Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: To beguile you with my mastery of the obvious, before we run to the "next Bill up" or the "the younglings have to fly on their own", please note the sole reason this man was brought in, at 33, for 20 million per, with about 60 million guaranteed was to get this team to a Super Bowl. ...along with himself and not as a cheerleader. I think this team is great without him and they may still go, but this is literally crushing. I'll say it again...given the position he plays, his age, and the stress on the lower body getting to the QB this just seemed inevitable. However, how I would love to see the Bills win a SB without any hired guns to help pull them over the top. It would be sweet. GO BILLS! There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: Yes and last year our defense and lack of pass rush let us down for a 3rd straight playoff season. Groot & Ed are going to have to do the heavy lifting. The playoff game and it’s fateful ending have been well documented , but can’t be pinned on pass rush. Heck they only rushed 3 and probably shouldn’t have even done that. Playoff games are going to be close and that’s why they pay Allen. CIN won by a FG just like the Bills would have had they employed their strategy properly. Last years gameeans nothing to this years and we can’t cry over injuries. Yes step up make plays and secure the #1 seed. That could be the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. All things considered, Von has been pretty durable. Some precaution to get a healthy Von back next season is the smart play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I know Groot will come to play. What I don't know is if any of the other DL will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. I disagree in the sense all of these injuries to some degree or another eventually are "overuse" injuries. The reason why these were very uncommon back in the days is because players didn't spend all off-season training and working out and running drills, etc. All of that puts additional stress on these parts of the body. Like a car tire that only gets so many miles, these parts of the body do the same. Each person is different and nobody knows for sure how many miles theirs has, but the more you workout and the more additional stress you put on it, the more likely it is at some point to require replacement/repair. So from the standpoint of nobody knowing when it's going to happen, yes, it's bad luck. From a standpoint of the injury itself, like anything else, continuous overuse makes it more likely it is going to happen at some point, just don't know what that point is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 This injury sucks so bad. Not only for this season but next year. z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Given his age and all he has already accomplished over his career, wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires, and that may be the best case scenario for the Bills, save some money and move on with another plan Edited December 7, 2022 by billybob71 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: He wont have a choice. Settlements happen every year no matter the size of the contract. Von will not have a choice but to settle on an agreement. THATS how this works. Wow. That is ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ComradeKayAdams said: How so? 2023 season: $18.705 million cap hit 2024 season: $21.205 million cap hit OPTION: Cut Von Miller on June 1, 2025 2025 season: $3.705 million cap hit 2026 season: $3.705 million cap hit 2027 season: $0.0 million cap hit Trust the process. Brandon Beane knows what he's doing. There is one downside, if they want to free up money next year, they would have to convert his roster bonus to signing bonus to kick the can down the road further. So in theory they could free up ~10M of cap space, by converting that to signing bonus and add about 2.6M to the cap every year there after. So 2024 gets uglier and you pay for it longer down the road. All doable and at this point probable, you need to add somebody to make up for his presence next year and a #2 WR will have to be paid. Not to mention Edmunds has to be paid or replaced, though he already has a healthy cap hit, so that’s not going to be a big bump there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 A tough blow but I do think the Bills DE group is good enough to win with. Groot is a really good player and Boogie and AJ have stepped it up and Shaq is having a nice rebound season. Next man up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 What a bummer. Doesn’t mean the quest is over - not even close - but it undeniably lowers our ceiling, and frankly it just sucks. Why can’t we catch an effing break one of these years????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) It’s so frustrating because it’s such a waste of cap space next year as well. Now we have a 34 year old coming off an ACL that won’t return until midseason. Such a gut punch. This was a Dance with the Devil contract and we’re going to pay a huge price. Edited December 7, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cash said: What a bummer. Doesn’t mean the quest is over - not even close - but it undeniably lowers our ceiling, and frankly it just sucks. Why can’t we catch an effing break one of these years????? If they can hang on to the #1 seed that they hold in part due to Vons play @ KC they will have caught a pretty big break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, billybob71 said: Given his age and all he has already accomplished over his career, wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires, and that may be the best case scenario for the Bills, save some money and move on with another plan I’d be SHOCKED (and disappointed) if Von walked away from all that money. I don’t see that happening at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yes and last year our defense and lack of pass rush let us down for a 3rd straight playoff season. Groot & Ed are going to have to do the heavy lifting. That is what good coaching does. Scheme with what we have. Whether its blitzing safety's, CB's LB's, we will just have to manufacture pressure. As long as we have #17 we should be the favorite to win it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: There is nothing inevitable abut tearing your ACL related to age, position, or how he plays. That makes no sense. White tore his in a noncontact injury and Miller tore his with contact. It's just bad luck. Do you watch the way a modern edge rusher plays? That is not a knock on you at all and not a question, because I know you do. I'm just stating that the absolute stress undergone in some of the motions, and even the pivot change of directions, is tremendous. I didn't bring up Tre's injury, you did. I am not saying that they are all the same or even that they happen the same way. We have seen too many instances, otherwise. I also know the way Von's injury happened didn't occur exactly given my concerns. However, those were my concerns, especially with a guy as dominating and fast as Von. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Groot will be steady but then there's a big drop off to AJE, Boogie & Shaq. This really sucks. Yea and now offenses can key in on Oliver as well. Von was getting doubled alot but I'm optimistic these boys can get it done. I think Daquan Jones is very underrated piece to this DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, Augie said: I’d be SHOCKED (and disappointed) if Von walked away from all that money. I don’t see that happening at all. I wouldn't, seems to have alot of other interests and likes being in front of the camera. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, balln said: He doesn’t consistently win as a pass rusher. He has a bull rush. And then shoestring/ diving plays. I’m glad we have him. But he’s not the closer / finisher Von is. They actually work very well together. Groot needs a DE like Von Miller opposite him to be really effective against the passing game tho. Von was one of three players we couldn’t afford to lose. This one really hurts, but it’s rare anyone wins anything without overcoming adversity. It’s not going to be one player stepping up though, it’ll have to be everyone stepping up and pulling a little more weight. That all said, I can see Hughes back in Buffalo this season if released or next. That’s the kind of player we will need to help shore up DE while Von recovers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Rubes said: You seriously didn't just say that, did you? Josh is the one player we can't afford to lose. Von miller is a big loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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