Process Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I mean it's February 7 and he's breathing. Was that the condition? Don't know what else could have been met. He barely played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: White 27 Allen 7 Edmunds 16 Oliver 10 Diggs sort of 22 Rousseau 30 Elam 23 White - Yes Allen - Yes Edmunds - Yes, but need more splash plays Oliver - Average, not an impact player Diggs - (trade) Yes Rousseau - TBD, but not an impact guy through 2 years Elam - TBD, but McDermott refused to play him despite him playing well when called upon Gotta do better than that to keep pace. Can't be missing on Oliver, Epenesa, Basham and taking guys like Bernard and Elam who barely play their rookie years. Edited February 7, 2023 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I wondered about that. I saw a 7 round mock draft today, and Buffalo's high 5th round pick was missing. I didn't drop down to the 6th, so I didn't know they had picked up a 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, SCBills said: White - Yes Allen - Yes Edmunds - Yes, but need more splash plays Oliver - Average, not an impact player Diggs - (trade) Yes Rousseau - TBD, but not an impact guy through 2 years Elam - TBD, but McDermott refused to play him despite him playing well when called upon Gotta do better than that to keep pace. Can't be missing on Oliver, Epenesa, Basham and taking guys like Bernard and Elam who barely play their rookie years. Keep pace? If so it should be easy to find 10 or so teams with a better batch of first rounders since 2017 but no one has even bothered to try. I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Why are you willing to give Basham another year and not Epenesa? Epenesa is a year younger than Boogie...........and basically tripled his sack production and had twice the QB hits, forced a couple fumbles and did it all lining up against LT's. Basham was an over-ripe prospect and his slow start should be quite discouraging. I'm not happy with Epenesa and he's entering his walk year and given his slow development I find it hard to envision him having a place going forward whether he puts up 2 sacks or 20 next season..........but at this point Boogie is a "surprise cut" kinda' candidate. Good post ... except for the "2 or 20" thing. With the caveat that I'm NOT saying that chances are good that we've got a Hassan Reddick on our hands, check out Reddick's leap between years 3 and 4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm. I wanted to sign Reddick (as you may recall), but I remember replies to the effect that he was a one-year wonder. Epenesa HAS improved, and if he gets, say, 11-12 sacks next season, the Bills will have an interesting problem on their hands. Because he will get paid if that happens. Not saying it will! Interesting that AZ chose to pay JJ Watt over Reddick in 2021. But AZ is a bad franchise. Edited February 7, 2023 by dave mcbride 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: Yeah a trade down at some point seems imminent this year. With our cap situation and expiring contracts, we need an influx of young cheap talent. I'd love 8 or 9 picks in this draft. One of the reasons so many rookies played for the chiefs this season, besides excellent coaching, is that the team lacked depth. I think that will have to be the Bills next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Keep pace? If so it should be easy to find 10 or so teams with a better batch of first rounders since 2017 but no one has even bothered to try. I wonder why. Because no one is really making that argument. Beane is, justifiably, being called out for his Day 2 picks. That said.. Oliver was a big miss. Edmunds is an enigma. Allen and Diggs, sure. Rousseau and Elam.. too soon to tell. Edited February 7, 2023 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Good post ... except for the "2 or 20" thing. With the caveat that I'm NOT saying that chances are good that we've got a Hassan Reddick on our hands, check out Reddick's leap between years 3 and 4: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm. I wanted to sign Reddick (as you may recall), but I remember replies to the effect that he was a one-year wonder. Epenesa HAS improved, and if he gets, say, 11-12 sacks next season, the Bills will have an interesting problem on their hands. Because he will get paid if that happens. Not saying it will! Interesting that AZ chose to pay JJ Watt over Reddick in 2021. But AZ is a bad franchise. Yeah I loved Reddick as well........he was often mentioned as a trade or cut candidate in Arizona and it always intrigued me because the guy can get to the QB..........when you have a player like that you put him in position to succeed and naturally, a smart organization did. The thing is.........if Epenesa breaks out he will get PAID.........there will be no "tweener" discount like Reddick had to take because AJE has ideal size/length for a 4-3 NFL DE........and I can't see the Bills affording that in 2024. The best scenario was for him to break out this season while the Bills still had some contract leverage and so that he figured into decision making ahead of spending on Edmunds/Poyer. I think they will try to find $30M to spend($50M in cap adjustments) this offseason on UFA's and draft picks and that they aren't budgeting in either Ed Oliver or Epenesa. Either way I think those 2 are gone. Their next big ticket home grown target is probably trying to get Rousseau locked up in the 2025 offseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, SCBills said: Because no one is really making that argument. Beane is, justifiably, being called out for his Day 2 picks. That said.. Oliver was a big miss. Edmunds is an enigma. Allen and Diggs, sure. Rousseau and Elam.. too soon to tell. Actually people are making the argument that Beane has drafted poorly. I’ve included examples of his first round picks and objective info about the aggregate of his picks. Now we’ve shifted to 2nd round only. Why not isolate it to left handed blue eyed players from conferences that have a school that starts with Q in them? Maybe you can build a case on that. Still absent is a comparison to ANY other organization’s picks since 2017 in the first, first plus second, or overall. If Beane is so bad, these comparisons should be exceedingly easy but…..crickets. And if Beane is bad…..or even below average, you should be able to find 19 of them since that is our average draft slot over that period. Calling Oliver a “big miss” is also a joke BTW, but even if it weren’t, that’s all you can come up with in 6 years worth of first round picks? Have any other teams had “big misses” in the first round over the last 6 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Actually people are making the argument that Beane has drafted poorly. I’ve included examples of his first round picks and objective info about the aggregate of his picks. Now we’ve shifted to 2nd round only. Why not isolate it to left handed blue eyed players from conferences that have a school that starts with Q in them? Maybe you can build a case on that. Still absent is a comparison to ANY other organization’s picks since 2017 in the first, first plus second, or overall. If Beane is so bad, these comparisons should be exceedingly easy but…..crickets. And if Beane is bad…..or even below average, you should be able to find 19 of them since that is our average draft slot over that period. Calling Oliver a “big miss” is also a joke BTW, but even if it weren’t, that’s all you can come up with in 6 years worth of first round picks? Have any other teams had “big misses” in the first round over the last 6 years? At the end of the day, he drafted Josh Allen, which means he got the biggest of all big things 100 percent right and wasn't even remotely close to being in position to land him at the start of that draft cycle (before trades). He's drafted some good players and some meh players like all GMs. Oliver is the only shaky first round pick because the DTs taken behind him in the first are generally better. But he's not bad. Allen, Edmunds, Diggs (yes, I will always treat him as a first round pick because we spent an actual first round pick to get him), and Rousseau are all good, and the jury is out on Elam. Edited February 7, 2023 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Never liked the word ‘conditional’ allowed as a negotiation term. Might as well say ‘maybe’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 "no longer have 2 fifths but one fifth" ...my mind went immediately to liquor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Hines has 5th round value IMO. Stabilizes the return man position plus he adds big play potential. Can also play real snaps at RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, boater said: "no longer have 2 fifths but one fifth" ...my mind went immediately to liquor. …..and now my mind feels a need to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 32 minutes ago, In Summary said: Can also play real snaps at RB. As a Colt, yes. As a Bill, not so sure. McD and Dorsey acted otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, In Summary said: Hines has 5th round value IMO. Stabilizes the return man position plus he adds big play potential. Can also play real snaps at RB. Totally true, but the issue is that he's EXTREMELY expensive salary cap-wise for a fifth rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I’m just glad this didn’t turn out to be a math problem. Common denominators were never my thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: At the end of the day, he drafted Josh Allen, which means he got the biggest of all big things 100 percent right and wasn't even remotely close to being in position to land him at the start of that draft cycle (before trades). He's drafted some good players and some meh players like all GMs. Oliver is the only shaky first round pick because the DTs taken behind him in the first are generally better. But he's not bad. Allen, Edmunds, Diggs (yes, I will always treat him as a first round pick because we spent an actual first round pick to get him), and Rousseau are all good, and the jury is out on Elam. I wouldn't even say the jury is out on Elam. That guy can cover receivers. He'll only get better. It wouldn't surprise me if he was our best corner in '23, though I expect Tre to get back to form. I think our secondary in general could be one of the top units in the league. But, I do tend to lean homer. So, there's that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Success said: I wouldn't even say the jury is out on Elam. That guy can cover receivers. He'll only get better. It wouldn't surprise me if he was our best corner in '23, though I expect Tre to get back to form. I think our secondary in general could be one of the top units in the league. But, I do tend to lean homer. So, there's that. Well, he played great in a playoff game, so that's something that sticks with me. Granted, it was vs. a total scrub, but still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 hours ago, uticaclub said: His draft record I agree our cap situation is not ideal, but do you have any confidence that we hit big on any draft picks? I have more faith in Beane than you do. His draft record has spotty, but let's hope he hits a few home runs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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