JohnNord Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Not sure who this YouTuber is, but he out out an excellent video about the problems with Buffalo this year - It’s not not ideal to have almost $80M tied up in QB/WR/DE. To make it work, you need to hit on the supplemental pieces. The Bills did a poor job of that. WR2 Problem - Gabe Davis drops way too many passes to be a reliable WR2. Davis caught up 50% of short passes and the majority of his yardage came in 3 games this season. He pinned a lot of the issues on offense directly on Gabe Offensive Line: Brown did not play well this year and Saffold was horrible. This is an area that needs to be improved. Von Miller: Says to make this contract guarantees work, Bills need to win a Super Bowl early - year 2 or 3. Von will not finish this contract and is likely out after year 3. Very concerned with how a 34 year can play coming off a second ACL. Improvements: - WR2 - OL - RB (replacing Singletary) - DL 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 20 hours ago, JohnNord said: Not sure who this YouTuber is, but he out out an excellent video about the problems with Buffalo this year - It’s not not ideal to have almost $80M tied up in QB/WR/DE. To make it work, you need to hit on the supplemental pieces. The Bills did a poor job of that. WR2 Problem - Gabe Davis drops way too many passes to be a reliable WR2. Davis caught up 50% of short passes and the majority of his yardage came in 3 games this season. He pinned a lot of the issues on offense directly on Gabe Offensive Line: Brown did not play well this year and Saffold was horrible. This is an area that needs to be improved. Von Miller: Says to make this contract guarantees work, Bills need to win a Super Bowl early - year 2 or 3. Von will not finish this contract and is likely out after year 3. Very concerned with how a 34 year can play coming off a second ACL. Improvements: - WR2 - OL - RB (replacing Singletary) - DL I agree with a lot that you said but you actually have to use the supplemental picks first in order to see if they are going to work out & then i have heard that because of Spencer Browns back problem in OTA's & the preseason set him back this year so i hope next year will be different for him . I do believe that we need a bigger RB some one here mentioned a kid from Texas i believe that would fit the bill he's 6' 220lbs and had some mad skills in college the Bills have passed on some good ones the past couple of years in Brian Johnson Jr. i really wanted the Bills to get him last year & AJ Dillon was another favorite of mine coming out . Moss IMHO was a total waste of a pick Gabe i believe will work on being better but O line needs a upgrade man wouldn't it have been nice if they would have kept Teller instead of going the way they did !! Beane is smart i think he will get ur done to this point he has done pretty good i'd say but he has missed on a few . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Von may not even make it to 2 or 3. We have to see how long it takes for him to come back, and what he looks like when he comes back. Add another 6 months after that before he's close to being what he was, most likely. He was a "push us over the top NOW" signing, and it didn't work. They may already be working on getting out of his K. They should be doing the same with Knox--another mistake from Beane. 1 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Von may not even make it to 2 or 3. We have to see how long it takes for him to come back, and what he looks like when he comes back. Add another 6 months after that before he's close to being what he was, most likely. He was a "push us over the top NOW" signing, and it didn't work. They may already be working on getting out of his K. They should be doing the same with Knox--another mistake from Beane. No way should they be getting out of the Knox deal. They should be getting him the ball more. That is on Josh and Dorsey. 8 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Few arguments here. OL is first priority replacing Saffold and Brown. Spencer can be depth and hopefully rarely needed. Gabe should be considered a WR3 for his last 2 years. Draft your WR2 in April. I also agree Von is likely only playing 2 more years with the Bills. We needed him that first year and it blew up in our faces. We have to stop wasting money on STers. Find 11 minimum salary guys and throw them out there. And yes find a TE2 that can block so it frees up Knox to get targets. Spend Tremaine's $ on OL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Gabe’s drops did seem particularly back breaking. They seemed to take the air out of the offense at the worst time. But if your D Coordinator and Head Coach are allowed to choke without repercussion, I assume Gabe will remain the #2 WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Good video. Seeing that Gabe's short-pass catch % is only 50% is damning. These are not deep balls but short passes where his peers far, far outperform him. Didn't remember that Brown only allowed one sack the year before; makes me wonder if possibly (not counting on it and we need competition there as Beane acknowledged) if his back issues were a huge factor and if he can overcome them. Again, not banking on it. I believe if anyone can come back at 34 from a torn ACL and be great, or even very good, it's Miller. The video is nothing new per se but a good summary of what's concerning and what needs to be addressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Not that we had much of a shot in the Bengals game given the lifeless performance, but his drop down the sideline effectively ended the game. RB will simply be upgraded when Cook becomes RB1. I don't even want to offer Singletary a contract... I'm beyond sick of the good/not-great players on this team eating up so much cap space and investment. Edited February 1 by SCBills 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not that we had much of a shot in the Bengals game given the lifeless performance, but his drop down the sideline effectively ended the game. RB will simply be upgraded when Cook becomes RB1. I don't even want to offer Singletary a contract... I'm beyond sick of the good/not-great players on this team eating up so much cap space and investment. There's so many free agent running backs - there will be a player of similar quality in the 2-4M range. Barkley Jacobs Sanders Williams Pollard Foreman Wilson Mostert Montgomery Murray Drake Harris Hunt Perine Mckinnon 10 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Good video. Seeing that Gabe's short-pass catch % is only 50% is damning. These are not deep balls but short passes where his peers far, far outperform him. Didn't remember that Brown only allowed one sack the year before; makes me wonder if possibly (not counting on it and we need competition there as Beane acknowledged) if his back issues were a huge factor and if he can overcome them. Again, not banking on it. I believe if anyone can come back at 34 from a torn ACL and be great, or even very good, it's Miller. The video is nothing new per se but a good summary of what's concerning and what needs to be addressed. Allen needs to work on his back shoulder throws if he wants to use davis better. He's money on the post, he taps the sideline really well usually. Not quick enough to get open on short stuff, so you almost have to use him as a blocker or deep threat. Brown was literally not getting hands on people coming around the edge. Too slow off the snap, and just absolutely brutal against speed. Miller - im oddly not too worried about him. I think he comes back on his time, and we don't use him a ton til playoff time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am the egg man Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Boy, all these mmqb experts coming out of the woodwork to offer there insight for the Bills season ending stumble. Amazing how knowledgeable they are after the fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: No way should they be getting out of the Knox deal. They should be getting him the ball more. That is on Josh and Dorsey. It's also on Beane to improve the O Line, so Knox doesn't have to be part of that unit so much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBelcher Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Von may not even make it to 2 or 3. We have to see how long it takes for him to come back, and what he looks like when he comes back. Add another 6 months after that before he's close to being what he was, most likely. He was a "push us over the top NOW" signing, and it didn't work. They may already be working on getting out of his K. They should be doing the same with Knox--another mistake from Beane. I mean the unfortunate part is, Von was EVERYTHING we had hoped he would be prior to his injury. So can you really blame anyone when it “didn’t work” because of injury? Chiefs don’t get to the Super Bowl without Chris Jones, but of course! These things never happen to KC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Gabe’s drops did seem particularly back breaking. They seemed to take the air out of the offense at the worst time. But if your D Coordinator and Head Coach are allowed to choke without repercussion, I assume Gabe will remain the #2 WR. it’s not just drops- it seems to be route running etc… likely culminating in even more missed opportunities for a large bodied WR2 how often is he well positioned and either finding throwable soft spots or properly boxing out defenders on contested catches? 10 minutes ago, BobBelcher said: I mean the unfortunate part is, Von was EVERYTHING we had hoped he would be prior to his injury. So can you really blame anyone when it “didn’t work” because of injury? Chiefs don’t get to the Super Bowl without Chris Jones, but of course! These things never happen to KC. though I’ve said it before and will say it again- they were a year, if not two years, late pushing the chips on the table. You have to be all in nearly immediately with a highly drafted qb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: We have to stop wasting money on STers. Find 11 minimum salary guys and throw them out there. And yes find a TE2 that can block so it frees up Knox to get targets. Spend Tremaine's $ on OL. this! maybe keep 1 teams vet to lead the room but everything else is spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 22 hours ago, JohnNord said: Not sure who this YouTuber is, but he out out an excellent video about the problems with Buffalo this year - It’s not not ideal to have almost $80M tied up in QB/WR/DE. To make it work, you need to hit on the supplemental pieces. The Bills did a poor job of that. WR2 Problem - Gabe Davis drops way too many passes to be a reliable WR2. Davis caught up 50% of short passes and the majority of his yardage came in 3 games this season. He pinned a lot of the issues on offense directly on Gabe Offensive Line: Brown did not play well this year and Saffold was horrible. This is an area that needs to be improved. Von Miller: Says to make this contract guarantees work, Bills need to win a Super Bowl early - year 2 or 3. Von will not finish this contract and is likely out after year 3. Very concerned with how a 34 year can play coming off a second ACL. Improvements: - WR2 - OL - RB (replacing Singletary) - DL Brandon Beane and his staff have to draft better. I see the Bills as a team that has plateaued. Allen is not getting much better, he's had 3-years about the same production. He's 4000 yards, 35 TDs, 12-15 Interceptions a year, 500-700 yards rushing, 6-8 TDs. Since Stefon Diggs, the Bills have not acquired an A-player. 1. Stefon Diggs - A 2. A.J. Epensa - D 3. Zack Moss - F 4. Gabe Davis - B 5. Jake Fromm - F 6. Tyler Bass - A 6. Isaiah Hodgins - F 7. Dane Jackson - B 5 Offense, 2 Defense, 1 Special Teams 2021 1. Greg Rousseau - C 2. Boogie Basham - D 3. Spencer Brown - C 5. Tommy Doyle - F 6. Marquez Stevenson - F 6. Damar Hamlin - C 6. Rachad Wildgoose - F 7. Jack Anderson - F 4 Offense, 4 Defense 2022 1. Kaiir Elam - C 2. James Cook - C 3. Terrel Bernard - F 5. Kahlil Shakir - C 6. Matt Araiza - F 6. Christian Benford - C 6. Luke Tenuta - F 7. Baylor Spector - F 3 Offense, 4 Defense, 1 Special Teams 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Von may not even make it to 2 or 3. We have to see how long it takes for him to come back, and what he looks like when he comes back. Add another 6 months after that before he's close to being what he was, most likely. He was a "push us over the top NOW" signing, and it didn't work. They may already be working on getting out of his K. They should be doing the same with Knox--another mistake from Beane. I honestly think he'll be fine, relatively speaking. He had a pretty clean tear with no damage to other ligaments from what I've read, and he bounced back quickly last time. Lots of elite DEs have been strong producers into their mid 30s. 48 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: There's so many free agent running backs - there will be a player of similar quality in the 2-4M range. Barkley Jacobs Sanders Williams Pollard Foreman Wilson Mostert Montgomery Murray Drake Harris Hunt Perine Mckinnon Allen needs to work on his back shoulder throws if he wants to use davis better. He's money on the post, he taps the sideline really well usually. Not quick enough to get open on short stuff, so you almost have to use him as a blocker or deep threat. Brown was literally not getting hands on people coming around the edge. Too slow off the snap, and just absolutely brutal against speed. Miller - im oddly not too worried about him. I think he comes back on his time, and we don't use him a ton til playoff time. All of this rings true to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Sorry, I don't think I'll ever get outa stage-2. Edited February 1 by Fleezoid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Having had time to digest the end of the season, I tend to agree with some of the points made in the video. But I disagree with others. 1. The drafting has been inferior, both in terms of allocation of picks (a lot of DE, and a lot of emphasis on the D side of the ball in general) and return on investment (AJ, Boogie, Terrell Bernard, etc.). 2. The best course is probably to model what the Chiefs have done. We have the biggest piece to the puzzle (elite QB). So the path forward isn’t to overspend on perimeter pieces. There’s maybe one of those luxury items (Diggs is our Kelce). The rest is speed, or middle class FAs. 3. Got a franchise QB? Protect him. The Chiefs spent big on Orlando Brown and Joe Thuney. Protect Allen and he’ll have time to push the ball to Diggs, Knox, Cook, etc. 4. It’s OK to have a big ticket guy on the DL. I think the Chiefs are happy with Chris Jones. We’re in the same spot with Miller. 5. The difference between the Chiefs and us is that we have a lot of money tied up in players distant from the ball (Hyde, White, Milano), and some of them have aged poorly (White, perhaps Hyde). So what’s the path forward? Double down on Josh, draft speed, and get way more aggressive both defensively (maybe a bit of press coverage here and there?) and offensively (play with pace, run more plays, a little creativity). Having thought it through, I question whether we should spend huge on Edmunds. I don’t know how he would be replaced, which is an issue, and it may require us to splurge for him. But otherwise, Poyer is history unless he comes back cheaply, White is probably in his last year here, Hyde is getting near that territory, and Davis is probably near the end of his time here unless he improves at such things as catching the football. So is Oliver, non-statistical contributions be damned. If we’re going to ride it out with the coordinators, it’s time to get aggressive, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. And no more Terrell Bernard picks, please. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 1/31/2023 at 2:40 PM, JohnNord said: WR2 Problem - Gabe Davis drops way too many passes to be a reliable WR2. Davis caught up 50% of short passes and the majority of his yardage came in 3 games this season. He pinned a lot of the issues on offense directly on Gabe Joe Marino had the same basic opinion of Gabe, and did pin a lot of the Bills overall problems on having Gabe run way too many routes he's simply not effective at. He pointed this out as a major problem on Offense and a big part of why the Bills struggled after the bye... He did not pin it all on Gabe. He said scheme and the inability to dial up plays for easy yards was also a major problem. But some of those plays may have been designed for Gabe, and he was unable to get open. Or if he did he dropped it. It's Joe's feeling that Gabe has limitations, and WR2 is too much to ask. Not that he can't improve, but getting a more qualified WR2, and moving Gabe back to what he did before 2022, is the easiest way to fix the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Gabe’s drops did seem particularly back breaking. They seemed to take the air out of the offense at the worst time. But if your D Coordinator and Head Coach are allowed to choke without repercussion, I assume Gabe will remain the #2 WR. He dropped 9 passes in 17 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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