BillsFan619 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Get a star RB. I think most here would agree with JK’s statement about needing to take some pressure off of JA. But, there could be different opinions on how to most effectively make that happen. Many here this off-season have wanted us to get a star RB and many here have wanted us to get a star #2WR (or #1bWR). While both pieces would be nice, which is a more vital piece in your opinion to taking more pressure off of Josh and getting us a Super Bowl victory? JK obviously knows offense. Because he played QB, if there’s anyone that knows what will take pressure off of a QB, it’s him. Is he right, is the more vital piece a star RB? On the other hand, JK played in an offense from a different era where the RB position was a lot more important. Is the more vital piece a star #2WR? Thoughts? If you want to hear JK’s thoughts, click on play. Go Bills! Edited March 31, 2023 by BillsFan619 1 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Makes sense for Jim to say this, Thurman Thomas did exactly this. 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Pffftttt...what does JK know?? j/k 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) I’ll defer to the Hall of Famer. But for the record he also played with Reed (a route running savant) and Lofton (proven deep threat) at the same time during the early Super Bowl run. Edited March 31, 2023 by NoHuddleKelly12 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Jim would know. Those offenses from the Super Bowl era were led by Thurman. Jim even mentioned at the time that when Thurman was having a good game (which was most of the time) that it opened everything else up. Jim also played behind a good OL. Allen doesn't. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Now if only McB could understand this concept. They've had 5+ years to improve the OL and they failed miserably. Andy improves his OL in one off season. If I identify my qb as a generational superstar, I'm sure as hell going to surround him immediately with weapons & OL. Not dick around picking failed D lineman. 5 11 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I'm all for drafting Bijan, if he somehow fell to us but I don't see that happening. Outside of that, just draft a damn tackle that will give Allen time. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The one player answer is obvious.........get him a star WR2. Another SB has passed and another team that won without a star RB.........it was a "trend" 18-20 years ago(when teams started going to split carry backfields)..........now it's blatantly obvious that you don't need or even want a star RB taking the ball out of your stud passers hands. McBeane should really clam up about Allen running too much if they don't intend to get him a better receiving corps............only an idiot thinks that Josh Allen running is a result of the RB's not producing.........he doesn't run on run downs he runs on passing downs...........he runs because the receivers aren't open, are dropping passes or the pass pro broke down. 12 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 It is a passing league now offensive line upgrades will make average back serviceable which is all you need. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The rules of the game have changed. Football as Jim played it is gone to the tide. Now you win by passing the ball and if you're good at it they just can't stop you. If you want to keep up with the best of the best it is imperative you take full advantage of pass defense and pass rush being made illegal. The Bills have Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs—they're close! They don't need to reinvent the wheel. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Well, not a ringing endorsement of things at OBD. Sort of an ouch, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gregg said: Jim would know. Those offenses from the Super Bowl era were led by Thurman. Jim even mentioned at the time that when Thurman was having a good game (which was most of the time) that it opened everything else up. Jim also played behind a good OL. Allen doesn't. The year after Wolford left, Thomas went from being a guy who averaged nearly 5 ypc every season between 1988-1992 to a guy averaging 3.7 in 1993. And his yards per reception, which had always been between 10.2 an 11.6 up to that point, shrank to 8.1. It was the line. Wolford was a HOF quality LT who left after 1992, and in 1993 both Hull and Ritcher missed games too. Thomas went from being elite to a decent player. They made the SB that season not because of the offense but because the defense generated 47 turnovers. To be fair, the Bills' line steamrolled the Chiefs D in the championship game, but that's because the Chiefs' d-line was made up of pass rushers. As people may recall, Derrick Thomas was benched midway through that game. Anyway, Kelly is a HOF player, but I think the line is a lot more important than the RB (not that RB quality doesn't matter). 12 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Jimbo as you can see from my avatar is a hero for a lot of us, but that was a different league and different rules. We need a stud #2 WR. if we get Hopkins on draft day another TE should be a top priority as we’re surrounding JA17 Super Allen a plethora of weapons like what KC and Cincy have done. A1st RD RB is a mistake. They know it as well. Lastly, better G’s is important to make to the running game work where it’s not Allen. Edited March 31, 2023 by machine gun kelly 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Well, not a ringing endorsement of things at OBD. Sort of an ouch, actually. Deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 It's a different game now. If Josh put up Jim's stats we would be wondering if we should be looking at QB's in the draft. You want to take the ball out of your best players hands? No thanks. Jim should sit this one out 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Deservedly so. Yeah, but it’ll only serve to rile and pile on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Fix the OL and add more receiving weapons. This idea that we need a star RB, as if you can just go to the store and get one, in order to win a SB is stupid. I don’t care that it’s Jim Kelly saying it, it’s dumb. How can anyone watch our recent playoff failures and conclude that not having a star RB was our downfall 1 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: Get a star RB. I think most here would agree with JK’s statement about needing to take some pressure off of JA. But, there could be different opinions on how to most effectively make that happen. Many here this off-season have wanted us to get a star RB and many here have wanted us to get a star #2WR (or #1bWR). While both pieces would be nice, which is a more vital piece in your opinion to taking more pressure off of Josh and getting us a Super Bowl victory? JK obviously knows offense. Is he right, is the more vital piece a star RB? On the other hand, JK played in an offense from a different era where the RB position was a lot more important. Is the more vital piece a star #2WR? Thoughts? If you want to hear JK’s thoughts, click on play. Go Bills! It makes perfect sense for Jim to feel that way. He wants Josh to have what he had, in Thurman Thomas. I'm not sure it makes perfect sense for the Bills to go after a star running back at this point. They just used a high draft pick (2nd) on a good pass catching RB who gained 5.7 Y/A and converted 25 1D on 89 touches last season, plus another 5 1D and 8.6 Y/R in the passing game. Kid only saw 269 snaps; if he can handle a larger workload, he could contribute very nicely. The thing is, Jim and Thurman also had Howard Ballard, Kent Hull, Jim Ritcher, and Will Wolford on OL. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Fix the OL and add more receiving weapons. This idea that we need a star RB, as if you can just go to the store and get one, in order to win a SB is stupid. I don’t care that it’s Jim Kelly saying it, it’s dumb. How can anyone watch our recent playoff failures and conclude that not having a star RB was our downfall Poor OL and a paper tiger defense who only plays well against bad/mediocre teams but gets destroyed against good offenses is the reason why they fail in the playoffs. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Clock is ticking on Beane man. I’m sorry it has to be. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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