RoyBatty is alive Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Gambit said: Not even Allen? I know he started out rough but he definitely showed promise. I can understand the mindset. I was more excited about Kincaid a week after the draft than I was Allen. At that time, Allen was a massive gamble. Oh he is inaccurate, from a small school blah blah blah. I really got excited re Allen after an incredible TD pass he completed in preseason versus Carolina? threading the needle between two defenders a pass very very few NFL QBs could complete. Edited May 12 by RoyBatty is alive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I confess I hated the Josh Allen pick at the time so I was a little more apprehensive about him as a rookie. Kincaid I feel is a sure thing and can take this offense to another level. Every year I have one or two draft crushes that I don't really expect to be there when we pick. Kincaid is the first time I can remember that my draft crush fell to us and we took him. That definitely makes sense. I don't follow college much, so when I see people like you so excited for a player like Kincaid, it gets me pumped. I really hope he tears up the middle of the field for us. His route running looks really smooth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Yeah that last clip from Sal shows off his skill set. Speed on the release, sharp cut in, catch the ball and continue running upfield in one fluid motion. I haven't been this excited about a Bills rookie in at least the last decade. I find myself trying to temper my emotions and expectations, but he sure looks special. He’s just so fluid and makes it look so easy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 28 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I can understand the mindset. I was more excited about Kincaid a week after the draft than I was Allen. At that time, Allen was a massive gamble. Oh he is inaccurate, from a small school blah blah blah. I really got excited re Allen after an incredible TD pass he completed in preseason versus Carolina? threading the needle between two defenders a pass very very few NFL QBs could complete. Allen was considered a massive gamble only by talking head pundits spewing nonsense about an arbitrary 60% completion threshold and how nobody with his college numbers ever made it in the NFL. And people just ran with that narrative as if it were gospel. But NFL scouts and GMs never considered him a “massive gamble” in the least. After his 2016 college season, he had cemented himself as a future top 10 pick in the draft. They were able to review every pass attempt at Wyoming and break it down in detail, including with input from his coaches. Why? To add the context necessary to make a more informed analysis. Taking head pundits simply lack the time and resources necessary to vet prospects to that level of scrutiny. Especially QBs prospects, which are the most difficult to project. That’s just those aspects that pertain to his physical ability to succeed. Allen’s aptitude for the position, from both a schematic and leadership ability standpoint was off the charts. Something, again, his critics weren’t privy to. He blew people away with his recall ability and whiteboard breakdowns. Daboll said he never saw anyone like him when it came to that mental aspect. I’ve heard that echoed by a few others as well. The only real concern about Allen was his sheer inexperience at the position as he didn’t attend elite QB camps since middle school nor make it his singular focus in high school. But everyone agreed that could be mitigated with time in a pro system with pro coaches learning the intricacies of the position. As it turned out he wasn’t afforded the time and instead was forced to start much sooner than hope for. And his progression speaks well of all the things the scouts and GMs got right before he was drafted. Lucky us. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatixs Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 You saw it here first! **KING_CAID** It will be a thing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Ugh. I love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Definitely worthy of posting a thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Now how can I un-see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 12 hours ago, Awwufelloff said: He's a glorified WR. Those cuts are insane at his size. Wouldn’t a TE be an un-glorified WR? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-first-round-pick-te-dalton-kincaid-signs-rookie-contract Congrats, young man. The Kelce comparison likely isn't fair yet but I'll take the Bills version of Antonio Gates..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 5 minutes ago, JoeF said: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-first-round-pick-te-dalton-kincaid-signs-rookie-contract Congrats, young man. The Kelce comparison likely isn't fair yet but I'll take the Bills version of Antonio Gates..... Kelce isn’t fair but Gates is? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 15 minutes ago, JoeF said: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-first-round-pick-te-dalton-kincaid-signs-rookie-contract Congrats, young man. The Kelce comparison likely isn't fair yet but I'll take the Bills version of Antonio Gates..... Antonio Gates has 45 more TDs than Kelce in their careers lol He has the potential of them but Antonio Gates is going to walk into the Hall of Fame 10 minutes ago, Beast said: Kelce isn’t fair but Gates is? Exactly lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Antonio Gates has 45 more TDs than Kelce in their careers lol He has the potential of them but Antonio Gates is going to walk into the Hall of Fame Exactly lol Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did. Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college. Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer. His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years. He will exceed Gates yards this year. To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats. 1 hour ago, Beast said: Kelce isn’t fair but Gates is? Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level. Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage. There has never been a TE like Kelce. There have been other's like Gates. Edited May 13 by JoeF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JoeF said: Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did. Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college. Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer. His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years. He will exceed Gates yards this year. To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats. Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level. Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage. There has never been a TE like Kelce. There have been other's like Gates. Getting receiving yards between the 20s And collecting yard stats does not tell the entire story of someone’s career Is Kelce better ? Yea Antonio Gates is walking into the Hall of Fame No matter what you say Travis Kelce is not heads and shoulders above a first ballot Hall of Famer Who will probably end his career with more touchdowns than Kelce Edited May 13 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 14 minutes ago, JoeF said: Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did. Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college. Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer. His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years. He will exceed Gates yards this year. To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats. Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level. Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage. There has never been a TE like Kelce. There have been other's like Gates. Gates only retired about 5 years ago, but he played a LONG time. This just goes to show how the game has changed and become a (largely vertical) passing game. Gates would still be great, but Kelce, and hopefully Kincaid, are a different breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Getting receiving yards between the 20s And collecting yard stats does not tell the entire story of someone’s career Antonio Gates is walking into the Hall of Fame No matter what you say Travis Kelce is not heads and shoulders above a first ballot Hall of Famer No running back is head and shoulders above Thurman Thomas.. Hall of Famer’s Are a different breed So you don't read stats and you say Kelce is a between the 20's weapon? Who beat us in OT with a TD beating our best LB in an AFC divisional game. That between the 20's weapon. Gates and Kelce are both great players but to compare what Kelce is doing now to what Gates did is in my opinion mis-informed. I am not here to debate you. You are entitled to your opinion. I just think I am right. Thanks for the exchange. Edited May 13 by JoeF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 32 minutes ago, JoeF said: Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did. Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college. Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer. His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years. He will exceed Gates yards this year. To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats. Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level. Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage. There has never been a TE like Kelce. There have been other's like Gates. Agreed- Kelce >> Gates. taking nothing away from Gates, but I’d take Kelce over Gates and wouldn’t think twice. Easy decision imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 21 minutes ago, JoeF said: Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did. Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college. Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer. His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years. He will exceed Gates yards this year. To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats. Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level. Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage. There has never been a TE like Kelce. There have been other's like Gates. I'm not disagreeing with you that once all is said and done Kelce may indeed show to be the better TE, but Kelce is probably not passing Gates in yardage this season. In order for that to happen Kelce would need to have more yards this year than in any year of his career so far and do so while turning 34 in early October. Barring injury, a sudden sharp decline in play or a decision to retire after this year, he will most likely pass Gates in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JoeF said: So you don't read stats and you say Kelce is a between the 20's weapon? Who beat us in OT with a TD beating our best LB in an AFC divisional game. That between the 20's weapon. Gates and Kelce are both great players but to compare what Kelce is doing now to what Gates did is in my opinion mis-informed. I am not here to debate you. You are entitled to your opinion. I just think I am right. Thanks for the exchange. Well sometimes it takes 20 minutes to get there right word you’re looking for… And Kelce is still a mismatch on Milano … Gates would be too If you would look back To my reply which I was changing as soon as I hit submit I agree Travis is a better tightend I’m not arguing that I’m arguing that one Hall of Famer is not head and shoulders above another walk in the Hall of Famer We’re not comparing Travis and Knox lol Gates helped change the game Edited May 13 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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