NewEra Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: I'm hoping Shakir steps up, but I'm not counting on it. To me, it's less about a known commodity. It truly is a missing element on this offense. We just signed Harty, who is very good at RAC (but not a starter). Cut McKenzie, Crowder contract expired, Beas was brought out of semi-retirement, and that leaves Shakir. Defenses can easily bracket Diggs/Davis, we "need" a slot. We shall see come draft day, but our short passing game is predicated on this We will definitely need a slot if your predictions of Shakir and Harty not being able to handle it are true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 It's a shame that he could never stay consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MasterStrategist Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He wasn’t a slot only though. Clearly... my point is everyone thinks Flowers/Downs are slot only too (built similar to Jahan). Both these guys can move around on offense, but best suited at slot in our offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Looks like a mediocre WR room. Right now a very weak room. Josh can’t be happy right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, UConn James said: Hate is a strong word. Exasperation might be more apt. He stepped up in a couple of games in the past few years and he’s got a boisterous personality. That’s nowhere enough to keep him around. IMO, he single-handedly lost us the @Miami game this past season. Josh got him the ball at what, the 30 or so with the seconds ticking down. McK decides to juke / dance at the CB for 2-3 more yards rather than try to go out of bounds or just hit the turf and give up the tackle in exchange for what was about 4-5 seconds. We tried to line up for another snap, time JUST ran out before the snap, and Ken Dorsey became a meme throwing his stuff around in the booth in a rage. They didn’t say anything in the presser or anything, but McK cost us a FG attempt to win it (we lost 21-19) that is very makable for Bass. I don’t remember him owning up to it and I don’t think he saw his juking in that moment as a / the problem. Situational awareness just isn’t there. Via con dios, Isaiah. I think everything your write is 100% accurate, right down to the Ken Dorsey meme comment (har har). McKenzie also cost us the game 2 years ago versus the cults, he wasn't even touched, dropped the kickoff and the colts got it to our 1 yards line. That play started a massive momentum move for the Colts we never recovered. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: I didn't say they didn't have an elite TEAM. But they have glaring weaknesses. You'd take their LBs and secondary over the Bills? And Diggs is better than any of their WRs. They loss Hill yet still won the Superbowl. You said the Bills WRs are not "championship caliber". I disagreed and your answer doesn't say otherwise. They have huge strengths (and schemes/gameplans are a huge one!) yet they have weaknesses as well. Fair enough. Your point is valid in context. Id argue they had more options 1-5 (1–4 after Hardman got hurt) than we did, and when discussing WR’s I’m factoring in TE play, so Kelce and Knox. However, yes, I do feel we have a much better defense than KC heading into next year… but they still have the edge, by a lot, on the OL and at TE … and are still good enough (given they're elite at OL/TE) in their WR room with MVS, Toney, Moore that I’m sure they’ll add to. Diggs is proven. Knox & Davis we’re still kind of hoping. Shakir & Harty are unknowns. That’s a lot of uncertainty at weaponry for Allen. Especially when we’re not really loaded anywhere on Offense. It’s middle of the pack units (until proven otherwise) everywhere … RB, OL, TE, WR. Edited March 17, 2023 by SCBills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: We will definitely need a slot if your predictions of Shakir and Harty not being able to handle it are true. Beasley is still available 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, wppete said: Thanks Pete we had no idea 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, UConn James said: Hate is a strong word. Exasperation might be more apt. He stepped up in a couple of games in the past few years and he’s got a boisterous personality. That’s nowhere enough to keep him around. IMO, he single-handedly lost us the @Miami game this past season. Josh got him the ball at what, the 30 or so with the seconds ticking down. McK decides to juke / dance at the CB for 2-3 more yards rather than try to go out of bounds or just hit the turf and give up the tackle in exchange for what was about 4-5 seconds. We tried to line up for another snap, time JUST ran out before the snap, and Ken Dorsey became a meme throwing his stuff around in the booth in a rage. They didn’t say anything in the presser or anything, but McK cost us a FG attempt to win it (we lost 21-19) that is very makable for Bass. I don’t remember him owning up to it and I don’t think he saw his juking in that moment as a / the problem. Situational awareness just isn’t there. Via con dios, Isaiah. Plus, one of the reasons Josh caught flak for being a red zone turnover machine was hitting McK in the chest with a pass only for it to become an INT. I love him and am sad to see him go, but he developed a slight habit of failing in the clutch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: Clearly... my point is everyone thinks Flowers/Downs are slot only too (built similar to Jahan). Both these guys can move around on offense, but best suited at slot in our offense. But if we’re looking for a slot guy we don’t need to spend a 1st. That’s the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: Plus, one of the reasons Josh caught flak for being a red zone turnover machine was hitting McK in the chest with a pass only for it to become an INT. I love him and am sad to see him go, but he developed a slight habit of failing in the clutch. Oh I forgot all about that one, which at the time was a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: Solid player. He was very effective in Daboll system. Ken Dorsey didn’t know how to use him. Did Dorsey cause his catch percentage to go from 77% in 2021 to 64% in 2022? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McKeIs00.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 appreciate the kids efforts. he was a good team mate and wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Doesn’t matter. There were many times during the season I wanted McKenzie cut, glad we have moved on. Thats nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: But if we’re looking for a slot guy we don’t need to spend a 1st. That’s the point. We need a guy who can make this offense better, gives Diggs and Gabe less bracket coverage (especially Stefon). I'd call that pretty valuable, and we struggled very badly with our short passing game at the end of LY, that we brought Bease out of retirement. Downs and Flowers both give that ability, mainly by projecting as top-end slot options. But they aren't relegated to that role, just what will improve our offense the most...IMO. Drafting another Shakir in the mid rounds does nothing IMO. He doesn't threaten a defense, change how teams defend us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Now trade for Jeudy, sign Zeke, and LETS GOOOOOO Zeke...🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Zeke...🤣 Tell me our better option for when we get inside the 5 yard line and absolutely stall. Dude isnt what he used to be, but he's a powerhouse who knows how to get in the end zone. That's all that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: We need a guy who can make this offense better, gives Diggs and Gabe less bracket coverage (especially Stefon). I'd call that pretty valuable, and we struggled very badly with our short passing game at the end of LY, that we brought Bease out of retirement. Downs and Flowers both give that ability, mainly by projecting as top-end slot options. But they aren't relegated to that role, just what will improve our offense the most...IMO. Drafting another Shakir in the mid rounds does nothing IMO. He doesn't threaten a defense, change how teams defend us. More consistent offense. Hard to improve an offense that produces like ours. We were inconsistent in games. More individual play makers should help but I wouldn’t expect that out this draft at pick 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What was the game when he without getting touched just dropped the ball on a return which turned the momentum 100% in the game and we ended up getting beat? Probably the home loss to Indianapolis on 11/21/21. Bills defense made a stop late in the 2nd quarter and Indy kicked a FG to make it 17-7. McKenzie fumbled the ensuing KO back to the Colts who scored a couple players later to go into the half up 24-7. Buffalo lost 41-15. Edited March 17, 2023 by BillsVet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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