RocCityRoller Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 A lot of posters here want ancient D Hopkins signed to be WR2, and spend draft capital on this stiff to replace Gabe Davis. D Hop was a really good WR, but he has not played more than 10 games since 2020. He hasn't passed 720 yards since 2020. He hasn't passed 8 TD since 2018. It is 2023. Last Year: Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Davis had +119 yards, +4 TDs on 3 fewer targets, on a rookie deal. Many here swear Hopkins should be signed at 10+ million a year and a draft pick though. How does that make any sense??? It doesn't. It has also become popular here to knock down Gabe Davis and blame him for the Bills offensive struggles. Nevermind the sub-par OL play, or that the slot WR position was a mess all season. Davis and Diggs looked better with a solid slot WR like Beasley. A lot of TSW wanted Beasley out, and you got your wish. How did that work out for you? It didn't. Beasley type slot WR are available (Berrios/ Ritchie/ draft), but don't point that out here. Beane missed on Crowder, so Ritchie and Berrios would suck too according to TSW. Ignore that the OC was new to the position or that the TE and RBs were forgotten for major stretches of the season. Forget developing Cook, or using Hines. Go get Ekeler and his 127 targets last year... that is the answer.... Run game? What is that?, we have Allen, chuck it up where a guy looks open. That was often Davis downfield, as seen by yards per target. The catch % reflects it, but TSW won't admit it. Much like D Hopkins in his first 5 years. 48/ 836/ 7 TD apparently is bad now for a WR #2. A lot of teams and fans would love that production from a #2 WR. That was top 35% WR production in the league for ALL WR. When looking at all WR with 50+ targets Davis scored top 1/3 in a lot of categories. But no: 52% catch rate last year = sucks. It was a bad stat for certain, but how many of those balls were actually catchable? TSW thinks Gabe Davis stinks. Then again I've recently seen TSW attack Tre White recently too. So replace Davis with D Hopkins huh? A WR that did less with more opportunities, costs more and is ancient? Smart team building there. Maybe we should chill out a bit as fans. Did you know Deandre Hopkins never had a catch % higher than 60% for his first 5 seasons?! Hopkins catch % was 57.1%/ 59.8%/ 57.8%/ 51.7%/ 55.2% over his first 5 seasons. Gabe Davis is 56.5%/ 55.6%/ 52.6% as a #2, but he 'stinks'. It took 4 seasons as WR #1 for Hopkins to exceed 60% catch % but WR don't improve their catch % per TSW. Many here think Buffalo should trade for an older version of the guy we already have, is less productive, and costs more Brilliant. 1 4 3 4 2 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Ugh I saw D Hopkins and got excited for a second. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Nope. Besides being too old, I’ll never forgive his douchebaggery after his lucky catch. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Now go back and normalize Hopkins' stats by games played and see the difference between he and Davis. The only stat that is worth speaking about when it comes to Gabe Davis is 51% catch ratio- almost a 50/50 chance he catches the ball. Not to mention his limited route tree. Throw all the stats you want but do you really think Gabriel Davis is better than Deandre Hopkins? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Ugh I saw D Hopkins and got excited for a second. Typical TSW troll Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Hopkins is 30 turning 31 this season Davis is 23 turning 24 this season have fun with your AARP team 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Davis is severely limited in the routes he runs, and the ones he's good at take forever to develop, which is part of why Allen's stats are so bad/throws to Davis are so off compared to other WRs. Hopkins is exponentially more well-rounded than Gabe, even if he hasn't stayed on the field for various reasons and is older etc. He had those numbers in half the games played of Gabe, on a dreadful offense with a dreadful qb who was hurt anyway I don't even want to trade for Hopkins but this is a misleading comparison at absolute best 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) Are we really comparing Gabe Davis to Dhop? That's laughable. Don't forget to list the list of 3rd string QBs he had throwing to him before Watson got there in year 5 btw. Dhop is the one WR who has produced regardless of QB for a decade straight. Comparing him to Davis is such disrespect. Edited March 15, 2023 by Southern_Bills 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: Now go back and normalize Hopkins' stats by games played and see the difference between he and Davis. The only stat that is worth speaking about when it comes to Gabe Davis is 51% catch ratio- almost a 50/50 chance he catches the ball. Not to mention his limited route tree. Throw all the stats you want but do you really think Gabriel Davis is better than Deandre Hopkins? Hopkins was a sub 60% catch guy for 5 years. 3 of those were as WR #1. And yes, I'd rather have 24 yr old Davis to 31 yr old Hopkins. 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Typical TSW troll Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Hopkins is 30 turning 31 this season Davis is 23 turning 24 this season have fun with your AARP team what? I’m a troll because I like Hopkins??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Now go back and normalize Hopkins' stats by games played and see the difference between he and Davis. The only stat that is worth speaking about when it comes to Gabe Davis is 51% catch ratio- almost a 50/50 chance he catches the ball. Not to mention his limited route tree. Throw all the stats you want but do you really think Gabriel Davis is better than Deandre Hopkins? Right now, today building a team, yes I do. Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said: Hopkins was a sub 60% catch guy for 5 years. 3 of those were as WR #1. And yes, I'd rather have 24 yr old Davis to 31 yr old Hopkins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just stop, you are talking about a first ballot HOF player, one of the very best in the game for the last decade vs a below average #2. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Hopkins was a sub 60% catch guy for 5 years. 3 of those were as WR #1. And yes, I'd rather have 24 yr old Davis to 31 yr old Hopkins. Sub 60% with Skelton and the rest of the scrubs throwing him the ball? I get it he's older, but disrespecting his game is ridiculous. Davis is no where near his level, even with Davis being 7 years younger he probably isn't as good as Dhop. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Doesn't either guy effectively have one year left anyway? I don't really care about age, we aren't giving Gabe another contract the way he's been playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Hopkins averaged 7 catches for 80 yards last season……Davis had 3 games all season with 80+ yards. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: A lot of posters here want ancient D Hopkins signed to be WR2, and spend draft capital on this stiff to replace Gabe Davis. D Hop was a really good WR, but he has not played more than 10 games since 2020. He hasn't passed 720 yards since 2020. He hasn't passed 8 TD since 2018. It is 2023. Last Year: Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. Davis had +119 yards, +4 TDs on 3 fewer targets, on a rookie deal. Many here swear Hopkins should be signed at 10+ million a year and a draft pick though. How does that make any sense??? It doesn't. It has also become popular here to knock down Gabe Davis and blame him for the Bills offensive struggles. Nevermind the sub-par OL play, or that the slot WR position was a mess all season. Davis and Diggs looked better with a solid slot WR like Beasley. A lot of TSW wanted Beasley out, and you got your wish. How did that work out for you? It didn't. Beasley type slot WR are available (Berrios/ Ritchie/ draft), but don't point that out here. Beane missed on Crowder, so Ritchie and Berrios would suck too according to TSW. Ignore that the OC was new to the position or that the TE and RBs were forgotten for major stretches of the season. Forget developing Cook, or using Hines. Go get Ekeler and his 127 targets last year... that is the answer.... Run game? What is that?, we have Allen, chuck it up where a guy looks open. That was often Davis downfield, as seen by yards per target. The catch % reflects it, but TSW won't admit it. Much like D Hopkins in his first 5 years. 48/ 836/ 7 TD apparently is bad now for a WR #2. A lot of teams and fans would love that production from a #2 WR. That was top 35% WR production in the league for ALL WR. When looking at all WR with 50+ targets Davis scored top 1/3 in a lot of categories. But no: 52% catch rate last year = sucks. It was a bad stat for certain, but how many of those balls were actually catchable? TSW thinks Gabe Davis stinks. Then again I've recently seen TSW attack Tre White recently too. So replace Davis with D Hopkins huh? A WR that did less with more opportunities, costs more and is ancient? Smart team building there. Maybe we should chill out a bit as fans. Did you know Deandre Hopkins never had a catch % higher than 60% for his first 5 seasons?! Hopkins catch % was 57.1%/ 59.8%/ 57.8%/ 51.7%/ 55.2% over his first 5 seasons. Gabe Davis is 56.5%/ 55.6%/ 52.6% as a #2, but he 'stinks'. It took 4 seasons as WR #1 for Hopkins to exceed 60% catch % but WR don't improve their catch % per TSW. Many here think Buffalo should trade for an older version of the guy we already have, is less productive, and costs more Brilliant. You can’t be serious with this post. Come on lol. PS: You immediately lost credibility of your post out the gate when you talked about games played since 2020 to imply he has injury issues. He has had ONE injury in his whole career were missed more than 1 game, and that was 2021. He only missed a total of 2 games the rest of his career. His suspension that cost him games this year was related to his recovery for that injury in 2021. He does NOT have reliability issues. And the funniest part is that you compared a whole season for Davis to half a season to Hopkins, yet Hopkins put up nearly the same totals in half the time despite Davis playing on the most pass happy offense in the league with a top 2 QB. Hopkins played with a lesser Murray and scrub backups. And you calling Hopkins ancient is hilarious when I guess that makes Diggs ancient too since he is only 6 months older than Diggs. No disrespect, but man this is quite honestly just an all around terrible thread, assessment and comparison. You’d be much better off deleting it than letting more people read this TBH. Hopkins is a top 5 WR in the NFL, Davis isn’t even a top 5 WR in his 4 team division. Edited March 15, 2023 by Alphadawg7 6 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Are we really comparing Gabe Davis to Dhop? That's laughable. Don't forget to list the list of 3rd string QBs he had throwing to him before Watson got there in year 5 btw. Dhop is the one WR who has produced regardless of QB for a decade straight. Comparing him to Davis is such disrespect. I don't care about the past. S Hop was a sub 60% receiver for 5 years. Two of those were with Andre Johnson as WR #1. Davis had better yards/ TDs and YPC than Hopkins last year. He is younger and cheaper. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Right now, today building a team, yes I do. Hopkins had 717 yards and 3 TD on 96 targets. Davis had 836 yards and 7 TD on 93 targets. That Steelers game inflated Davis’s stats. 45 rec 665yds 5 TD in 14 games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 16 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Nope. Besides being too old, I’ll never forgive his douchebaggery after his lucky catch. Him celebrating after an amazing catch? lol. Sensitive fans. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, RocCityRoller said: I don't care about the past. S Hop was a sub 60% receiver for 5 years. Two of those were with Andre Johnson as WR #1. Davis had better yards/ TDs and YPC than Hopkins last year. He is younger and cheaper. Period. You don't care about the past but are stating stats that happened...in the past. I'll be nice and leave it at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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