IronyAbounds Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Taking a break from worrying about next year, it's amusing to see how times and the game have changed in the NFL: Stats for a well known QB in a season long ago (in a 14 game season): Completions: 179 Attempts: 391 % Completion: 45.8 Yards: 2368 TDs:10 Int: 18 Rating: 54.8 In today's game that QB wouldn't even be able to make a team's practice squad. In 1965 it got Jack Kemp Player of the Year award. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said: Taking a break from worrying about next year, it's amusing to see how times and the game have changed in the NFL: Stats for a well known QB in a season long ago (in a 14 game season): Completions: 179 Attempts: 391 % Completion: 45.8 Yards: 2368 TDs:10 Int: 18 Rating: 54.8 In today's game that QB wouldn't even be able to make a team's practice squad. In 1965 it got Jack Kemp Player of the Year award. Old QB stats are interesting. You don't even have to go back to the 60's. Roger Staubach only had an over 60% completion percentage one time in 10 years. That year, he only had 286 attempts for 2,428 yards. Terry Bradshaw never cleared 60% completions. These guys were the two best QBs of the 70's. Dan Fouts is the only guy from the 70's whose numbers look remotely modern, but Derek Carr has better numbers than he did. Joe Montana was the first guy to have modern QB stats and he never threw for more than 4,000 yards. Mahomes has never had fewer than 4,000 in a season that he started and has thrown for more than 5,000 twice in his career. Different game, indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Defenses got away with a lot more in those days. But fans like to see shootouts and good QBs are hard to find, so the rules were changed to favor the offense and to protect the QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Back then a good CB like Robert James would never let a receiver get off the line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I love the evolution of the QB Position. We dont even have to go back that far. Lets look at '91 (Probably Kellys BEST year) His Numbers and where that would rank in the 2022 Season. Attempts - 474 (14th) - Just Above Daniel Jones Completions - 304 (15th) - Just Above Davis Mills Comp % - 64.1% (24th) - Above Josh Allen Yards - 3844 (9th) - Above Jalen Hurts TDs - 33 (4th) - Above Geno Smith INTs - 17 (1st) - Led the league this year by 2 picks Rating - 97.6 (7th) - Above Josh Allen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 hours ago, WhoTom said: Defenses got away with a lot more in those days. But fans like to see shootouts and good QBs are hard to find, so the rules were changed to favor the offense and to protect the QBs. Every modern rule change in the last 10-15 years has drastically benefited the offense. You can't breathe on the qb anymore. You can't hardly touch wrs. Why do you think there are fewer defensive HC's than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Back in the old days you could cream the QB mercilessly and mug the receivers all the way down the field until the ball was in the air. OL could not extend their arms for blocking. These are some of the significant rules that limited the effectiveness of the passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 15 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Every modern rule change in the last 10-15 years has drastically benefited the offense. You can't breathe on the qb anymore. You can't hardly touch wrs. Why do you think there are fewer defensive HC's than ever. Except for the catch rule. The old catch rule the reciever only had to have two feet down while possessing the ball for a microsecond. If the old catch rule were reinstated in today's NFL, the results would be off the charts. Although it also resulted in a ton more fumbles that today would be ruled incomplete. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Except for the catch rule. The old catch rule the reciever only had to have two feet down while possessing the ball for a microsecond. If the old catch rule were reinstated in today's NFL, the results would be off the charts. Although it also resulted in a ton more fumbles that today would be ruled incomplete. I agree with this 100%. Nowadays a guy makes a freakin' spectacular catch and one square micron of the ball touches a single blade of grass and it's a no catch. That's BS. That's not what fans want to see, and it slows the game down with all the reviews. Just give it to the guy. 17 hours ago, Old Coot said: Back in the old days you could cream the QB mercilessly and mug the receivers all the way down the field until the ball was in the air. OL could not extend their arms for blocking. These are some of the significant rules that limited the effectiveness of the passing game. I agree with this too. How many times in the old days did a DL pull his arms back making a tackle to make sure every pound of his body landed squarely on the QB? I'M FEELING AGREEABLE TODAY! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) Back in those days the only thing a DB couldn't do to a WR was shoot him in the knee with a pistol. Edited January 28, 2023 by Buffalo ill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 23 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: Old QB stats are interesting. You don't even have to go back to the 60's. Roger Staubach only had an over 60% completion percentage one time in 10 years. That year, he only had 286 attempts for 2,428 yards. Terry Bradshaw never cleared 60% completions. These guys were the two best QBs of the 70's. Dan Fouts is the only guy from the 70's whose numbers look remotely modern, but Derek Carr has better numbers than he did. Joe Montana was the first guy to have modern QB stats and he never threw for more than 4,000 yards. Mahomes has never had fewer than 4,000 in a season that he started and has thrown for more than 5,000 twice in his career. Different game, indeed. Marino in 83 throwing for over 5,000yds and 53 TDs would be like someone throwing for 7k and 70tds in this generation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Hall of Famer Joe Namath's rookie year was the only season in his 13-year career in which the threw more TDs than INTs. 220 career INTs to 173 TDs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanderPoke Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Very interesting. BTW. Has anyone ever put on a pair of those gloves the receivers wear? You can't help but not catch the ball with those babies. I bet this boosts completion % by a percentage point or two. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 19 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I love the evolution of the QB Position. We dont even have to go back that far. Lets look at '91 (Probably Kellys BEST year) His Numbers and where that would rank in the 2022 Season. Attempts - 474 (14th) - Just Above Daniel Jones Completions - 304 (15th) - Just Above Davis Mills Comp % - 64.1% (24th) - Above Josh Allen Yards - 3844 (9th) - Above Jalen Hurts TDs - 33 (4th) - Above Geno Smith INTs - 17 (1st) - Led the league this year by 2 picks Rating - 97.6 (7th) - Above Josh Allen Small point, but he was also hurt for a game or 2 that season, or else he would’ve also likely cleared the 4K yardage total, fwiw. 7 minutes ago, LanderPoke said: Very interesting. BTW. Has anyone ever put on a pair of those gloves the receivers wear? You can't help but not catch the ball with those babies. I bet this boosts completion % by a percentage point or two. Seriously. Ah, so Gabe went au natural this season, yes? 🤔 😅I kid, I kid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 IMO a lot of those older guys who were great players would also put up bigger numbers today. With better WR, better offensive schemes, all the rules that tilt toward offense it's almost a certainty. Watching old games, if you had a 10 point lead with 8:00 to go in the 4th quarter the game was basically over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 23 hours ago, IronyAbounds said: Taking a break from worrying about next year, it's amusing to see how times and the game have changed in the NFL: Stats for a well known QB in a season long ago (in a 14 game season): Completions: 179 Attempts: 391 % Completion: 45.8 Yards: 2368 TDs:10 Int: 18 Rating: 54.8 In today's game that QB wouldn't even be able to make a team's practice squad. In 1965 it got Jack Kemp Player of the Year award. In 1919 the NFL didn't even exist! Times are changing fast, its hard to keep up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: IMO a lot of those older guys who were great players would also put up bigger numbers today. With better WR, better offensive schemes, all the rules that tilt toward offense it's almost a certainty. Watching old games, if you had a 10 point lead with 8:00 to go in the 4th quarter the game was basically over. Unless you were playing the Broncos with Elway at QB. No lead seemed safe if your team was playing Denver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 hours ago, 947 said: Hall of Famer Joe Namath's rookie year was the only season in his 13-year career in which the threw more TDs than INTs. 220 career INTs to 173 TDs. He also lost more games than he won. He was overrated. 22 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I love the evolution of the QB Position. We dont even have to go back that far. Lets look at '91 (Probably Kellys BEST year) His Numbers and where that would rank in the 2022 Season. Attempts - 474 (14th) - Just Above Daniel Jones Completions - 304 (15th) - Just Above Davis Mills Comp % - 64.1% (24th) - Above Josh Allen Yards - 3844 (9th) - Above Jalen Hurts TDs - 33 (4th) - Above Geno Smith INTs - 17 (1st) - Led the league this year by 2 picks Rating - 97.6 (7th) - Above Josh Allen That's pretty good, honestly. Top 5 in TD's and top 10 in yards. The only thing amiss is that high INT number. The 90's were the sweet spot in the NFL. Defenses could still play, but you still had a ton of good offenses, legendary QB's, great running backs. Teams put up points, but you also had defensive struggles. I think the game was better back then, but it was also less safe for the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Unless you were playing the Broncos with Elway at QB. No lead seemed safe if your team was playing Denver. Or Unitas with the BALTIMORE Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) On 1/26/2023 at 4:50 PM, nucci said: Back then a good CB like Robert James would never let a receiver get off the line. Also back aways cbs had hands covered with stickem so they didn't need to learn to catch. Edited January 28, 2023 by AuntieEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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