Hines elite returning ability shined vs Browns

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

The guy looks so good with the ball in his hands.  Is he at all capable of playing the slot, or is that just not in his skillset?  Hard to imagine him being that big of a drop off from McKenzie as a route runner and he's clearly better than him in space. 

 

It's honestly pretty frustrating to see his talent being wasted.  What's interesting is that Colts fans had the same complaints about his usage in Indy.  So, what is it that the coaches see that we fans aren't picking up on?

Beane said he can play the slot for "a game" 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’m with ya.  Cook looking good. Extreme patience with the ball in his hands.  He glides out there.  While Hines explodes everywhere he goes. I love the possibilities of these two.  Hopefully Dorsey is putting some packages together for the stretch run.  
 

I’d be very happy with Duke as our RB3.  Considering our cap sitch going forward, we’re going to need good value contracts.  Solid, versatile pro that would also prevent us from using another draft pick on a RB.  
 

 

I actually like our running back situation now that Cook is looking more comfortable and Hines has been swapped in for Moss.  Yeah, no bruiser, but I suppose that is what Josh is for should we absolutely need 1 tough yard.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I actually like our running back situation now that Cook is looking more comfortable and Hines has been swapped in for Moss.  Yeah, no bruiser, but I suppose that is what Josh is for should we absolutely need 1 tough yard.

There is just an impatience around the lack of touches for Hines. 

 

3 games in, he's had the ball in his hands twice offensively. 

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

There is just an impatience around the lack of touches for Hines. 

 

3 games in, he's had the ball in his hands twice offensively. 

 

 

Josh threw a long pass to him down the left sideline against the Jets but he overthrew him. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Bandito said:

1 rush -8 yards. I'd prefer to not use him there.

Thanks for allowing us to see how ignorant you can be.  Dude has one carry in which the defense bumrushed the backfield….and you blame the RB.  Sheeesh.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Maybe an easy thing to do is just hand-off to Hines 3 times against the Lions and just see what that looks like. 

 

Just see what it looks like on offense with him on the ball. 

 

The purpose is start getting more hands on the football. 

[teef]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Thanks for allowing us to see how ignorant you can be.  Dude has one carry in which the defense bumrushed the backfield….and you blame the RB.  Sheeesh.  

[Since1981]

It took Davis a while to shine. I remember the Colts playoff toe-drag-swag-game and they still took forever(!) to figure it out. Beane grabbed Hines for his natural abilities. McClappy now has to figure out how to use the skill set properly. I’m never sure about Sean on the 53.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

It took Davis a while to shine. I remember the Colts playoff toe-drag-swag-game and they still took forever(!) to figure it out. Beane grabbed Hines for his natural abilities. McClappy now has to figure out how to use the skill set properly. I’m never sure about Sean on the 53.  

My worry with McDermott and Hines is he has seemingly claimed him for special teams, and now can Nyheim ever escape that?

 

Because this staff is strange with thinking that Special Teams is too taxing to play regular offense. 

[Dick_Cheney]

Really hoping we get to see him on the offense this week. If we don't, then Dorsey is highly, highly suspect.

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Really hoping we get to see him on the offense this week. If we don't, then Dorsey is highly, highly suspect.

Dorsey seems to me to be the main problem with this offence and probably with Josh. Based on his game plans and playcalls he looks in over his head. We will see if he can make adjustments now that teams have a better handle on how to defend the Bills O. There’s nothing surprising in having a mid season slump (its a long season and most teams have had or will have their ups and downs) but you’ve got to be able to respond. If Dorsey cant do that he needs to go. 

[LabattBlue]

If the only use of Hines is as a PR/KR, and less than 5 plays from scrimmage, it was a dumb move, and another sign that the GM and coaches are not on the same page. 

[DCofNC]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

I think the plan should be Cook as lead back in ‘23 after an off-season of S&C and pass pro training.   Then get with Hines and re-work that contract.  
 

Cook/Hines with a Duke Johnson type and mid/late round rookie to round out the room. 

Unless there is a BIG step up from Cook, there’s no way you can come to 2023 with him as the lead back.  He’s never shown the ability to run between the tackles on any level, he doesn’t have the size and doesn’t seem to have the vision for it either.  I’d look to re-up Motor or go get yourself a bell cow.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

42 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

If the only use of Hines is as a PR/KR, and less than 5 plays from scrimmage, it was a dumb move, and another sign that the GM and coaches are not on the same page. 

I agree with this. 

 

The Bills have won games, so they get the benefit of the doubt. 

 

But it really shouldn't be hard to plug in a veteran running back and get him touches if you were that excited about getting him. 

 

He's not taking snaps from Derrick Henry or something. 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Unless there is a BIG step up from Cook, there’s no way you can come to 2023 with him as the lead back.  He’s never shown the ability to run between the tackles on any level, he doesn’t have the size and doesn’t seem to have the vision for it either.  I’d look to re-up Motor or go get yourself a bell cow.

He looks to be running just fine between the tackles, and that’s before an off-season S&C program.  
 

Cook and Hines are perfect backs for our offense.  
 

Hardly anyone has a bell cow anymore, let alone teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Dolphins etc. 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by SCBills

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

His speed along the sideline on that one return was elite. 

Putting Hines and Cook on the field together could really cause some problems for defenses.....   SCREEN GAME PLEASE  

Absolutely.  More 2 back sets with all 3 guys instead of Gilliam on certain plays could add a deadly component to this O

 

I like Gilliam but any 2 of our RBs in the backfield is a huge play waiting to happen if executed correctly 

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He looks to be running just fine between the tackles, and that’s before an off-season S&C program.  
 

Cook and Hines are perfect backs for our offense.  
 

Hardly anyone has a bell cow anymore, let alone teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Dolphins etc. 

 

Idk. I'd really like to keep Motor on a 2-3 year deal. 

You have to factor in pass protection as well. I just don't think Cook is ready for that responsibility of RB1 and Hines has great potential in this O but he's the definition of a backup/change of pace back

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Really hoping we get to see him on the offense this week. If we don't, then Dorsey is highly, highly suspect.

I mean we have 7 games left til the post season.  I think they have a role for Hines on this O but it's going to take a bit more time to get the execution down as it looks like a very unique role

 

I'd give it another 2 weeks til we see 2 back sets with Hines. We knee he was a pass catching specialist when we got him . So it feels like teams know what's coming when he's in the game. A 2 back set could potentially be deadly for the opposition with Hines being 1 of them , as well as having the run threat from Motor or Cook.

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Maybe an easy thing to do is just hand-off to Hines 3 times against the Lions and just see what that looks like. 

 

Just see what it looks like on offense with him on the ball. 

 

The purpose is start getting more hands on the football. 

I think the O needs to dedicate 5+ plays for him in space. He's extremely effective in space. Not so much in between the tackles. But it's on Dorsey to scheme it up for this guy to make a few explosive plays a game 

[DCofNC]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He looks to be running just fine between the tackles, and that’s before an off-season S&C program.  
 

Cook and Hines are perfect backs for our offense.  
 

Hardly anyone has a bell cow anymore, let alone teams like the Bills, Chiefs, Dolphins etc. 

 

Real quick, how many yards does he have between the tackles? No go back to Georgia and look at the same thing.  

[SCBills]

35 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Real quick, how many yards does he have between the tackles? No go back to Georgia and look at the same thing.  

Do not care what he did at Georgia.   I live in Georgia.. I’ve seen him play quite a bit. 
 

He’ll be two years removed from that next year.   
 

Do we think rookies never evolve?

 

We’re likely not keeping both Singletary and Hines.   It would be criminal to draft one early, again.. unless somehow Bijan Robinson drops to us. 
 

Cook is the one guy we know will be here, and he looks just fine running inside and outside.  Put some muscle on him over the summer and have him practice pass pro.  I don’t really get what the problem is.  
 

If people want Singletary/Cook again next year.. fine.  I’d rather have Cook/Hines. 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, the Bills coaching staff (McDermott and Dorsey) and local media talk about using Cook and Hines more like its a science experiment, in which you need test tube procedure that is 97-steps long to get him involved. 

 

Balance, game flow, script, too much on their plate. 

 

And what we've found out is that simply handing the ball off to Cook works. 

 

The same should be true of Hines. The guy has caught 236 passes in his career. This shouldn't be an impossible ask to get him the ball 4 times a game. Once a quarter. 

 

But with McDermott is always some slow, phased-approach, this step-by-step chemical equation. 

 

My fear is Hines has been identified by McDermott as a special teamer, and he's like imprisoned there. He's supposed to be more than T. Jones Part II. 

 

 

Not a reasonable comparison. 

 

Cook was minimized for half a season or so. After training camp. Same as Singletary was rookie year. And Moss. After that first half a year or so they were allowed into more action. 

 

It's only after training camp and that first half of a year where you spend more time learning than playing that "handing the ball off to Cook works." He works after they did things the McDermott way. Before going through the usual McDermott rookie RB script, Cook had been inconsistent but OK. After, looks very good. Same as happened with Singletary.

 

Hines has been here three weeks. It'll come.

 

And it ain't like he's been Superman over the course of his career. He's got a career YPA of 4.0 and a career YPR of 7.3. I expect him to be good, but people here seem to expect huge returns. That would be lovely, but expecting it is premature.