would call the defenses in 2023 season. Given this, Frazier had to leave the Bills. At this point in his career, Frazier cannot accept being a DC stripped of play calling responsibilities. Among other problems, it would kill any chance of gettting a HC job

[Warriorspikes51]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

They brought pressure on this play too. How do you not play press man there?

[Gregg]

He should have been out after 13 seconds. I still can't believe the Bills didn't win that game. 30 seconds sure as there is enough time to get into FG range especially with timeouts. But 13 come on.

[SoCal Deek]

He’s gone. It happens in every business. At first it sounds like a short leave of absence but after a full year the team will have moved on and bringing him back would look and feel like a desperation move (even if it isn’t…which it would be)

[Mr. WEO]

what is the "coach accelerator program"?

[BobbyC81]

43 minutes ago, Gregg said:

He should have been out after 13 seconds. I still can't believe the Bills didn't win that game. 30 seconds sure as there is enough time to get into FG range especially with timeouts. But 13 come on.

And they called timeout before each of the last 2 plays.

[GerstAusGosheim]

The big story everyone is missing is that Sean waited until there were no DC jobs left to fire him. That's really messed up.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

They brought pressure on this play too. How do you not play press man there?

 

I agree.

 

And the Bills seem to agree as well, since the next time that situation happened, they switched to press man. Video below.

 

I just wonder if it was Frazier who realized it and fixed it, or it McD told him not to ever do that again.

 

 

[co_springs_billsfan]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

They brought pressure on this play too. How do you not play press man there?

I was screaming at my TV live when this happened,  and even moreso after they sent pressure 

[SoCal Deek]

21 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

The big story everyone is missing is that Sean waited until there were no DC jobs left to fire him. That's really messed up.

I’m not sure that’s the correct takeaway. I’m confident the Bills were allowing other teams to talk with Frazier. The question is did anyone call. I’m guessing not. 

[Franco_92]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

At midfield, yes. Not at the 7 yard line. There is not much room for the defender to even run past the DB in this part of the field (unless it’s a pylon throw or slot middle). 

 

The right call is to play press man and force Burrow to hold onto the ball a second longer. The play call they chose, gift wrapped a first down for Cinci. 

 

And the Bills agree with me. How do I know?

 

Well, not much later in the game, the Bills defense were in almost exactly the same position. This time it was 3rd and 5 instead of 3rd and 4. And it was also in the red zone.

 

In almost the exact same situation, the Bills played cover 0 again (or maybe it was cover 1?), but this time with press man. Any guesses as to what happened?

 

Burrow had to hold the ball longer, waiting for his receivers to get separation. In doing so, he got hit by Ed Oliver, and barely was able to throw the ball away.

 

 

The bills have never called cover 0 with press man in the snow lol. They were in a different coverage then. The picture I quoted insinuates that the CBs need to be in press on that play call. That is ######ed - if they are in cover 0 with press in the snow, instead of barely getting the first down (which they wouldn't have gotten had white been better about tackling even with the cushion) burrow would have had one of three wide open WRs for a touchdown and could have picked whichever he would have liked to throw to, like you would pick your favorite cantaloupe at the store. 

 

I agree that press man coverage would have been best there, but not with cover 0, because cover 0 is TOO AGGRESSIVE for the circumstance. Cover 2 press man on the outside with that 3 man rush and delayed Milano blitz would have been my call. 

If you can get a screen shot of that next play you mention that shows 7 blitzers I will believe you. But I have literally never seen what people were asking for from that play 

Edited May 18, 2023 by arcane

[Ralonzo]

11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Try taking a year off of your job and see if its waiting for you when you get back.

 

Try messing up your job like 13 seconds and see if your badge works the next morning.

[Franco_92]

I would simply never call cover 0 against a QB I consider a top 10 QB

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

53 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

what is the "coach accelerator program"?

Most Bills fans don't need a stop at the end of the rails...🤔

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I am disappointed that nobody has opined:

"Frazier has left the building!"